Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Marketing!

So does LOTR, T2 Skynet, and the first two Ultimate Editions of Harry Potter. But they are 5.1 ES Matrix.

5.1 ES which has a 6.1 output from a matrixed center-surround channel. All the Star Wars films have been released in Dolby Digital Surround EX. It's better marketing-speak when you say "6.1" but it's really 5.1 EX/ES. The PS3 will display "6.1" for these soundtracks too, but put the disc in any BD player or bitstream to any receiver that has "DTS Essentials" (which are most BD players out there) and you'll see plain 5.1. There are very, very few true 6.1 encodes out there, like X-MEN: The Last Stand (and Essentials decoders will actually decode these as 6.1).

Pixar/Disney does the opposite: they will advertise 5.1 but a lot of their discs are actually 5.1 ES like Bolt, The Incredibles, and the Toy Story BDs.

What is the difference to regular 5.1? ...or else what does "matrixed" mean?

Edit:
OK nevermind, I got it.

[cinemaphile]

What is this "Star Wars" movie you speak of?

[Brightstar]

Originally Posted by cinemaphile

What is this "Star Wars" movie you speak of?

Its about munks who hold shiny sticks and then they fight

[Rocket Man]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

I love the artwork, and think it should be made available as a print.

[blonde_devil]

you know, it is funny - been away for over a week and nothing has changed, people still whining about him not releasing the original versions. accept it and move on - he has no interest in the original versions anymore and if they ever do hit bluray, it is just going to be the same version as we already have on vhs/dvd. just accept it.

[Aquel]

Originally Posted by EclipseSSD

What about those of us who are frustrated and can understand others' frustration that the UOT is not being released, but are also pleased with this release nonetheless? What are we to Star Wars?

I know what we are to this topic: ignored

[The Apocalypse]

Originally Posted by Aquel

I know what we are to this topic: ignored

Are we that rare?

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by blonde_devil

you know, it is funny - been away for over a week and nothing has changed, people still whining about him not releasing the original versions. accept it and move on - he has no interest in the original versions anymore and if they ever do hit bluray, it is just going to be the same version as we already have on vhs/dvd. just accept it.

So true, man!

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by Cowboy

... There is no reason in the world that any Star Wars fan shoud be against the UOT being released at any point. Not one....just because you dont like them or because you wont buy them

So what you are asking for to satisfy all fans is a Blu-Ray set like this? Does anyone seriously want Star Wars to be released Blade-Runner-style?

Star Wars - the insanely complete Saga Set

BD 1: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (1999 theatrical Edition)
BD 2: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (2000 DVD Edition)
BD 3: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 4: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 theatrical Edition)
BD 5: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 DVD Edition)
BD 6: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 UK DVD Edition)
BD 7: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 8: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005 theatrical Edition)
BD 9: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005 DVD Edition)
BD 10: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 11: Star Wars (1977 theatrical Edition with multiple sound formats)
BD 12: Episode IV - A new Hope (1981 rerelease Edition)
BD 13: Episode IV - A new Hope (1997 Special Edition)
BD 14: Episode IV - A new Hope (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 15: Episode IV - A new Hope (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 16: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1980 theatrical Edition 35mm Master)
BD 17: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1980 theatrical Edition 70mm Master)
BD 18: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1997 Special Edition)
BD 19: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 20: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 17: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983 theatrical Edition)
BD 18: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1997 Special Edition)
BD 19: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 20: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 21: Prequels Specials (included in the BD Set)
BD 22: Prequels Archival Specials (all previous DVD Specials)
BD 23: Original Trilogy Specials (included in the BD Set)
BD 24: Original Trilogy Archival Specials (all LD and DVD Specials)
BD 25: the Documentaries (included in the BD Set)

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

So what you are asking for to satisfy all fans is a Blu-Ray set like this? Does anyone seriously want Star Wars to be released Blade-Runner-style?

