Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[partridge]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

What a load of revisionist crap. It's clearly supposed to be the same ship Leia had at the beginning of Star Wars, otherwise why include it at all?

I agree, for me it's the Tantive IV but it does beg the question why would Alderaan royalty be using the same ship for, what, at leat 18 years?

And don't get me started on how long it took to complete the first Death Star (about the same time) so presumably work on the second can't have been too long after the end of Sith either.

It really doesn't matter, I can't get bogged down in these things, it's a fun movie series that fires my imagination and that's why I love it.

Please let their be a collectors edition of the full set inside a Vader helmet or some such.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

What I can't figure out is why there would be separate releases for these two trilogies. If George’s goal is to make everyone forget about the OT in it's original incarnation then why would he bother? Most of your hard core OT fans don’t like any changes at all, some like only effects changes and a general cleaning up of the prints and remastering. If he is intent on tying these two together and adding even more then why keep them separate? My guess is that anyone that loves the PT also likes the OT and wants them all to be one film watched in order. I believe that is what Lucas wants no?

OT fans are not getting what they want or even close to it and I don’t know many that would buy just the OT with all the PT actors/voices/ creatures etc. inserted into the OT. Seems to me Lucas is just trying to throw gasoline on the fire to stir things up. He should just say here are the six films in one package; this is the vision I had in 1977 and this is what I want and what you are going to get.

I just can't see the OT with all the changes to include PT stuff selling very much at all....

Just call me confused………

You are over analyzing it. It is about choice for the consumer. The 'Root of all Evil ' George Lucas realizes that he has three audiences to satisify. Some fans prefer one Trilogy over the other, and some like the whole saga. So instead of being forced to buy 3 films you will never watch, they split them up. Kind of like people who like the first 2 films of the Alien franchise wouldn't buy the whole 4 film set because the last two films (even though they do have merit) would be nothing but expensive coasters to them. It is giving you options and that is NEVER a bad thing.

Start Rant: This is what drives me insane about people saying Lucas disrespects his fans. He is still giving you the the choice to 'opt out' of either trilogy you don't like. Yes, he hasn't provided the original unaltered Trilogy yet, but he isn't necessarily ramming either trilogy down your throat. Also remember, a vast majority of the movie going public does not care about the alterations to the films. Just we film geeks and Star Wars nerds. Joe Public doesn't care. End Rant, thank ya...lol

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Jay444

Start Rant: This is what drives me insane about people saying Lucas disrespects his fans. He is still giving you the the choice to 'opt out' of either trilogy you don't like. Yes, he hasn't provided the original unaltered Trilogy yet, but he isn't necessarily ramming either trilogy down your throat. Also remember, a vast majority of the movie going public does not care about the alterations to the films. Just we film geeks and Star Wars nerds. Joe Public doesn't care. End Rant, thank ya...lol

I wish I got a dime everytime I said this, I could retire now

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Jay444

You are over analyzing it. It is about choice for the consumer. The 'Root of all Evil ' George Lucas realizes that he has three audiences to satisify. Some fans prefer one Trilogy over the other, and some like the whole saga. So instead of being forced to buy 3 films you will never watch, they split them up. Kind of like people who like the first 2 films of the Alien franchise wouldn't buy the whole 4 film set because the last two films (even though they do have merit) would be nothing but expensive coasters to them. It is giving you options and that is NEVER a bad thing.

Start Rant: This is what drives me insane about people saying Lucas disrespects his fans. He is still giving you the the choice to 'opt out' of either trilogy you don't like. Yes, he hasn't provided the original unaltered Trilogy yet, but he isn't necessarily ramming either trilogy down your throat. Also remember, a vast majority of the movie going public does not care about the alterations to the films. Just we film geeks and Star Wars nerds. Joe Public doesn't care. End Rant, thank ya...lol

But I think you are missing the point I am trying to make. Just how many people like the OT changes with PT stuff included and don't like the PT? I mean come on, if you like the PT stuff inserted then you like the PT. I am not taking sides here and I am not going into the old argument of what is and what isn't included. I am trying to get a grasp of the reasoning behind splitting up these trilogies. Lucas knows that most people that only love the OT are not going to want to see Gungans or Hayden Christensen in these films, so how many does he think he will sell? The only reason I could see is a money issue for the consumer..buy half now and half later? But by doing so you don't get all the extras. If you love these films the Saga box set is the only way to go.

