Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[earmullet]

Blade Runner DVD:

Blade Runner Blu Ray:

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Beast

Other than the point being completely wrong and inaccurate. And blown out of proportion.

LOL.

Some people just never get it.

[shelldweller]

Ok, let get back on topic. At this moment there is no indication that the Blu-Ray release of the saga is going to look bad in any way. Increasing gamma curves on already compressed material doesn proof anything. The screenshots shown on the official site and the Video of the E4 Space-Battle look great as far as we can tell by now. The fact that some of the older effects (Ping-Pong tables) have not been replaced by improved ones does not make me cheer but it is nothing that will distract me from enjoying these wonderful movies when they are released on blu-ray.

Lucasfilm using the 2004 scans for the upcoming Blu-Ray release is nothing that has to be proofed since it a known fact since August 2010. The main issue with the DVD releases of 2004 was the black crush or overall brightness and the issue with the sabers in E4 and E6. I can not complain about the overall color-timing and I think that issue has been blown way over proportion. To this point we know the brightness issue has been fixed and we dont know about the sabers.

[NMR1723]

Originally Posted by Beast

*Snerks* Or create so-called "fan-edits" where you proceed to make changes and tweaks while still complaining about the creator doing so.

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

But the point being is that you guys keep bringing up his edits as a counter point because you really don't have any reasonable, rational counterpoints directly on topic of the matter at hand. He is in a position of knowledge to assess these transfers with a rather solid degree of accuracy. But you just don't want to hear it and want to assume the transfer will be nothing short of great, so the best that people like you can come up with is to call him a hater and a complainer and to bash what he does OUTSIDE of this site altogether because you can't come up with a reasonable and equally knowledgable counterpoint related to the topic at hand.

Amen! Adywan does not bring up his edits when discussing the possible issues that may plague the upcoming Blu-rays. It would be nice if others did not as well.

[Coov]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

I don't think Adywan has ever complained about the general fact that the special editions were made at all.

There might be certain individual changes that he doesn't care for, though the issues he takes with them seems to be more focused on the technical errors that have resulted, and no so much the deliberate changes and alterations.

In fact, if I recall correctly, I think at some point in one of these Star Wars threads he even specifically mentioned liking many of the changes. And as he has stated many times, the edits that he has done on his own have no bearing on the subject at hand here of how the Blu-Rays will look.... well, other than the fact that his extensive research on the matter and his knowledge on how to adjust the look, coloring, etc, of films probably makes him far more qualified to accurately judge the look of the official images than most anyone else posting in this thread (myself included).

But the point being is that you guys keep bringing up his edits as a counter point because you really don't have any reasonable, rational counterpoints directly on topic of the matter at hand. He is in a position of knowledge to assess these transfers with a rather solid degree of accuracy. But you just don't want to hear it and want to assume the transfer will be nothing short of great, so the best that people like you can come up with is to call him a hater and a complainer and to bash what he does OUTSIDE of this site altogether because you can't come up with a reasonable and equally knowledgable counterpoint related to the topic at hand.

It's blanket statements like the one you just made, Beast, that add nothing to the conversation and cause more problems than they solve.

I really think you and anyone who thinks like you on these matters should really go over to the other SW thread in the movies section and read the post that I put up last night about lumping the common complaints against Lucas together and the problems that it causes in this thread. That's exactly what you did here. Both in the fact that you brought up the general concept of people complaing about Lucas changing the movies (which is off-topic and shouldn't be dicussed here... many people like you complain when the thread gets off topic in that regard, yet here you are now making these statements and bating the conversation to head in that direction... now who's being a hypocrite?), and additionally you lumped and overly generalized complaints that OTHER people have made about Lucas changing the movies and associated them with what Adywan has been saying.

Now, that is ALL that I'm going to say on the matter of people's opinions of changes that Lucas has deliberatly made to the films (and whether or not they should have been done) in this thread. Any further discussion of that should be had in the thread in the movies section if you wish to continue it, since it is off-topic and the last thing that we need around here is another round of suspensions like what happened not too long ago.

It is very much on topic to discuss the coloring issues of the Blu-Ray release based on the official images that have come out, which is what Adywan is doing. That's a lot more than I can say for you and others like Shaft Windu and Shelldweller.

Very well thought out and written response. I appreciated reading it.

[Shaft Windu]

But if someone who is a known "drunk" lectures other people "not to drink" - it IS an issue "who" critizises something and with "what motivation". He seems really eager to find fault in the Transfers constantly... I just wonder why? What is he getting out of it?