Star Wars - the insanely complete Saga Set

BD 1: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (1999 theatrical Edition)
BD 2: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (2000 DVD Edition)
BD 3: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 4: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 theatrical Edition)
BD 5: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 DVD Edition)
BD 6: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 UK DVD Edition)
BD 7: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 8: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005 theatrical Edition)
BD 9: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005 DVD Edition)
BD 10: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 11: Star Wars (1977 theatrical Edition with multiple sound formats)
BD 12: Episode IV - A new Hope (1981 rerelease Edition)
BD 13: Episode IV - A new Hope (1997 Special Edition)
BD 14: Episode IV - A new Hope (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 15: Episode IV - A new Hope (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 16: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1980 theatrical Edition 35mm Master)
BD 17: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1980 theatrical Edition 70mm Master)
BD 18: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1997 Special Edition)
BD 19: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 20: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 17: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983 theatrical Edition)
BD 18: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1997 Special Edition)
BD 19: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 20: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 21: Prequels Specials (included in the BD Set)
BD 22: Prequels Archival Specials (all previous DVD Specials)
BD 23: Original Trilogy Specials (included in the BD Set)
BD 24: Original Trilogy Archival Specials (all LD and DVD Specials)
BD 25: the Documentaries (included in the BD Set)

I would buy it but I am nuts so I am not sure if my opinion count

[vidjunkie]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

So what you are asking for to satisfy all fans is a Blu-Ray set like this? Does anyone seriously want Star Wars to be released Blade-Runner-style?

Star Wars - the insanely complete Saga Set

BD 1: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (1999 theatrical Edition)
BD 2: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (2000 DVD Edition)
BD 3: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 4: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 theatrical Edition)
BD 5: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 DVD Edition)
BD 6: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 UK DVD Edition)
BD 7: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 8: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005 theatrical Edition)
BD 9: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005 DVD Edition)
BD 10: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 11: Star Wars (1977 theatrical Edition with multiple sound formats)
BD 12: Episode IV - A new Hope (1981 rerelease Edition)
BD 13: Episode IV - A new Hope (1997 Special Edition)
BD 14: Episode IV - A new Hope (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 15: Episode IV - A new Hope (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 16: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1980 theatrical Edition 35mm Master)
BD 17: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1980 theatrical Edition 70mm Master)
BD 18: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1997 Special Edition)
BD 19: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 20: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 17: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983 theatrical Edition)
BD 18: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1997 Special Edition)
BD 19: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 20: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 21: Prequels Specials (included in the BD Set)
BD 22: Prequels Archival Specials (all previous DVD Specials)
BD 23: Original Trilogy Specials (included in the BD Set)
BD 24: Original Trilogy Archival Specials (all LD and DVD Specials)
BD 25: the Documentaries (included in the BD Set)

LOL, I would take that in a heart beat, as I am sure others would to.

1 thing though, they need to be packaged inside a HUGE Millenium Falcon.

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by vidjunkie

LOL, I would take that in a heart beat, as I am sure others would to.

1 thing though, they need to be packaged inside a HUGE Millenium Falcon.

It would come in a selection of 10 different packagings so that it suits everyone´s taste.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

So what you are asking for to satisfy all fans is a Blu-Ray set like this? Does anyone seriously want Star Wars to be released Blade-Runner-style?

Star Wars - the insanely complete Saga Set

BD 1: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (1999 theatrical Edition)
BD 2: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (2000 DVD Edition)
BD 3: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 4: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 theatrical Edition)
BD 5: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 DVD Edition)
BD 6: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 UK DVD Edition)
BD 7: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 8: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005 theatrical Edition)
BD 9: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005 DVD Edition)
BD 10: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 11: Star Wars (1977 theatrical Edition with multiple sound formats)
BD 12: Episode IV - A new Hope (1981 rerelease Edition)
BD 13: Episode IV - A new Hope (1997 Special Edition)
BD 14: Episode IV - A new Hope (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 15: Episode IV - A new Hope (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 16: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1980 theatrical Edition 35mm Master)
BD 17: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1980 theatrical Edition 70mm Master)
BD 18: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1997 Special Edition)
BD 19: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 20: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 17: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983 theatrical Edition)
BD 18: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1997 Special Edition)
BD 19: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 20: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 21: Prequels Specials (included in the BD Set)
BD 22: Prequels Archival Specials (all previous DVD Specials)
BD 23: Original Trilogy Specials (included in the BD Set)
BD 24: Original Trilogy Archival Specials (all LD and DVD Specials)
BD 25: the Documentaries (included in the BD Set)

yes, that would be the way to go and it would outsell the so called "complete saga" set we are getting. But you've gone completely overboard with the amount of discs just to prove your point. Each prequel could easily be one disc, each of the OT 2 discs so that's a 9 disc set without any special features. all the special features could easily fit on 2 or 3 blu-rays. so a 12 disc ultimate set.