[Blu Myers]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

What I can't figure out is why there would be separate releases for these two trilogies. If George’s goal is to make everyone forget about the OT in it's original incarnation then why would he bother? Most of your hard core OT fans don’t like any changes at all, some like only effects changes and a general cleaning up of the prints and remastering. If he is intent on tying these two together and adding even more then why keep them separate? My guess is that anyone that loves the PT also likes the OT and wants them all to be one film watched in order. I believe that is what Lucas wants no?

OT fans are not getting what they want or even close to it and I don’t know many if any that would buy just the OT with all the PT actors/voices/ creatures etc. inserted into the OT. Seems to me Lucas is just trying to throw gasoline on the fire to stir things up. He should just say here are the six films in one package; this is the vision I had in 1977 and this is what I want and what you are going to get.

I just can't see the OT with all the changes to include PT stuff selling very much at all....

Just call me confused………

$$$$$$$ It's all about the Benjamins my friend. $$$$$$$$

[Beast]

Glad to see that it's likely the individual releases will only have the movie discs.

Three Bonus Discs for the Complete Saga boxset really make it the best deal for everyone.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Beast

Glad to see that it's likely the individual releases will only have the movie discs.

Three Bonus Discs for the Complete Saga boxset really make it the best deal for everyone.

While I'm getting the complete saga set either way, I really don't see any reason to be 'glad' that the trilogy releases will be movie-only. I honestly think that is sucks for those who only want one of the trilogies and maybe the bonus disc specific to it. Maybe they don't care about the documentaries, etc.

I don't understand why you are always so 'glad' about things that (1) don't effect you either way, since you are likely buying the complete saga set regardless of whether the individual releases are 3 or 4 discs, and (2) have a negative effect on others who don't necessarily want the whole set.

[fgomike]

Originally Posted by Uxi

Beginning of TPM: hit the ground running... slows down a bit from leaving Naboo until coming back for the Duel of the Fates. Jedi chopping down droids, etc is great but nothing else compares to the Duel of the Fates, which is the signature moment of TPM.

AOTC: Mace Windu putting the lightsaber to Jango throat's for some dialogue with Dooku through the battle scene and Wizard Duel and all that.

ROTS: Order 66. The Obi/Ani Duel should have surpassed the Duel of the Fates, but was a bit of a let down to me personally. The movie is packed with good stuff but ends on a bit of a disappointing thud.

ANH: bit of a yawner in retrospect, but the space battle of Yavin, especially with the SE footage

TESB: Definitely Luke vs Vader on Cloud City

RotJ: Death Star 2 Duel and Battle of Endor

Finally! A post I can relate to -

TPM - Have to agree with the final battle. When the doors open and Maul appears. Got the biggest reaction at the theater.

AOTC - The Kamino battle between Jango and Obi Wan as well as the arena battle. Thank God Lucas never put in the NSYNC boys like he was going to.

ROS - The opening space battle right up to the point where they land in the big droid ship. Obi Wan confronts Padme. And of course the epic lightsaber battle. Now only if Anakin would have force thrown Padme when he choked her...

ANH - The opening.

ESB - Hoth, Carbon Freezing, Vader confronts Luke

ROJ - Vader, Luke and the Emperor. The Sarlaac Pit battle.

All should look glorious in Blu

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

While I'm getting the complete saga set either way, I really don't see any reason to be 'glad' that the trilogy releases will be movie-only. I honestly think that is sucks for those who only want one of the trilogies and maybe the bonus disc specific to it. Maybe they don't care about the documentaries, etc.

