Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

The Boxset features the completed versions of all movies which will debut on Blu-Ray. No temporary versions will be released. This is intended by the filmmaker to only present the best audio/video performance available.

20 Years is not quite what I would call temporary. In fact I would say that its a whole generation....

So theyre WILL be the theatricals? Which version includes the theatricals? Can someone send me the amazon link or something. I'm just confused as to which one contains the theatrical cuts for some reason :P

No the UOT will not be included in this set as far as we know. If you are looking for the UOT I believe it will be released at some point.

[Jimmy Bro]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

The Boxset features the completed versions of all movies which will debut on Blu-Ray. No temporary versions will be released. This is intended by the filmmaker to only present the best audio/video performance available.

Um, what?

[Jimmy Bro]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

No the UOT will not be included in this set as far as we know. If you are looking for the UOT I believe it will be released at some point.

Damn. Then why does the person who made the poll seem to think so?

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Bro

Damn. Then why does the person who made the poll seem to think so?

This thread was started "a long time ago" ... at that point it wasn´t confirmed which versions will be included. That´s why the theatricals still show up in the poll.

[Jimmy Bro]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

This thread was started "a long time ago" ... at that point it wasn´t confirmed which versions will be included. That´s why the theatricals still show up in the poll.

Oh ok

[The Apocalypse]

It's a fair point to ask about the UOT, but I think every major news outlet, from the press release, states that the UOT will not be included.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Ever so wrong. For ANY film to make $300 million domestic, even these days, there *has* to be repeat business, especially in 2002.

Empire made $100 million less (and cost 3 times as much) than Star Wars. A failure?

LOTR: TTT made "only" $349 million domestic, despite the critical and fanboy gushing and praise I guess that's a failure too since it's only $39 million more than Clones.

Empire only cost twice as much as ANH. You also can't compare how successful the prequels were compared to the OT without first adjusting the figures for the increase in ticket sales over the years. The lists that rate the films in order of box office sales, without first adjusting for inflation are junk and can't be used as an indication of how well a film did compared to one that was released over 20 years previous. The prequels were less successful compared to the originals , especially when you factor in their high bdget, as can be seen here:
http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm?p=.htm
You can also check out estimated number of tickets purchased here too. And the final two prequels are way down the list

#2 Star Wars
#12 Empire Strikes Back
#15 Return of the Jedi
#20 The Phantom Menace
#58 Revenge of the Sith
#85 Attack of the Clowns

the backlash for the prequels had nothing to do with the internet either. Not many people i knew had the internet back in 1999. A group of us went to see TPM on its first day of release here and we all came out of the cinema disappointed. You could also see the reactions of the rest of the audience as we came out also. It was the first time i had ever gone to see a Star Wars movie that people actually started to walk out of the cinema before the movie finished, many half way through. I went to see it again a few days later because i was taking my kids this time. I had hoped that my initial reaction was just down to the fact that i had built it up to be something it possible couldn't have lived up to. Maybe this time i could just sit back and enjoy it with my kids. But no, it was still a crappy movie.

Now Attack of the clones we went to see at the midnight showing, with my kids. We actually enjoyed this one somewhat, although it wasn't a film i could have watched multiple times. Now Revenge of the Sith on the other hand bored us to death. Now this time 2 out of my 3 kids fell asleep because they were so bored and this was an afternoon showing. My kids loved Star Wars up until this point. The prequels killed that. My eldest still loves the original trilogy but the other two just fell out of love with it. And it had nothing to do with them growing up before anyone decides to try and come up with that rubbish. The day before we went to see ROTS we had a Star Wars marathon and watched the original trilogy and they loved it still. But they asked that i not put on the prequels apart from AOTC. So their age had nothing to do with it.

If the special features were on the separate trilogy discs, instead of only on the complete set, i would bet that the sales of the original trilogy would out way those of the prequels. The complete saga box set will sell well because of this and will have nothing to do with people preferring the saga as 6 films. It will be interesting to see how the individual sets compare in sales to each other. Which trilogy will come out on top? I doubt it would be the prequels

[adywan]

If the special features were on the separate trilogy discs, instead of only on the complete set, i would bet that the sales of the original trilogy would out way those of the prequels. The complete saga box set will sell well because of this and will have nothing to do with people preferring the saga as 6 films. It will be interesting to see how the individual sets compare in sales to each other. Which trilogy will come out on top? I doubt it would be the prequels

[The Apocalypse]

Well we won't know how well the sets sell until well after release. I'm getting The Complete Saga and that's that.

[Jimmy Bro]

Oh well, it includes the 1997 versions though right?

I guess at least we have that then, since the main thing that bothers me about the SE's is that they replaced Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christensen in ROTJ. I have nothing against Hayden, I loved him in the prequels, but it's just a disgrace to the original actor to be replaced with someone who has absolutely no business in the originals.

The improved special effects and stuff doesn't really bother me too much. I don't really care "who shot first". Although it would be nice to see how some of the effects used to be.

As long as they include the versions without the ROTJ actor swap then I suppose that's good enough.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Bro

Oh well, it includes the 1997 versions though right?

No, just the latest altered versions. Hayden will still be in ROTJ, unless George has seen the error in including him, which is unlikely

[The Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Bro

Oh well, it includes the 1997 versions though right?