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Beast

Other than the point being completely wrong and inaccurate. And blown out of proportion.

I don't wish to argue with you, but the trend I've noticed is that anytime Adywyan says anything that some might disagree with the common response is to bash his fan edit. Honestly, that is weak response. He seems to know a lot more about color timing and film transfer than anyone else here, so his opinion on the matter might be worth listening to rathen than dismissing because he: '....made an edit that had duel of the fates in ANH." Again weak.

More directly, the only difference I see in the screen caps and video footage of the blus vs the 2004 DVDs is that the brightness has been amped up. The blue snow, pink lightsabers, and other errors appear to be there. This is defect sir and a sign of a lazy transfer. I wish it wasn't the case, and still hope that come September we have brand new transfers and not the trash that was put out in 2004, but I am not feeling good about that right now. I understand artistic freedom, I really do, but having the cores wiped out in the lightsabers (see the infamous Emporer shot in Jedi) doesn't match up with either the PT or the OT is not 'how the director intended it' but rather a poor transfer. Something is broken.

[opticzar]

Originally Posted by adywan

As someone else pointed out, it bothers me that the areas that should be dark on the interior of the unfinished Death Star are a kind of brownish red. Also, the rebel cruiser loses some of the contrast and the shadow on the planet is less prominent, making for an image that is overall less rich.

Also, looking at the comparison shots at http://www.millenniumfalcon.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=165608#165608 it is becoming clearly evident that a simple gamma adjustment has been made to all the films, resulting in a general washed-out look. It may appear to fix some of the black crush that others have complained about, but it also washes out nice, rich detail and color that was once present.

Pick your poison, I guess.

[HandyDandy]

Originally Posted by shelldweller

Ok, let get back on topic. At this moment there is no indication that the Blu-Ray release of the saga is going to look bad in any way. Increasing gamma curves on already compressed material doesn proof anything. The screenshots shown on the official site and the Video of the E4 Space-Battle look great as far as we can tell by now. The fact that some of the older effects (Ping-Pong tables) have not been replaced by improved ones does not make me cheer but it is nothing that will distract me from enjoying these wonderful movies when they are released on blu-ray.

Lucasfilm using the 2004 scans for the upcoming Blu-Ray release is nothing that has to be proofed since it a known fact since August 2010. The main issue with the DVD releases of 2004 was the black crush or overall brightness and the issue with the sabers in E4 and E6. I can not complain about the overall color-timing and I think that issue has been blown way over proportion. To this point we know the brightness issue has been fixed and we dont know about the sabers.

I agree.

[MrJoeKalel]

It's funny how some of you release all your professional frustrations (aka being in the movies industry) in this thread, either by creating 'enhanced' screenshots of images that are taken from trailers, etc...first, how can we really review the quality of the blu-ray edition/transfer when it has NOT been out yet? Is it worth doing all of this when things will NOT change whether we agree or disagree with the transfer?

Also, when are you going to realize that the Star Wars movies are George Lucas' movies, not yours!! (this ties into the professional frustrations mentioned above) We already paid a ticket price to watch the movie in theatres, or to buy the VHS, Laserdisc or DVD editions at home...that does NOT give us any right to anything, other than complain (which we have done in now 869 pages)...if he wants to make them 3D, black and white, letterbox, green tinted, blue tinted, with a whole in the middle, Chewbacca pink, red or blue, Yoda as a puppet or CG character, they are HIS CREATIONS and can do whatever he wants with them, whether WE like them or not.

As for me, I already pre-ordered the whole saga from DD, less than $70, which is not bad compared to LOTR EE (and many other special edition boxsets), and like so many, will pop in TPM first!

[earmullet]

Originally Posted by mvckalel

It's funny how some of you release all your professional frustrations (aka being in the movies industry) in this thread, either by creating 'enhanced' screenshots of images that are taken from trailers, etc...first, how can we really review the quality of the blu-ray edition/transfer when it has NOT been out yet? Is it worth doing all of this when things will NOT change whether we agree or disagree with the transfer?

Also, when are you going to realize that the Star Wars movies are George Lucas' movies, not yours!! (this ties into the professional frustrations mentioned above) We already paid a ticket price to watch the movie in theatres, or to buy the VHS, Laserdisc or DVD editions at home...that does NOT give us any right to anything, other than complain (which we have done in now 869 pages)...if he wants to make them 3D, black and white, letterbox, green tinted, blue tinted, with a whole in the middle, Chewbacca pink, red or blue, Yoda as a puppet or CG character, they are HIS CREATIONS and can do whatever he wants with them, whether WE like them or not.

