Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[georgec]

I'm hoping for more detailed specs on the video transfers in the next month or so.

[kenkraly2004]

I hope come next month we get details on the specs of the video transfer , the sound mixes for all the films and what changes have been made , the details of the deleted scenes and also the details of the content on disc 7 and 8 of the star wars archives content. Hopefully by comic-con next month we will get some more info on the blu-ray box set.

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

That's not entirely true. If Lucasfilm has decided they are part of the "canon," then they definitely do "count."

Not according to George Lucas...

"I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions." ―George Lucas, from an interview in Starlog #337

As far as I am concerned, and the vast majority of Star Wars fans are concerned, the EU doesn't exist. If it isn't in the films it doesn't exist. A film evidenced explanation ALWAYS trumps any EU explanation. If you need the EU to explain something in the films, there is no "official" explanation only one proposed by the EU which is no more correct than other conjecture supported by the films. Ask the casual Star Wars fan who Admiral Thrawn is and you will be met with a blank stare. The EU exists purely for the die hard fans and thank God Lucas has done a sufficient job of preventing it from seeping too much in the films.

[The Apocalypse]

Still wondering why they're going for DTS-HD MA 6.1 and not 7.1. 6.1 isn't that common.

[Deromax]

This thread has passed the 15 000 posts mark and we're only about half way to the actual release date!

[The Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by Deromax

This thread has passed the 15 000 posts mark and we're only about half way to the actual release date!

Not all that surprising really. One of the most anticipated Blu-ray releases ever. 1,000 pages or more by the time it's released?

[Breather]

Originally Posted by bboisvert

You're buying into the retroactive history that Lucas created. It's flat-out not true.

Lucas did NOT plan out some grand saga about Vader's redemption years in advance. As late as 1979, Vader and Anakin were still two separate characters. This is a fantastic read, for anyone interested in how the story actually developed:
http://www.amazon.com/Secret-History.../dp/0978465237

You're right. GL had two ideas for Vader. One as Anakin's killer and one as Anakin himself. He didn't make the decision to go with Vader as father until after SW(ANH) was released. I remember him mentioning long ago that he didn't plan for Vader to get so big with the public. Today we're told the saga was supposedly about him all along and yet GL didn't decide on him as Luke's father until after the release of the fourth episode...

For me, the above explains a lot of the so-called "lies" that Ben told Luke at the hut and the fact that Vader seemed subservient to Tarkin in the first film. Obi-Wan wasn't telling lies at the time the film was made. GL just wrote the scene in a very clever way to cover his rear both ways. It was actually some very smart writing on GL's part. The hut scene and its dialogue could make sense no matter what decision he later made on Luke's parentage. If he went with Vader as Anakin's killer, it was the truth. If he went with Vader as Anakin, which he later did, it could later be explained as lies by Obi-Wan to manipulate Luke, as it eventually was. Obviously, the angle he finally decided on for ESB necessitated the "from a certain point of view" speech in ROTJ.

Yoda is another example. GL originally planned for Obi-Wan to train Luke. Late in script revisions for SW(ANH), he decided to kill off Obi-Wan. This necessitated the creation of a new trainer/mentor-Yoda. Today we're told that the six-film saga was planned in advance and Yoda was Jedi leader from the beginning. Yet in old interviews, GL states that he didn't create Yoda until after SW(ANH) as a replacement for the dead Obi-Wan.

Here's one source for the above-mentioned facts. The 4th OT "making-of" doc mysteriously being left off the new BD set:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaMWTDwogbo

Watch the GL interviews. He states all of this about the timing of the decision on Luke's parentage and when the idea of Yoda was created. Originally, I was stumped as to why we were getting 3 of the 4 original "making-of" documentaries for the OT, yet the 4th was inexplicably being left off in favor of almost 4 hours of spoofs, fans in stormtrooper outfits, and Star Wars Tech. My memory of this doc had faded until a few weeks ago. I think the reason for its conspicuous absence is quite clear. Yesterday's GL contradicts today's GL.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

Not according to George Lucas...

"I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions." ―George Lucas, from an interview in Starlog #337

As far as I am concerned, and the vast majority of Star Wars fans are concerned, the EU doesn't exist. If it isn't in the films it doesn't exist. A film evidenced explanation ALWAYS trumps any EU explanation. If you need the EU to explain something in the films, there is no "official" explanation only one proposed by the EU which is no more correct than other conjecture supported by the films. Ask the casual Star Wars fan who Admiral Thrawn is and you will be met with a blank stare. The EU exists purely for the die hard fans and thank God Lucas has done a sufficient job of preventing it from seeping too much in the films.

I am only crazy about the movies, and couldn't care less about the books and what have you.

Even my friends are super psyched about this release!!!

It's going to be EPIC!!!

I hope the documentaries of the PT will be included in HD. They surely were shot in HD, right?

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

I hope the documentaries of the PT will be included in HD. They surely were shot in HD, right?

I think if they were shot in HD then we would have had them comfirmed with the other extras to put our fears to rest. I'm not sure they'll make it but will be very pleased if the do and are in HD. Maybe there's a shot somewhere of the crew making the documentaries with a HD camera?

