Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by IndyMLVC

Again, we *ALREADY HAVE* proof of what it will look like. You've got no proof that it's going to have any of the previous DVD issues fixed.

If you think that the DVD's looked great, then you're going to have no problems with this Blu set.

However, if you didn't OR if you have any interest in a blu-ray being faithful to the original presentation of the film, then you are going to be sorely disappointed.

I don't really see what was wrong with the DVD-transfer - despite some small things like the lightsabers in the Luke/Vader Fight and the Black Crush issue - of which I'm sure it won't be an issue anymore on the Blurays.

The Blackcrush is history as we have seen in the Starfield-Scenes from Episode 4 and the Bespin Scene with Luke and Vader from Episode 5 isn't one of the problematic ones. Vaders Lightsaber has to be a little "pink" because the red glow mixes with the blue backdrop!

[Dacian93]

I went from giving in to my first impulse of buying the entire saga to now at most, maybe buying the OT if it gets stellar reviews, which it probably won't.

Lucas has done this for ages. I can wait another 10 years until a proper transfer is done. It's not just the color glitches, I think a lot of people are concerned that the overall detail and quality will be lacking. I'm not interested in buying more then one version of the OT on blu. I'm a battered victim who's taking a stand!

[Coov]

Originally Posted by Jay444

I am using the LOTR blus as a distraction....14 hours of walking dude...

That aside, I don't have high hopes for the OT on Blu Ray as I have seen enough to make me question how good the transfer is going to be. Bleh. HOWEVER, I am amped for the PT as I KNOW those are going to look fn great. That one screen cap of TPM on the main site is great. Def looking forward to the reviews!

I'm using this thread as a distraction... this is hilarious!

[jebhdb]

Originally Posted by starwarsagent

And to be clear..because I been away for like 3 weeks. I am an original fan and I love the prequels, I love the changes and I am in no way supporting the Lucas bashing that's been going on in this thread for 3 weeks. I have been reading the posts on my android. Saying that, I think Lucas should make all the changes he wants. I've seen the originals UT, about 300 times already, it's good to make the movies fresh and cool for the next generation. If someone didn't see the originals as they were...then you missed out on history, that's your fault, but don't demand that history is brought to you. History cannot be brought back. The OT as it was at the movie theaters is history and it should stay history.
On the transfers, does it matter? Do all of you have 1080? Because I don't. I watch the movies for the content to be honest with you, not the imagery or the packaging. I like the films because of they are the greatest films of all time! not because they are transferred or modified. thats miniscule to me as I am probaly older than most of you. I paid 94 dollars for the complete saga and got this cool litho, heck i'm happy!

I honestly hope this is meant to be a joke. Why don't we go back and change all the classics to make them more fresh and cool for a new generation. The Wizard of Oz. Gone with the Wind. The Godfather. I'm sure they all would benefit if they were updated to be more fresh and cool. Why stop at movies? There's definitely things in religion, art, and history that aren't accepted in contemporary society. So let's go back and alter them to be more fresh and cool as well. Like you said, history should stay history and if you missed out then that's your fault.

[dcowboy7]

Originally Posted by starwarsagent

On the transfers, does it matter? Do all of you have 1080?

Yep 1080p here.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by starwarsagent

And to be clear..because I been away for like 3 weeks. I am an original fan and I love the prequels, I love the changes and I am in no way supporting the Lucas bashing that's been going on in this thread for 3 weeks. I have been reading the posts on my android. Saying that, I think Lucas should make all the changes he wants. I've seen the originals UT, about 300 times already, it's good to make the movies fresh and cool for the next generation. If someone didn't see the originals as they were...then you missed out on history, that's your fault, but don't demand that history is brought to you. History cannot be brought back. The OT as it was at the movie theaters is history and it should stay history.
On the transfers, does it matter? Do all of you have 1080? Because I don't. I watch the movies for the content to be honest with you, not the imagery or the packaging. I like the films because of they are the greatest films of all time! not because they are transferred or modified. thats miniscule to me as I am probaly older than most of you. I paid 94 dollars for the complete saga and got this cool litho, heck i'm happy!

You watch movies for the content but not the imagery? Hmm. Okay, then may I suggest you save your money and get this instead?

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Orig...1704724&sr=8-1

Look at that. I just saved you close to fifty bucks!

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

The Blackcrush is history....

I don't think the black-crush is history, we haven't seen any evidence that the Blu-rays have any more detail in that range than the DVD's did. Although it's far to early to know for sure without having the actual product playing in front of us.

[Dellamorte13]

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents has a couple pictures up from Comic-Con and one shows what looks to be the inside of the Complete Saga Collection with an empty CARDBOARD sleeve presumably where the Blu-ray disc would go.

WTF!? CARDBOARD?!?!? I know Lucas has his head up his ass but you would think that even he would know that no one likes this kind of packaging!

I was really planning on getting this set, but now I don't know any more. Only time will tell.

I just thought I would warn any of you who can't stand shitty packaging!

