Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[siso]

Originally Posted by earmullet

I cannot believe you guys are going on about this new trailer. Adywan, especially you should know better. The codec completely oversaturated in this video not to mention LO RES! And not one of you have even mentioned the lightsabers that cross in front of The Emperor in Jedi are now fixed.

Yeah they are "fixed" it is better than nothing

imo fix like this would be better:

[danny_boy]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

But the picture I put up was from that print

Perhaps this one then:
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or this one
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or this
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bored yet?
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Those screenshots are from the 2006 DVD---not the technocolor print.

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

And the top picture comes from? ---the special edition maybe---lol!
It definitely is not the technicour print which is the authority with regards to this matter:

By the way the saber looks "more red" in the 2004 DVD than it does in the original:

Technicolor print on the left/2004 DVD on the right:

But it is, direct from the source and not photographed from the screen which your picture proves has an outstanding pink tint to it as the camera is not able to compensate. Give it up!

http://picasaweb.google.com/10254276...f-q3_afqngxeQ#

[adywan]

Originally Posted by earmullet

I cannot believe you guys are going on about this new trailer. Adywan, especially you should know better. The codec completely oversaturated in this video not to mention LO RES! And not one of you have even mentioned the lightsabers that cross in front of The Emperor in Jedi are now fixed.

It has nothing to do with oversaturation or the resolution of a video or the codec. If it was just a case of oversaturation then the colours would be exactly the same but boosted, the same as if you just turned the colour up on your TV. And it has already been mentioned that that one shot of the sabres crossed has been fixed.

Originally Posted by danny_boy

I would say the 2004 screenshot is pink or leaning towards it.
And your word is not enough with regards to the colour of the saber being red in the technicolour print.
You were not in baltimore(neither was I) to see that screening.

That's not the only copy still in existance of a technicolor print you know And it is not just my word, but the fact that the sabers were ALWAYS red and continue to be so in the PREQUELS, or have they got the colours wrong in those too?

Plus you can even see that the white balance on the camera is wrong in the picture you posted. or are all the white supposed to be pink now?

[adywan]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

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What I said, this forum has serious delay issues from the UK don't you think!

Both originally posted at the same time but i edited it a little after to add a the picture, but didn't see your post above

[danny_boy]

Originally Posted by adywan

I explained about those tecnicolor screenshots and how the colour is incorrect here:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/blu-ray-mo...ml#post5068789

And also the 1997 versions were restored and colour corrected to match the technicolor prints, so why are the sabers red in those versions if they are pink in the technicolour prints? And wouldn't all the sith sabres in the prequels be pink if that's the colour they were originally supposed to be? No, they were always red.

Not only that but the screenshots we are both posting are from 2 different films. You can clearly see that the colour in the blu-ray trailer is even nothing like the technicolor photos you posted.

Yeah I know George used his own technicolor print as a reference for the 1997 special edition colour grading---but that was just for Star Wars because we both know that thare are no technicolor prints for ESB and ROTJ.

I am guessing that any 35mm deluxe prints of ESB or ROTJ were already severly pink shifted by 1997----hence the reason why Lucas may have taken more liberties with the colour regrading of the sabers in those 2 films because there was no reference (other than their own memories and desires)

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

I am guessing that any 35mm deluxe prints of ESB or ROTJ were already severly pink shifted by 1997----hence the reason why Lucas may have taken more liberties with the colour regrading of the sabers in those 2 films because there was no reference (other than their own memories and desires)

...and the use of red sabres in the prequel trilogy. They must have short term memory problems then

If thats not the answer you were looking for, you can go about your business now, move along.

[adywan]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

Yeah I know George used his own technicolor print as a reference for the 1997 special edition colour grading---but that was just for Star Wars because we both know that thare are no technicolor prints for ESB and ROTJ.

I am guessing that any 35mm deluxe prints of ESB or ROTJ were already severly pink shifted by 1997----hence the reason why Lucas may have taken more liberties with the colour regrading of the sabers in those 2 films because there was no reference (other than their own memories and desires)

So if this is your reasoning then why, in 1997 and any version that came before it, were all the sabers red throughout the trilogy? If they were supposed to be pink in the technicolor print of ANH, which they are not, then why did he not make them pink in 1997? you're arguments hold no weight because the red sabres throughout the prequels are RED, but you still chose to ignore this when i mention it. They screwed the colouring up in 2004. it's nothing more or nothing less.

And one last thing, how come that the telecine bootleg, which was done in 1977 so not from a faded print, has the sabres as red also?

[danny_boy]

Originally Posted by adywan

It has nothing to do with oversaturation or the resolution of a video or the codec. If it was just a case of oversaturation then the colours would be exactly the same but boosted, the same as if you just turned the colour up on your TV. And it has already been mentioned that that one shot of the sabres crossed has been fixed.

That's not the only copy still in existance of a technicolor print you know And it is not just my word, but the fact that the sabers were ALWAYS red and continue to be so in the PREQUELS, or have they got the colours wrong in those too?

Plus you can even see that the white balance on the camera is wrong in the picture you posted. or are all the white supposed to be pink now?