I guess at least we have that then, since the main thing that bothers me about the SE's is that they replaced Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christensen. I have nothing against Hayden, I loved him in the prequels, but it's just a disgrace to the original actor to be replaced with someone who has no absolutely business in the originals. Lucas is a moron

The improved special effects and stuff doesn't really bother me. I hardly have any interest in "who shot 1st".

As long as they include the Hayden free versions then I suppose that's good enough.

Except that they won't. It's based on the 2004 DVD versions with even more enhancements being done for the Blu-ray release. Hayden will be there. Lucas did what he felt was right, and we can't do anything about it.

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by adywan

No, just the latest altered versions. Hayden will still be in ROTJ, unless George has seen the error in including him, which is unlikely

You know, Inserting Hayden Christensen into ROTJ as the spirit of Anakin was done on purpose... it wasn´t an error or mistake or something.

[starwarsagent]

Originally Posted by adywan

No, just the latest altered versions. Hayden will still be in ROTJ, unless George has seen the error in including him, which is unlikely

Hayden is the younger version of Anakin Skywalker..thats why Lucas made the prequels to show us a younger version of him. Peter shaw was at the end of ROTJ before Lucas thought up of the idea of making prequels. Thats what Anakin looks as an old man, he looks like Hayden when he's a young man. Why would that be a mistake?

was it a mistake to use Ewan McGregor as a young Obi wan kenobi you think..?

[adywan]

Originally Posted by starwarsagent

Hayden is the younger version of Anakin Skywalker..thats why Lucas made the prequels to show us a younger version of him. Peter shaw was at the end of ROTJ before Lucas thought up of the idea of making prequels. Thats what Anakin looks as an old man, he looks like Hayden when he's a young man. Why would that be a mistake?

was it a mistake to use Ewan McGregor as a young Obi wan kenobi you think..?

Now i know that you have no clue what the hell you are talking about. Who the hell is Peter Shaw?

So he places young Anakin at the end to shove the prequels down fans of the OT. There is no escaping them now. But he truly screwed up. Not only had Anakin already started down the path of the dark Side BEFORE ROTS so if this truly was to indicate that Anakin returned to the good Anakin he wouldn't have had the long hair, but they just replaced the head only and he was wearing robes that he never ever wore ( which was also a mistake made in ROTJ. Obi-Wan wasn't wearing jedi robes in ANH. He was wearing Native tatooine robes. Was Owen a jedi too?) And this mistake was carried through to the prequels too.

[siso]

Originally Posted by adywan

No, just the latest altered versions. Hayden will still be in ROTJ, unless George has seen the error in including him, which is unlikely

Super sadness...

[Cowboy]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

You know, Inserting Hayden Christensen into ROTJ as the spirit of Anakin was done on purpose... it wasn´t an error or mistake or something.

Yes but you know what the topping on the cake is....he couldnt even do that right. Watch how his head comes up and then looks away. It's not natural at all. It loks like a shot that was reversed from earlier in ROTS.

Hayden is the younger version of Anakin Skywalker..thats why Lucas made the prequels to show us a younger version of him. Peter shaw was at the end of ROTJ before Lucas thought up of the idea of making prequels. Thats what Anakin looks as an old man, he looks like Hayden when he's a young man. Why would that be a mistake?
was it a mistake to use Ewan McGregor as a young Obi wan kenobi you think..?

So why didn't he replace Sir Alec Guinness? Maybe because he was a big star? Maybe because SAG would have said something? I mean Luke had no idea what his father looked like when he was a young man. Did he keep a picture in his wallet? We will just never know.

Lucas making the PT was not the mistake. Lucas made two major mistakes in my mind. These are my views only and I am in no way speaking for anyone else.

1. He should have gone back and at least watched the OT before making the PT and then fit the PT stories around the OT, not vice versa. Changing actors, voices and adding complete scenes to films that were considered masterpieces LONG before he even dreamed up the prequels was just flat out revisionism at it finest. (See his own quote below)

2. He should have hired writers to write the scripts for the PT (especially Clones and Sith) because those two films are filled with terrible lines and plot holes.

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

Yes but you know what the topping on the cake is....he couldnt even do that right. Watch how his head comes up and then looks away. It's not natural at all. It loks like a shot that was reversed from earlier in ROTS.

I don´t rule out the possibility that that shot will be changed in some way. Maybe Anakin could wear his Jedi robes he wore in RotS or something. But to have the actor who actually played Anakin in the scene won´t be changed.

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

So why didn't he replace Sir Alec Guinness? Maybe because he was a big star? Maybe because SAG would have said something? I mean Luke had no idea what his father looked like when he was young at all! He keep a picture in his wallet?

What the ...? Why would you replace Obi Wan? He died as an old man in "a new hope". It is pretty important that the audience immediately gets who the third ghost is. Why not have the actor who portrayed Anakin appear as his spirit?

[adywan]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

What the ...? Why would you replace Obi Wan? He died as an old man in "a new hope". It is pretty important that the audience immediately gets who the third ghost is. Why not have the actor who portrayed Anakin appear as his spirit?

Well the audience immediately got who the third ghost was for 21 years. Did audiences suddenly become too thick to realise this in 2004?