I don't understand why you are always so 'glad' about things that (1) don't effect you either way, since you are likely buying the complete saga set regardless of whether the individual releases are 3 or 4 discs, and (2) have a negative effect on others who don't necessarily want the whole set.

Yeah I am not sure why anyone would be glad about things that they are not buying anyway. Seems kinda strange....Maybe because some want people to love the complete saga at all cost? Although I contend that if you love all the changes to the OT (talking about the PT stuff inserted) then you love the PT anyway. Call me crazy....

[blonde_devil]

Originally Posted by Imrahil2001

What a load of revisionist crap. It's clearly supposed to be the same ship Leia had at the beginning of Star Wars, otherwise why include it at all?

agreed but what can you do? next thing you know, we will find out that Luke's aunt and uncle moved so the home in the original trilogy is not the same one as in Clone/Sith (did anyone see a grave beside it in the original trilogy...)

anyone hear of any other merchandise that is coming out when the blurays come out? I would think they would want to take full advantage and release new things (like force fx lightsabers to stores here in Canada).

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

But I think you are missing the point I am trying to make. Just how many people like the OT changes with PT stuff included and don't like the PT? I mean come on, if you like the PT stuff inserted then you like the PT. I am not taking sides here and I am not going into the old argument of what is and what isn't included. I am trying to get a grasp of the reasoning behind splitting up these trilogies. Lucas knows that most people that only love the OT are not going to want to see Gungans or Hayden Christensen in these films, so how many does he think he will sell? The only reason I could see is a money issue for the consumer..buy half now and half later? But by doing so you don't get all the extras. If you love these films the Saga box set is the only way to go.

You are missing the point that the general public doesn't care about the changes but STILL may prefer one trilogy over the other. You can't lump everyone together and say: 'If one likes the changes to the Battle fo Yavin in ANH that this same person must then LOVE Attack of the Clones by default." It doesn't work that way, as there are many on this forum that will tell you: "I didn't mind some of the changes, but I hate the PT." Or vice versa.

Additionally, the general public will look at the changes as 'exciting' and as a bonus to make old films new (i.e. My Dad likes looking for new things to see if he can pick them out). Several of my friends are going to only buy the OT because none of them enjoy the PT. Most of them don't care about 'extras' so the Saga is useless to them. Yes, they realize there are alterations in the OT set that is being offered, but it is not a deal breaker by any stretch of the imagination.

If you want the UOT then your best bet is to wait. There are several who will love to tell you "THAT will never happen! Lucas says this blah blah blah..." because they get off on that sort of thing. I will never understand people who like to see others not enjoy themselves. Its pathetic. But the fact remains the UOT has appeared on every popular video format. Was the quality the last time up to snuff? No, it was a wretched release. Chances are when they release it again, it will be taken care of this time around.

If you would like to make your voice heard, go right to the source:

http://www.lucasfilm.com/inside/faq/

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

While I'm getting the complete saga set either way, I really don't see any reason to be 'glad' that the trilogy releases will be movie-only. I honestly think that is sucks for those who only want one of the trilogies and maybe the bonus disc specific to it. Maybe they don't care about the documentaries, etc.

I don't understand why you are always so 'glad' about things that (1) don't effect you either way, since you are likely buying the complete saga set regardless of whether the individual releases are 3 or 4 discs, and (2) have a negative effect on others who don't necessarily want the whole set.

It doesn't suck. It's rewarding people who buy the Complete Saga boxset.

Just like the Alien Anthology set rewarded people who bought that, over waiting for the individual releases.

Getting one exclusive bonus disc for buying the CS set was great. Getting three is just incredible.

It makes sense that the individual trilogy sets are focused on the movies only, without the bonus discs.

It's giving people that don't care about extras the option of getting just the movies. So it's a win win for everyone.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Beast

It doesn't suck. It's rewarding people who buy the Complete Saga boxset.

