Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Shaft Windu]

To me the (supposedly) Blu-Ray Screenshots from the official site look stunning! I don't know why everybody is so fixated on the "transfer"? The "transfer" or "Scan" of the negatives might be all right after all... The color-timing was just a little rushed on the DVDs - but that came AFTER the transfer...

Lucas hasn't let me down yet - so I guess the BluRays will be great as well!

[adywan]

Originally Posted by aiman04

Greg, that means they adjusted the gamma to the transfer, right? Isn't that a "fix"? Easy or not it did improve the look. This is one screenshot, at least it is something positive which is something most people refuse to see. Who knows what else they did to the entire film? And on the other comparison shots Vader's lightsaber is significantly less pink, they must have done something, don't you think?

Originally Posted by Cook

Still looks better...

Sometimes the smallest change can make a big difference. That starfield hasn't looked like that since, well, I have never seen it look that good. Also, the blu-ray shot from ESB isn't showing near as much crushing if any at all. I can make out details on Vader I couldn't on the 2004 DVD. Seeing as the crushed blacks were a major problem on the 2004 DVD this is an improvemnt no matter how small of a change it may ultimately be.

Sorry to say but if they have just increased the gamma to brighten the image then it certainly isn't a fix as this will cause more problems than it is trying to fix. And it certainly won't look better. It will bring out all sorts of imperfections within the image. It may look better to some in a still picture but in motion, this type of gamma increase will bring out all the video noise. The crushed blacks will still be there though. That image of Luke vs Vader from ESB; look at the dark area at the bottom of the screen. Look at all that noise that has been brought out. This isn't film noise but video noise and that will look horrendous in motion. You can't recover lost detail in crushed blacks with a simple gamma change. The detail in the dark areas of that shot that you think are no longer crushed blacks have always been there but the gamm increase has brought them out, but where the blacks are indeed crushed, which would be a block of pixels, will still be there and will stick out in motion. But another side effect is increasing gamma can make dark areas can look red/ brown when they should be dark. Look at the death star in the blu-ray image. That looks terrible.


Now the footage shown at Comic Con is almost certainly from the Blu-Rays. Now here is a screen grab from the direct video shown (not from a video camera but the actual video shown direct from the source). Now it does look like they have increased the gamma. But there are NO colour changes at all. The bottom picture is from the 2004 transfer with the slight gamma increase. The same.

So, if this is any indication, then all the people convinced that the colours will be fixed are going to be sorely disappointed.

[earmullet]

New video on the blu ray page.

‪Comic-Con 2011: Star Wars Blu-ray Experience -- Rebel Base Walk-thru‬‏ - YouTube

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by earmullet

New video on the blu ray page.

‪Comic-Con 2011: Star Wars Blu-ray Experience -- Rebel Base Walk-thru‬‏ - YouTube

Oh Yeah, thanks for the post... news seem to come on a daily basis by now. Footage looks amazing!

[monkeyjb1988]

Originally Posted by horizonline

The characters in ROTJ during the added song are dancing around like it's Fraggle Rock and are not puppets.

Fraggle Rock is full of puppets. If you meant the ROTJ characters danced not like puppets playing realistic creatures and more like puppets from Fraggle Rock, then that would be understandable.

Originally Posted by earmullet

New video on the blu ray page.

‪Comic-Con 2011: Star Wars Blu-ray Experience -- Rebel Base Walk-thru‬‏ - YouTube

Awesome. Thanks for sharing.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by earmullet

New video on the blu ray page.

‪Comic-Con 2011: Star Wars Blu-ray Experience -- Rebel Base Walk-thru‬‏ - YouTube

Looks great! Can't wait for September. It'll be a day long remembered.

[adywan]

Actually, seeing that picture of the lightsabers crossed made me think that they may have increased the gamma to try and fix the lightsaber problems inherent in the 2004 transfer. So i used the exact same setting i used when increasing the gamma to match the 2004 with the blu-ray screen shots on the official site on a snapshot taken from the highest quality HDTV version available (the German premier HD capture) and this is the result


Now anyone that says that this gamma increase is going to make the Blu-Rays look stunning either needs to get a new monitor or their eyes checked.

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by Beast

Looks great! Can't wait for September. It'll be a day long remembered.