[greg_achen]

Originally Posted by Breather

Watch the GL interviews. He states all of this about the timing of the decision on Luke's parentage and when the idea of Yoda was created. Originally, I was stumped as to why we were getting 3 of the 4 original "making-of" documentaries for the OT, yet the 4th was inexplicably being left off in favor of almost 4 hours of spoofs, fans in stormtrooper outfits, and Star Wars Tech. My memory of this doc had faded until a few weeks ago. I think the reason for its conspicuous absence is quite clear. Yesterday's GL contradicts today's GL.

What's funny is that it's not as glaring an inconsistency as he probably thinks. He states that Vader being Luke's father was always a part of the original story but that he wasn't sure if he was actually going to go through with it till Empire. That makes a lot more sense and is refreshing to hear as opposed to the rewrites of history him and some of his most ardent fans like to do.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by chip75

I think if they were shot in HD then we would have had them comfirmed with the other extras to put our fears to rest. I'm not sure they'll make it but will be very pleased if the do and are in HD. Maybe there's a shot somewhere of the crew making the documentaries with a HD camera?

I don't know about that. They didn't even bother to mention that it was a lossless audio track, and all the info was kept pretty general.
No word about the fixed soundtrack or lightsaber color inconsistencies...., so I don't think that this is any indication of what we can expect.
They like to keep us in the dark for now....

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by georgec

I posted one slightly controversial but completely harmless video last week and now I'm blacklisted from posting anything in this discussion. Do I have to make a new login? Or will the mods track my IP and continue to delete my posts?

Originally Posted by shelldweller

The same thing happened to me... basically all I said is that I respect George Lucas and really like his movies. The post was erased also. There doesn´t seem to be any consistency to it.

i find you lack of faith disturbing


https://forum.blu-ray.com/movies/172...ml#post4794582

https://forum.blu-ray.com/search.php?searchid=5972899

Originally Posted by stevo4264

Power goes to thier heads, same as any moderated group, well in my experience anyway, don't take it personally is my advice, either live with it or go to a Newsgroup rather than a bulletin board such as this.

For a few weeks more that 60% of posts were offtopic and endless bickering and people who wanted to find info would complain of not being able to find posts about it, lost in between the non-stop decades-long Star Wars fan-factions endless (and i mean endless) back and forth. Whern mods have to spend everyday one of two hours reading every post and moving 2 or 3 pages of out off-topic discussions to the appropiate forums, action is taken.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

That's not entirely true. If Lucasfilm has decided they are part of the "canon," then they definitely do "count."

Actually, according to Lucasfilm, there are five levels of Star Wars canon :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_wars_canon

It's quite interesting to read, and the links on that page especially.

The EU is "C-canon", which is third tier.

[Duffy12]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

Actually, according to Lucasfilm, there are five levels of Star Wars canon :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_wars_canon

It's quite interesting to read, and the links on that page especially.

The EU is "C-canon", which is third tier.

LOL

Good find.


I have to wonder where 'The Star Wars Holiday Special' belongs?


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[gettodamoofies]

Originally Posted by Duffy12

I have to wonder were 'The Star Wars Holiday Special' belongs?

F-Canon. F as in fired into a trash compactor with a cannon.

[miniroll32]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

word about the fixed soundtrack or lightsaber color inconsistencies....

Of course not, because LucasFilm aren't going to 'admit' that they made mistakes in the last release - they would rather conjure up excuses. As I said earlier, don't take the Blu-Ray trailer for granted that this is how the films will look, because more than likely, they simply took footage from the existing 1080p sources.

[The Apocalypse]

The release of Star Wars on Blu-ray will be a day long remembered. Might take me a few days to get through it all...

[siso]

Originally Posted by miniroll32

Of course not, because LucasFilm aren't going to 'admit' that they made mistakes in the last release - they would rather conjure up excuses. As I said earlier, don't take the Blu-Ray trailer for granted that this is how the films will look, because more than likely, they simply took footage from the existing 1080p sources.

If LucasFilm won't fix their mistakes the fans will

[Mavrick]

G.L Is too busy at the Canadian GP to worry about this set right now

[Breather]

Originally Posted by greg_achen

What's funny is that it's not as glaring an inconsistency as he probably thinks. He states that Vader being Luke's father was always a part of the original story but that he wasn't sure if he was actually going to go through with it till Empire. That makes a lot more sense and is refreshing to hear as opposed to the rewrites of history him and some of his most ardent fans like to do.

Agreed.

In the interview, just after the 57:00 mark, he mentions how and when he came up with what sets off Luke to go after Vader under the stairs in the throne room. Lucas mentions that he hadn't been able to come up with an idea of what sets Luke off to resume the duel with Vader. He had left the script vague since he didn't know what to use. He then states that he came up with the idea of Vader mentioning Leia being converted to the dark side when Richard Marquand was blocking out the scene and asked him about it!

There's nothing wrong with that. Many filmmakers are revising the script and adding and subtracting things right up to and even during shooting. I don't know why he's so different today and wants to pretend the six films and their details were his grand vision all along. If asked today about Vader's remark concerning turning Leia, he would likely say that it was his original intent all along, even when the video proves otherwise.


Who knows? Maybe he's really holding back "From Star Wars to Jedi" and "Empire of Dreams" so they can be included with the restored UOT on the 35th Anniversary Star Wars Trilogy set, coming out on BD in May of 2012...