Just like the Alien Anthology set rewarded people who bought that, over waiting for the individual releases.

Getting one exclusive bonus disc for buying the CS set was great. Getting three is just incredible.

It makes sense that the individual trilogy sets are focused on the movies only, without the bonus discs.

It's giving people that don't care about extras the option of getting just the movies. So it's a win win for everyone.

It would only be a win-win if the lack of a bonus disc in the individual trilogy sets came at a drop in the cost.

We already knew that the individual sets (based on the Amazon pricing) were $45 each with the complete saga being $90.

The only thing that was 'up in the air' due to conflicting information was whether or not the individual trilogies contained a 4th disc. And now that we pretty much know that they won't (but will still cost the same price), it hardly comes across as being a good thing.

So, it's not a win-win in that sense. Perhaps for some people shelling out for the full set at once is a lot of money, and they'd rather buy the individual trilogies at different times. And they wouldn't mind losing just one disc (the documentaries) in the process, but don't want to miss out on all of the extras. Now they are stuck.

But, you consider this a win-win.


The Alien Anthology was a completely different situation. The individual releases came out later on, were actually released individually (as opposed to being smaller sets that still contained several movies), and to my knowledge were never toted (imlpicitly or explicitly) as still containing the extras that were exclusive to the set.


The difference is in the presentation and the order in which the information was announced/confirmed. We knew the separate trilogies were coming, and we knew the price points on them. What we didn't know was the number of discs. And now that the number is fewer, you are declaring this as being a wonderful win-win scenario.

Only in your head, Beast. Only in your head.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Beast

It doesn't suck. It's rewarding people who buy the Complete Saga boxset.

Just like the Alien Anthology set rewarded people who bought that, over waiting for the individual releases.

Getting one exclusive bonus disc for buying the CS set was great. Getting three is just incredible.

It makes sense that the individual trilogy sets are focused on the movies only, without the bonus discs.

It's giving people that don't care about extras the option of getting just the movies. So it's a win win for everyone.

I don't think I would call this a 'win' for everyone. While I see your point that the individual sets should stay focused on the movies, I disagree with calling this a winning situation for all involved.

It should never be called a 'win' for a consumer if one is technically paying the same amount for something as someone else and getting less. 45/3 = 15, 90/6 = 15. See my point? The price should be dropped accordingly. Especially with all the erroneous info that has been out there from the start (several assumed 4 discs for each of the trilogies, and 9 for the Saga).

I also look at it from another P.O.V., you are getting three bonus discs on the complete saga as a way to make up for that FUGLY cover art...lol... Just playin'

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Jay444

You are missing the point that the general public doesn't care about the changes but STILL may prefer one trilogy over the other. You can't lump everyone together and say: 'If one likes the changes to the Battle fo Yavin in ANH that this same person must then LOVE Attack of the Clones by default." It doesn't work that way, as there are many on this forum that will tell you: "I didn't mind some of the changes, but I hate the PT." Or vice versa.

Additionally, the general public will look at the changes as 'exciting' and as a bonus to make old films new (i.e. My Dad likes looking for new things to see if he can pick them out). Several of my friends are going to only buy the OT because none of them enjoy the PT. Most of them don't care about 'extras' so the Saga is useless to them. Yes, they realize there are alterations in the OT set that is being offered, but it is not a deal breaker by any stretch of the imagination.

If you want the UOT then your best bet is to wait. There are several who will love to tell you "THAT will never happen! Lucas says this blah blah blah..." because they get off on that sort of thing. I will never understand people who like to see others not enjoy themselves. Its pathetic. But the fact remains the UOT has appeared on every popular video format. Was the quality the last time up to snuff? No, it was a wretched release. Chances are when they release it again, it will be taken care of this time around.

If you would like to make your voice heard, go right to the source:

http://www.lucasfilm.com/inside/faq/

Why did you turn this converstation into I don't like the changes. I never said I didnt like the changes or what versions I would buy. I asked a question and it still has not been properly answered.