Yup. A day long remembered for yet another crappy Star Wars release.

For me (and I have a Star Wars tattoo), I'm paying $65 for deleted scenes and the older documentaries. That's it.

I'll wait for fans to fix all the problems that are created and burn those.

[marathonman]

seriously that funny pic i posted was removed?

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by marathonman

seriously that funny pic i posted was removed?

Here ~ That is not considered funny !

Welcome to the forum marathonman

[LordCrumb]

Originally Posted by Cook

Still looks better...

Sometimes the smallest change can make a big difference. That starfield hasn't looked like that since, well, I have never seen it look that good. Also, the blu-ray shot from ESB isn't showing near as much crushing if any at all. I can make out details on Vader I couldn't on the 2004 DVD. Seeing as the crushed blacks were a major problem on the 2004 DVD this is an improvemnt no matter how small of a change it may ultimately be.

More comparisons have been added. http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpb...=165608#165608

TPM is a vast improvement, IMO. That horrid pink tint is gone as is the EE.

It appears something has been tweaked in the Dooku vs. Yoda duel. It appears the duel has been extended by a few frames. Its mentioned underneath the comparison.

It's very obvious in the ANH comparison that the contrast has been adjusted.

There is also a comparison of the Luke and Treadwheel deleted scene.

Those screenshots in that link look terrible.. the brightness is cranked up!

[marathonman]

I agree. It seems like the extent of their remastering and making these look presentable comes down to just brightening everything.

What's sad is they already brightened and oversaturated everything on the dvd release from 2004.

Heaven forbid they actually make the effort to recomposite some scenes where brightening basically ruins the whole feel. For example that shot of the deathstar is now something NEW to add to the list of ruined things. It's just not supposed to be that gray, flat and bright. It's bad enough they only show the damn thing from one angle and never even bothered to perhaps make a more interesting 3D model to use.

lazy, lazy, lazy, lazy

[Ryan0503]

Originally Posted by HandyDandy

Here is how i see it:

If last year Lucas said that the blu's would be out by Dec 2010 then i would suspect that they where just going to slap on the 2004 versions.

BUT...

Lucas said that he WISHES that they would have come out at that time but that they where not finished yet.That tells me that they where not finished with the NEW Transfers at that time.

Originally Posted by adywan

Where did he say that? Can you provide the proof that he said that? It was a few years ago that it was said that they already have the HD versions ready to go but that Lucas was waiting for Blu-Ray to become more mainstream before releasing them and that they were also finding new stuff in the archives all the time so were waiting to see what's in there before finalizing the set. Don't forget that George was against Blu-Ray as he was a HD-DVD supporter, which is another reason it hasn't appeared on a HD medium earlier.

Celebration V in the John Stewart interview ... I didn't think he was against Blu-ray and for HD-DVD, he just wanted to see what format would last before releasing Star Wars in HD.

[The Apocalypse]

Gee, if people actually are happy with this release, they could be condemned for actually liking the release. I don't care what anybody else says, I think this release will more than satisfying for me, both in terms of the transfers (I don't care about some slightly pink lightsabers, the movies are more important) and the extra content.

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by marathonman

I agree. It seems like the extent of their remastering and making these look presentable comes down to just brightening everything.

What's sad is they already brightened and oversaturated everything on the dvd release from 2004.

Heaven forbid they actually make the effort to recomposite some scenes where brightening basically ruins the whole feel. For example that shot of the deathstar is now something NEW to add to the list of ruined things. It's just not supposed to be that gray, flat and bright. It's bad enough they only show the damn thing from one angle and never even bothered to perhaps make a more interesting 3D model to use.

lazy, lazy, lazy, lazy

If something is changed you complain, if something stays the same you complain even more... that´s how it goes, I guess.

I don´t see anything that´s wrong with the six shots that are shown on the official site. I know about the issue with the lightsabers. But we don´t know yet if these will be fixed yet.

Something I really don´t get is the "Hoth is blue" thing... there´s nothing wrong with it. It is supposed to be that way. I wouldn´t base my expectation on some color "corrections" fans did.

Inception is on of the best Blu-Rays (and movies) around ...here´s an example of what you can do in one minute. I call it... let´s say "Inception revisited". But guess what... it is not an improvement!