Now the LOTR extended box set is 15 discs and the theatrical is 6 discs, so that is a 21 disc set just for 2 versions of 3 movies so a big Star Wars saga set isn't so stupid now is it?

[whaleman]

Originally Posted by vidjunkie

LOL, I would take that in a heart beat, as I am sure others would to.

1 thing though, they need to be packaged inside a HUGE Millenium Falcon.

Yup, and the holiday special as a hidden bonus disk in the MF hidden compartment That would be the collection to end all collections.

[The Apocalypse]

Well, I think this edition will be more than satisfactory (for now) and hold no hesitation in getting it.

[The Apocalypse]

Just to see the entire story played out in wonderful HD is one of the reasons I'm getting this set. I can't really say how much I'm looking forward to it, regardless of the views of others.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

So what you are asking for to satisfy all fans is a Blu-Ray set like this? Does anyone seriously want Star Wars to be released Blade-Runner-style?

Star Wars - the insanely complete Saga Set

BD 1: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (1999 theatrical Edition)
BD 2: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (2000 DVD Edition)
BD 3: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 4: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 theatrical Edition)
BD 5: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 DVD Edition)
BD 6: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 UK DVD Edition)
BD 7: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 8: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005 theatrical Edition)
BD 9: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005 DVD Edition)
BD 10: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 11: Star Wars (1977 theatrical Edition with multiple sound formats)
BD 12: Episode IV - A new Hope (1981 rerelease Edition)
BD 13: Episode IV - A new Hope (1997 Special Edition)
BD 14: Episode IV - A new Hope (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 15: Episode IV - A new Hope (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 16: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1980 theatrical Edition 35mm Master)
BD 17: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1980 theatrical Edition 70mm Master)
BD 18: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1997 Special Edition)
BD 19: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 20: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 17: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983 theatrical Edition)
BD 18: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1997 Special Edition)
BD 19: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 20: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 21: Prequels Specials (included in the BD Set)
BD 22: Prequels Archival Specials (all previous DVD Specials)
BD 23: Original Trilogy Specials (included in the BD Set)
BD 24: Original Trilogy Archival Specials (all LD and DVD Specials)
BD 25: the Documentaries (included in the BD Set)

No, because you don't need the incremental changes. Once Lucas started making changes, he "broke the mold" so to speak. So I think what most people would want would be the original theatrical editions and the latest edit. Or perhaps, the original theatrical, the special editions and the latest edit. But I doubt that anyone but the completists and Star Wars historians would want every iteration, especially since some of them don't have any editorial or effects changes - they're just different masters (right?).

It's too bad seamless branching (and storage space) isn't advanced enough to enable switching back and forth between the versions in live time. It would be fun to see how he increased the complexity of special effects over time and whether each individual scene plays emotionally better with or without all the added stuff.

And by the way, why do you have separate 35/70mm versions listed above for The Empire Strikes Back but not for Episode IV or VI? They all had both 35mm Dolby SVA and 70mm Dolby 6-track mag "baby boom" editions released. And while we're on that topic, there's always been a bit of hypocrisy because the fans who claim to only want the originals wouldn't want either the original 35mm Dolby SVA soundtrack (which has mono surround and almost no separation between adjacent channels) or the 70mm Dolby 6-track mag configuration because the L Le C Ce R mono Surround configuration is inconsistent with the modern home channel layout and it also has mono surround. Do they really want the surround in mono or do they want a 5.1 or 6.1 remix? Or maybe they really want mono because that's how most people saw Episode IV. There were only 8 70mm prints of Star Wars on opening week and they were all in California, New York and New Jersey. And not that many theatres were equipped for Dolby SVA until AFTER the release of Star Wars.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

So what you are asking for to satisfy all fans is a Blu-Ray set like this? Does anyone seriously want Star Wars to be released Blade-Runner-style?