"I'm as mad as hell and I'm not gonna take this anymore!"

[Beast]

Originally Posted by Dellamorte13

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents has a couple pictures up from Comic-Con and one shows what looks to be the inside of the Complete Saga Collection with an empty CARDBOARD sleeve presumably where the Blu-ray disc would go.

WTF!? CARDBOARD?!?!? I know Lucas has his head up his ass but you would think that even he would know that no one likes this kind of packaging!

I was really planning on getting this set, but now I don't know any more. Only time will tell.

I just thought I would warn any of you who can't stand shitty packaging!

"I'm as mad as hell and I'm not gonna take this anymore!"

Given that it's the same packaging design as the one for the Aliens set, I doubt Lucas himself designed it.

We know his Daughter picked the packaging art. And Fox probably showed Lucas and her some options and he pointed to the one he liked.

And "No one likes it?" A lot of people seem to be pretty happy with it. It worked perfectly great for the Aliens set. It's just downright classy.

[chip75]

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It doesn't look like cardborad where the disc goes. It looks like velour very '70's!

[david_blu]

Oh well looks like if I get any set at all it will be the Uk one based on that stupid cardboard picture.

But I agree with keeping the film as originally intended in some form.

E.T original and altered, the same for..
Blade Runner
Close Encounters
Superman with original audio
Star Trek Original Series with original fx shots

there are probably loads but my memory escapes me.

I grew up with Star Wars original in Pan & scan on VHS, the main reason I want both the original and the new one is for my childhood memories. People are sentimental and want to keep something of their childhood of better times, simpler times, I'm not that old but if I had both I would still watch both. All I ask is the option.

If I want to watch all six I'll watch the SE, if only three then the OT.

I suspect they will sue the masters from the 2004 DVDs but the Lowry masters at a higher resolution before they are scaled down to Blu Ray.

What I said above might be totally incorrect but it can't be worse then any other for or against argument or suspected outcome I have read so far in this thread.

Imagine what page we'd be on if they had the forum from 1977?

[shelldweller]

Originally Posted by HandyDandy

Is the 2003 version the same as the 2004 version??

Originally Posted by HandyDandy

Well that confirms that there will be additional stuff added in.

I suppose when they say 2003 version they are talking about the 2004 versions.
I was really happy about this mail as I am hoping for more enhancements too.
The stranger it was for me to see that nothing of the Yavin battle has changed... I hope I didn´t misread the mail and they were just talking about the 2004 version.

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by starwarsagent

And to be clear..because I been away for like 3 weeks. I am an original fan and I love the prequels, I love the changes and I am in no way supporting the Lucas bashing that's been going on in this thread for 3 weeks. I have been reading the posts on my android. Saying that, I think Lucas should make all the changes he wants. I've seen the originals UT, about 300 times already, it's good to make the movies fresh and cool for the next generation. If someone didn't see the originals as they were...then you missed out on history, that's your fault, but don't demand that history is brought to you. History cannot be brought back. The OT as it was at the movie theaters is history and it should stay history.
On the transfers, does it matter? Do all of you have 1080? Because I don't. I watch the movies for the content to be honest with you, not the imagery or the packaging. I like the films because of they are the greatest films of all time! not because they are transferred or modified. thats miniscule to me as I am probaly older than most of you. I paid 94 dollars for the complete saga and got this cool litho, heck i'm happy!

I can't believe you just typed that. I had to read it 3 times to make sure I was reading it right.

If you don't care about transfer quality or even 1080 resolution, then why the heck are you here? If what you just typed above is the typical attitude of you pro-Lucas folks, no wonder there are so many problems in this thread.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by chip75

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It doesn't look like cardborad where the disc goes. It looks like velour very '70's!

Willy Wonka: "A Thing Of Beauty Is A Joy Forever."

[Deciazulado]

Mmm.. just a peeve. Wish people would use more accurate terms.

Pink is actually red lightened up (white added) and desaturated. Magenta is red veering towards blue or with blue added. Like when you change your hue or tint control, not like when you make it lighter or reduce its saturation.

If you increase gamma, the image gets darker, so when you say the images are lighter it is because of decreased gamma or increased brightness or black levels.

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Originally Posted by starwarsagent

If someone didn't see the originals as they were...then you missed out on history, that's your fault, but don't demand that history is brought to you. History cannot be brought back. The OT as it was at the movie theaters is history and it should stay history.

I guess film preservation, art preservation and the preservation of historic artifacts and history is not important and only time travelers or old people will have the right and privilege to experience it I thought that was one of the wonders of photography, recordings and the moving picture; You could preserve a moment in time.

Btw when I saw STAR WARS and The Empire Strikes Back with my time machine, Darth's lightsabre was red, the snow was white and Luke's "father's" was blue. (Or blue-cyan, before reaching any green). My pre-THX LDs seem to remember,

remember it well

.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

I don't really see what was wrong with the DVD-transfer - despite some small things like the lightsabers in the Luke/Vader Fight and the Black Crush issue - of which I'm sure it won't be an issue anymore on the Blurays.