[Shaft Windu]

I agree! Some "fans" think they got knowledge that surpasses anyone working at ILM and Lucasfilm. Sometimes it sounds as if the guys working on the BluRay Transfers don't even know how to use photoshop - In the contrary: These people invented all these tools that are used today! It's ridiculous!

[IndyMLVC]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Something I really don´t get is the "Hoth is blue" thing... there´s nothing wrong with it. It is supposed to be that way. I wouldn´t base my expectation on some color "corrections" fans did.

Umm...it has nothing to do with "what fans did." That's the way it was originally.

Jeez. Not that difficult to understand.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

If something is changed you complain, if something stays the same you complain even more... that´s how it goes, I guess.

I don´t see anything that´s wrong with the six shots that are shown on the official site. I know about the issue with the lightsabers. But we don´t know yet if these will be fixed yet.

Something I really don´t get is the "Hoth is blue" thing... there´s nothing wrong with it. It is supposed to be that way. I wouldn´t base my expectation on some color "corrections" fans did.

Inception is on of the best Blu-Rays (and movies) around ...here´s an example of what you can do in one minute. I call it... let´s say "Inception revisited". But guess what... it is not an improvement!

Ok, so you are getting personal now just because i can actually provide proof that if they go down the gamma increase route it will make the image look worse, provide proof that the colouring of the 2004 DVDs was not how the films have ever looked and i am not worhipping at Lucas' heels. And don't go down the "you are paranoid" route because that was a direct dig at my edits by calling it "revisited". I would really like to know what you are trying to prove by posting those pictures because it only goes to prove just how immature you really are and that you have no idea what you are even talking about. So is that supposed to represent what i am doing with my colour correction for Revisited? Pathetic. You are so far off it is unbelievable. Why is it that you and shaft_windu feel the need to attack what i do when it has no bearing whatsoever on the discussion in here? The only "haters" i ever see in here are you two. How come everyone else can have a civil discussion about this yet you both only seem to come out with snide comments?

maybe if you did some research about the colouring of these movies instead of blindly saying "its how it is supposed to be", then maybe people would be able to take your rants more seriously. So Hoth is supposed to be Blue is it? Well yes it is, but in the 2004 transfers everything is cyan, not Blue. Areas that should be white are now cyan thanks to the tint added. Proof:

Now please tell me that the 2004 versions colour is "how it should be". The image taken from the 1997 version of the Special Edition matches the colour references from an actual print that i have access to.

I'm not just spouting off that the colours of the 2004 special editions are way off, unlike some who say that there is nothing wrong with them because they are as they should be. I, along with many others, have done a lot of research into how these films originally looked. George himself wanted the Special Editions to look exactly like they did when they were first released and the 1997 versions are the closest to the original colouring than any other home video release.

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

I agree! Some "fans" think they got knowledge that surpasses anyone working at ILM and Lucasfilm. Sometimes it sounds as if the guys working on the BluRay Transfers don't even know how to use photoshop - In the contrary: These people invented all these tools that are used today! It's ridiculous!

You really think that they use photoshop to colour correct these films?

[david_blu]

Any notice something weird in those ESB comparisons.

In the GOUT still, Vader's lightsabre is red and the lights underneath the platform are red.

In the 2011 blu Ray his lightsabre is pink and the lights underneath the platform are orange.

If you were to change the hue of an image so the red became orange in the lights than his lightsabre should also turn orangey but it doesn't.

Its like the lightsabre has been altered so much it is no longer in the red band so it wasn't altered in hue when the lights were changed to orange.

Any ideas anyone?

[earmullet]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

If something is changed you complain, if something stays the same you complain even more... that´s how it goes, I guess.

I don´t see anything that´s wrong with the six shots that are shown on the official site. I know about the issue with the lightsabers. But we don´t know yet if these will be fixed yet.

Something I really don´t get is the "Hoth is blue" thing... there´s nothing wrong with it. It is supposed to be that way. I wouldn´t base my expectation on some color "corrections" fans did.

Inception is on of the best Blu-Rays (and movies) around ...here´s an example of what you can do in one minute. I call it... let´s say "Inception revisited". But guess what... it is not an improvement!

Wait, then your implying that one would also have to enjoy the movie. We can't have that, can we?