As for me, I already pre-ordered the whole saga from DD, less than $70, which is not bad compared to LOTR EE (and many other special edition boxsets), and like so many, will pop in TPM first!

...and you'll probably going to be happy with it, and that's just not fair.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Beast

Other than the point being completely wrong and inaccurate. And blown out of proportion.

It's nothing of the sort. It's actually very accurate to what has been going on around here lately. Your post that I replied to in my last reponse being a prime example.

You are the one blowing things out of proportion and being inaccurate in your assumptions of Adywan's opinions of Lucas's changes to the OT.

[Coov]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

But if someone who is a known "drunk" lectures other people "not to drink" - it IS an issue "who" critizises something and with "what motivation". He seems really eager to find fault in the Transfers constantly... I just wonder why? What is he getting out of it?

When did wanting / expecting quality become a bad thing?

When fans can create something of a better quality than official releases there may be a problem.

[earmullet]

Originally Posted by Coov

When did wanting / expecting quality become a bad thing?

When fans can create something of a better quality than official releases there may be a problem.

I thought it wasn't officially released until September 16th?

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by earmullet

I thought it wasn't officially released until September 16th?

But haven't you heard, it's going to be terrible, some guy took screen shots so it's so obvious it will be bad.

[earmullet]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

But haven't you heard, it's going to be terrible, some guy took screen shots so it's so obvious it will be bad.

Damnit! I guess I'll cancel my pre-order.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

But if someone who is a known "drunk" lectures other people "not to drink" - it IS an issue "who" critizises something and with "what motivation". He seems really eager to find fault in the Transfers constantly... I just wonder why? What is he getting out of it?

I think the intent is to get to the truth of how these Blu-Rays will look and whether or not a new transfer was done for them.

And right now all that we have to go on is the promotional images and videos. And so far, based on those, it's looking like it is probably the 2004 transfers just brightened up a bit, etc (with many existing problems potentially still remaining and new ones being created as a result of just tweaking this existing transfer), and not a true new transfer being created.

I'm sure that IF reviews of the actualy Blu-Rays start to reveal accurate information to the contrary, he will change is tune. But it's highly unlikely that they wouldn't be using the actual transfer of the Blu-Rays for these promos as Comic-Con, etc.

The point is to get down to the truth and reality of the matter, get the information out there, and let people make the decision to buy it or not buy it based on the reality of the transfer. If the transfer is problematic, but people still choose to buy it anyway, that's fine, but at least they will be informed. And there will be those who may avoid the release if the transfers aren't going to be a big improvement.

I don't see what's so terrible about trying to get down to the truth of the matter as best we can based on the available information. If new information to the contrary comes forward, then that will be taken into consideration. Nothing more, and nothing less.

[Coov]

Originally Posted by earmullet

I thought it wasn't officially released until September 16th?

Wow... that would mean it is not out to fix yet, huh?

[HandyDandy]

WOW!! that makes me want to cancel mine too.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Coov

When did wanting / expecting quality become a bad thing?

When fans can create something of a better quality than official releases there may be a problem.

There is nothing wrong about wanting quality but let's be very honest here if we may, this release as been destroyed by a lot of people even before it was ever announced.

The entire month of May and half of June was spend arguing about the green tin over in The Lord Of The Ring thread, remember that one? Some people made it sound like it was the end of the world, they could never have children again, Jackson was the devil.....drama queen much! How did that wonderful episode took place? It was because of a few screen shots that were exagerated. There is a green tin but nowhere as bad as it was in these screen shot. Some even admited they went a little to crazy over it, other's of course will never agree and continue claiming their lives are over because of it.

Now here we go again in this thread, a few screen shots and the entire universe is about to collapse on us, once more drama queen much! But the reality is that for most people this was never going to be a good release because it's not the release they want. So they will nitpick and destroy and complaint not over the fact that it's bad but mostly because they are not getting the Star Wars they want. Of course I understand, it's always easier to say it's bad so this way it's easier to accept that they can't buy it.

At the end of the day, this release will be nowehere as bad as someone of you will make it out to be but the nitpicking will continue and the drama as well but because it's not the Star Wars you want. It as nothing to do with quality.