If you are really interested in knowing more about the issues with that transfer, this link goes into detail (with images comparing the 2004 release to older releases) about the issues with the 2004 transfer:

http://savestarwars.com/specialeditionfail.html

I know some people don't like the site that I'm linking to because it tends to be pro-UOT, etc, the particular section of the site that I'm linking to goes into detail about the coloring problems of the 2004 masters.

Just on a brief run down of some of the additional issues beyond those most frequently discussed in this thread, one example is the ship where we first see Vader in ANH. What should be a starck white background now has a very bluish coloring to it. And it's supposed to either be the same ship (or the same type of ship) as the one that we see Yoda, Obi Wan, and Bail Organa in towards the end of Episode III, which is very, very white.

Things that should be bright like lights and engines firing on ships have a very dull appearance to them.


While Adywan could probably explain the problem better than I can, the issue right now seems to be that (based on what has been deduced from the official Blu-Ray promotional images/videos thus far, assuming that they are, in fact, from the same source master being used for the Blu-Rays, themselves) these movies are likely using the same 2004 masters just brightened up to some extent. The problem is that when you have issues like crushed blacks, discoloration from the generally darker images, etc, simply turning up the brightness isn't going to simply reverse what was done. Sure, in some images that we've seen, it seems like things such as the missing/reduced star fields have been "fixed". But that just means that, as hard as they were to see, the stars weren't actually 100% eliminated in the previous master, so now that they are brighter, they show up again to some extent. It's likely that some information was lost as a result.


The problem with crushed blacks and the discoloration is that you can't simply hit the "rewind" button on those changes by brightening things up and get back to the way things looked before hand. In the case of crushed blacks, much of the finer detail of the various levels of gray, etc, are largely lost when the image is darkened to that degree. Brightening it up doesn't restore that entirely. The same goes with the overall darkening of the image.

While it's not exactly the same thing, in a sense it's kind of like taking a large digital photo, shrinking it down to the size of an avatar for this site, saving it as a separate image file, then taking that smaller avatar sized image file, and resizing it back to the full original image size. It will be very pixelated and a lot of the detail will be lost. It would be better just to go back to the original, large image source.

If they are simply taking the 2004 masters... which have been "saved" with all of the crushed blacks and issues from the color timing, etc, that occurred back then, then any details and information that were lost will not be restored by brightening up the image. And it will result in strange side effects like the image of the death star from ROTJ a couple of pages back in which the areas that should be dark end up with that red/brown look to them.

They should have gone back to the source, but if the promo material is any indiciation, it doesn't seem like they've done that.


Now, if these issues don't bother you and you end up being happy with the Blu-Rays, that fine. More power to you. But some people will be bothered enough by this to consider not bying them. The point is to get down the the truth of the matter, whatever that happens to be.

[greg_achen]

As a "true" fan of Star Wars, I want the very best presentation of these films. I amazed how many "true" fans are willing to settle for a subpar release of their favorite movies. If the mistakes of the 2004 transfer are not fixed, there really is no legititamte excuse anyone can make for Lucasfilm when they had ample time to correct them. I could care less about further "enhancements," just fix the obvious errors. Only in bizzaro land would such a reasonable expectation be made out to be a bad thing.

[phil4853]

What other changes do we know about?

Am hoping that they had added to the lightsaber fight in AOTC as it was too short and sucked when compared to end fight in TPM.

Personally cannot wait for this release...if it's anything as exhaustive as the Alien Anthology then how can anyone dissapointed. It does seem a little pointless to be arguing over screenshots and web stills...Lucas won't screw this up the backlash would be too great.

[Strevlac]

Originally Posted by hipster.doofus7

In both cases, the original masters for the theatrical versions don't even exist anymore. They were cut up and edited directly. The only masters that exist now are the Redux versions.

Interpositives of the final cut negative still exist today. These are early generation elements from which internegatives were made for the creation of theatrical prints.

At any rate, I still have a hard time believing they would have gone back and cut up the original final cut negative.

[starwarsagent]

Originally Posted by Strevlac

I can't believe you just typed that. I had to read it 3 times to make sure I was reading it right.

If you don't care about transfer quality or even 1080 resolution, then why the heck are you here? If what you just typed above is the typical attitude of you pro-Lucas folks, no wonder there are so many problems in this thread.

I have my PS3 hooked up to the TV with Jacks. I can only get 720p with my PS3 and it looks fine to me. My DVD player is hooked up to my HD TV with a digital cable, but thats just a regular DVD. To be honest with you, i'm not all crazy about Blu rays like most of you. I am a normal person. I see not much difference between 720p and 1080p. And many people don't even know when they are watching their TV on 720p so it doesnt matter. Even if it is transferred at 1080 like 79% of the people won't be watching it that way. I can guarantee you! But for this release all I have to do is buy a digital cable and hook my PS3 directly to the TV.