Star Wars - the insanely complete Saga Set

BD 1: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (1999 theatrical Edition)
BD 2: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (2000 DVD Edition)
BD 3: Episode I - the Phantom Menace (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 4: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 theatrical Edition)
BD 5: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 DVD Edition)
BD 6: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002 UK DVD Edition)
BD 7: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 8: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005 theatrical Edition)
BD 9: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005 DVD Edition)
BD 10: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 11: Star Wars (1977 theatrical Edition with multiple sound formats)
BD 12: Episode IV - A new Hope (1981 rerelease Edition)
BD 13: Episode IV - A new Hope (1997 Special Edition)
BD 14: Episode IV - A new Hope (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 15: Episode IV - A new Hope (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 16: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1980 theatrical Edition 35mm Master)
BD 17: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1980 theatrical Edition 70mm Master)
BD 18: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (1997 Special Edition)
BD 19: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 20: Episode V - the Empire strikes back (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 17: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983 theatrical Edition)
BD 18: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1997 Special Edition)
BD 19: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (2004 DVD Edition)
BD 20: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (2011 Blu-Ray Edition)
BD 21: Prequels Specials (included in the BD Set)
BD 22: Prequels Archival Specials (all previous DVD Specials)
BD 23: Original Trilogy Specials (included in the BD Set)
BD 24: Original Trilogy Archival Specials (all LD and DVD Specials)
BD 25: the Documentaries (included in the BD Set)

No, because you don't need the incremental changes. Once Lucas started making changes, he "broke the mold" so to speak. So I think what most people would want would be the original theatrical editions and the latest edit. Or perhaps, the original theatrical, the special editions and the latest edit. But I doubt that anyone but the completists and Star Wars historians would want every iteration, especially since some of them don't have any editorial or effects changes - they're just different masters (right?).

It's too bad seamless branching (and storage space) isn't advanced enough to enable switching back and forth between the versions in live time. It would be fun to see how he increased the complexity of special effects over time and whether each individual scene plays emotionally better with or without all the added stuff.

And by the way, why do you have separate 35/70mm versions listed above for The Empire Strikes Back but not for Episode IV or VI? They all had both 35mm Dolby SVA and 70mm Dolby 6-track mag "baby boom" editions released. And while we're on that topic, there's always been a bit of hypocrisy because the fans who claim to only want the originals wouldn't want either the original 35mm Dolby SVA soundtrack (which has mono surround and almost no separation between adjacent channels) or the 70mm Dolby 6-track mag configuration because the L Le C Ce R mono Surround configuration is inconsistent with the modern home channel layout and it also has mono surround. Do they really want the surround in mono or do they want a 5.1 or 6.1 remix? Or maybe they really want mono because that's how most people saw Episode IV. There were only 8 70mm prints of Star Wars on opening week and they were all in California, New York and New Jersey. And not that many theatres were equipped for Dolby SVA until AFTER the release of Star Wars.

[Cowboy]

In closing I will say that Lucas created this mess himself. By releasing and letting an entire generation and a half fall in love with his creations. Then by waiting twenty years to change things and releasing his prequel trilogy and then changing the OT yet again to fit inferior films. Nobody that loves and only supports the UOT that I know of has ever attacked the prequels for existing nor even Lucas for making his changes. Sure we may not have liked the new films because we feel they sucked but it is not because they exist. I could care less about the changes he makes to HIS films as long as history is perserved for an entire generation so we can enjoy his vision that he presented to us and continuted to share with us for over twenty years.

This whole situation is another creation by the master himself. Let's see if he still believes in what he said in 1988. Somehow I just know that he became that very thing that other directors from his era did and still fight against. We the original fans will just have to be content to get what we want by other means until the man comes to his senses and realizies just how important preserving film history is. I personally think he is going about it the wrong way. If he would just release the originals in HD (or let someone else like Criterion pay for the restoration) and do it this whole mess would just go away......as so many of you have said its a small niche (just like criterion fans) UOT fans would be happy and go away quietly, but by taking the stance he has it will never go away, in fact I think it will just get louder and louder as time marches on.

No matter how hard he tries he can not make a whole set of films or generation of fans dissappear and go away.....

Peace!

[The Apocalypse]

The legacy of Star Wars will always be a divisive one amongst the fans, no questions about it. I don't know what to really think or feel of the UOT against the new ones. I like the prequels a lot, I love the Saga.