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Beast

It doesn't suck. It's rewarding people who buy the Complete Saga boxset.

Just like the Alien Anthology set rewarded people who bought that, over waiting for the individual releases.

Getting one exclusive bonus disc for buying the CS set was great. Getting three is just incredible.

It makes sense that the individual trilogy sets are focused on the movies only, without the bonus discs.

It's giving people that don't care about extras the option of getting just the movies. So it's a win win for everyone.

ahhh but maybe they want the extras from the first three films only....stands to reason does it not?

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by Jay444

you are getting three bonus discs on the complete saga as a way to make up for that FUGLY cover art...lol... Just playin'

I think i would really need 87 bonus disks to make up.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by Beast

It doesn't suck. It's rewarding people who buy the Complete Saga boxset.

Just like the Alien Anthology set rewarded people who bought that, over waiting for the individual releases.

Getting one exclusive bonus disc for buying the CS set was great. Getting three is just incredible.

It makes sense that the individual trilogy sets are focused on the movies only, without the bonus discs.

It's giving people that don't care about extras the option of getting just the movies. So it's a win win for everyone.

Agreed for the most part. The catch with the Alien Anthology was that many of us did want to wait for the single releases since many of us HATE Alien 3 & 4. However, when the UK set was available for cheap money - as in *about* the same cost as two individual releases then we jumped on it just for that. I sure did. Now, Alien and Aliens can be had for $15 each so our cost theory got slightly thrown out.... but, we did get the great extras AND we got to watch them several months before those who waited the single discs out so thats worth something, IMO. Plus, there is a chance you can sell 3 and 4 even if just for a few bucks.

Maybe the UK Star Wars set will be cheap enough for us USA buyers so those that dont want the whole set will get it anyways for the same reasons?

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Why did you turn this converstation into I don't like the changes. I never said I didnt like the changes or what versions I would buy. I asked a question and it still has not been properly answered.

The answer was quite simply: Some people prefer one trilogy over the other and perhaps would not feel it necessary to own all six movies. It is offering the consumer a choice (I answered this for you a while ago).

Further, you may want to go back to re-reading your own inquiry. You seem to think/spend time discussing that the changes made to the OT would be a deterrant to OT fans from purchasing it. Perhaps you should have stated UOT fans and not OT fans. As an OT fan, I am getting what I want which is the OT on blu ray.

"....OT fans are not getting what they want or even close to it and I don’t know many if any that would buy just the OT with all the PT actors/voices/ creatures etc. inserted into the OT. Seems to me Lucas is just trying to throw gasoline on the fire to stir things up. He should just say here are the six films in one package; this is the vision I had in 1977...."

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by Jay444

The answer was quite simply: Some people prefer one trilogy over the other and perhaps would not feel it necessary to own all six movies. It is offering the consumer a choice (I answered this for you a while ago).

Further, you may want to go back to re-reading your own inquiry. You seem to think/spend time discussing that the changes made to the OT would be a deterrant to OT fans from purchasing it. Perhaps you should have stated UOT fans and not OT fans. As an OT fan, I am getting what I want which is the OT on blu ray.

"....OT fans are not getting what they want or even close to it and I don’t know many if any that would buy just the OT with all the PT actors/voices/ creatures etc. inserted into the OT. Seems to me Lucas is just trying to throw gasoline on the fire to stir things up. He should just say here are the six films in one package; this is the vision I had in 1977...."

Yes I stand corrected I should have said UOT. But personally I have never met anyone who liked the OT with the PT insertions that did not like the PT trilogy. I understand that there are people who love the OT with just the special effects changes etc. But never have I met someone that liked changes of things like Hayden in ROTJ, Fetts voice change et etc that ties the first with the second that didnt like the prequels. With those insertions wouldnt you just be getting half a movie?


If there is anyone here reading this that fits that description please post. I am curious.