That aurgument of the white balance being out does not hold water.
Or Leia's costume would be pink eh?



As for the prequels---who cares?

There were no prequels in 77' ,80' or 83'.

If george has made a mistake in not matching the color of the sabers in the prequels to the OT it would be another inconsistency or aesthetic difference to go along with the CGI/effects discrepencies between the 2 trilogies.

[miniroll32]

Has no-one considered that Vader's mythical "Red Lightsaber", just like the overly red controls in his Tie-Fighter cockpit, and the overly red skin tones of other characters, and the overly red/purple hues of the Binary Sunset scene, is the result of a Technicolor print that was made after the film has begun to shift?

From all the evidence that has been given by other fans - including screenshots and videos from various IBM Technicolor print 'sources' (from 'that' person who knows another person, who knows another person, who knows another guy) - none of them appear to represent a film stock that has preserved as it was originally seen, which makes the whole argument preposterous. Since a dye Technicolor print itself won't fade, one can only imagine that the lousy camera stock was used in the first place had shifted in colour before the prints we know today appeared.

Afterall the 'pink' is seen on other scenes throughout the film - not just Vader's Lightsaber. Its even seen on his Tie Fighter control panel, where once before the lights were an over-saturated red.

Otherwise, this 'alteration' would make no sense.

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by adywan

So if this is your reasoning then why, in 1997 and any version that came before it, were all the sabers red throughout the trilogy? If they were supposed to be pink in the technicolor print of ANH, which they are not, then why did he not make them pink in 1997? you're arguments hold no weight because the red sabres throughout the prequels are RED, but you still chose to ignore this when i mention it. They screwed the colouring up in 2004. it's nothing more or nothing less.

And one last thing, how come that the telecine bootleg, which was done in 1977 so not from a faded print, has the sabres as red also?

Who cares its a damn movie, if things are messed up on the blu rays then complain but what was done in the past really is not indicitive of what is being done for this release.

[Roonan]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

Or Leia's costume would be pink eh?

But it is pink on that picture.

Originally Posted by danny_boy

As for the prequels---who cares?

Everyone who is looking for consistency.

Originally Posted by danny_boy

If george has made a mistake in not matching the color of the sabers in the prequels to the OT it would be another inconsistency or aesthetic difference to go along with the CGI/effects discrepencies between the 2 trilogies.

[Merlinpants]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

That aurgument of the white balance being out does not hold water.
Or Leia's costume would be pink eh?

God, I hope you are joking, it is difficult to know on these forums. Her dress is pink, Game Over!!!!

Oh Danny boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling

[adywan]

Originally Posted by danny_boy

That aurgument of the white balance being out does not hold water.
Or Leia's costume would be pink eh?

If the camera was set to auto white balance, which it most probably was, then it depends on what the camera was using for a white point when the photo was taken and as leias dress is more prominant that a few small sections in the lightsaber screenshots, then the white balance may not be true. Unless the person who was taking the picture set the white balance and kept the same balance throughout then you cannot use the photos taken at the screening as any indication as to the original colour.

plus, again, you are talking about the core of the saber being pink while everyone else is talking about the outer glow, which is red even in the technicolor screenshots.

Originally Posted by miniroll32

Has no-one considered that Vader's mythical "Red Lightsaber", just like the overly red controls in his Tie-Fighter cockpit, and the overly red skin tones of other characters, and the overly red/purple hues of the Binary Sunset scene, is the result of a Technicolor print that was made after the film has begun to shift?

The technicolor print was taken direct from the negative as they would not have created it from a print. Even if it was, which it wouldn't have been, it was created at the same time as all the other prints in 1977 so there would have been no colour shifting

[bullets]

So did they update Yoda for Phantom Menace or was that just a rumor?

[Roonan]

Originally Posted by bullets

So did they update Yoda for Phantom Menace or was that just a rumor?

They did.

[siso]

Originally Posted by bullets

So did they update Yoda for Phantom Menace or was that just a rumor?

If they are goin' to tie TPM with AOTC and ROTS,they will make him CGI...

[Merlinpants]

Ok, now we have it from the horses mouth:

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/4150...ls-new-content

'The ILM duo also revealed that some work was needed before the original trilogy was fit for Blu-ray, although fans will be happy that was confined to improving the picture quality, rather than fiddling with the films themselves: "The interesting thing about Star Wars and the Star Wars series of films is that they’ve been restored two or three times in the past decade, and so they were in pretty good shape to begin with.," said Bill George.

"I do know that they went in and made some colour corrections on the lightsabers, because they were getting a little bit funky. But I don’t think they went in and did any pantyline removal, or anything like that."

Guess that means Greedo is still getting in first then!

[kenkraly2004]

You can't base the transfer of the blu-rays based off of trailer video from yahoo or youtube. You just can't blu-ray has twice the restoration of web video and dvd combined.

[danny_boy]

Originally Posted by Merlinpants

...and the use of red sabres in the prequel trilogy. They must have short term memory problems then

If thats not the answer you were looking for, you can go about your business now, move along.

Why are you using the prequels as a reference for a film made 20 years before?!

This is Lucas we are talking about here!