Oh noes teh sky is falling!

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by mar3o

Agreed. People are too hooked on their tv shows to give up tv. True, many young people these days watch films and clips and junk on their tablets/phones, but I think most moms/dads still try to incorporate "family time" in the evenings, meaning bringing the family together, and watching tv is a great way to do that. As teens get older they may hate the idea of "family time" as they want to get more independent, but I think most families with younger kids expect them to spend some time with them during the week, and there are tons of people who have favorite tv shows they follow weekly. I don't see the family tv going anywhere.

Why are you an advocate for TV broadcasts in this thread? TV broadcasts are very similar to streaming and are additional competition for physical media.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Jett Rink

Netflix is already doing it. A show I was watching the other day had a song switched out for another song. Was it because of censorship or a licensing agreement? Who knows.

Uh, PROBABLY a licensing agreement.
(Assuming it was Married: With Children, or one of those 60's cartoons that Classic Media picked up.)

[JeffTheMovieGuy]

Originally Posted by Jett Rink

Netflix is already doing it. A show I was watching the other day had a song switched out for another song. Was it because of censorship or a licensing agreement? Who knows.

Yeah case in point Dawson's Creek on Netflix changed the theme music.

[StingingVelvet]

Dirty Jobs uses a different theme song on streaming as well.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

Dirty Jobs uses a different theme song on streaming as well.

How can this be ok?...

I've heard a bunch of the streaming is on the wrong aspect ratio too.

I've personally seen HD streaming that looked worse than Up Converted DVD. (I'm a big fan of a bad movie called Earth Girls Are Easy and I've had the DVD forever,.. When I saw it was streaming in HD on Amazon I checked it out having never seen it in HD before ... looked bad... My DVD looks better.)


I guess (most) streaming people just want easy access and they don't really care about what they are watching.

-Brian

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I guess (most) streaming people just want easy access and they don't really care about what they are watching.

Pretty much, it's throwaway entertainment. Even then it's pretty annoying for stuff I don't even care much about to be significantly modified.

[ChipmunksDad]

Originally Posted by #Darren

Already happened to some degree.

Minder - a cult UK TV Series - original AUS dvd release uncensored - later UK releases censored for PC issues.

I'm sure there are other examples too.

Agreed. Plenty of companies caving under political pressure. Imaging if a movie studio caved. Oh wait. Song of the South.

But yeah, there is much to be said for physical media of all kinds. Books to be sure. One day everyone is going to wake up to the digital disaster and no one will know what to do.

[Jett Rink]

Originally Posted by ChipmunksDad

Agreed. Plenty of companies caving under political pressure. Imaging if a movie studio caved. Oh wait. Song of the South.

But yeah, there is much to be said for physical media of all kinds. Books to be sure. One day everyone is going to wake up to the digital disaster and no one will know what to do.

This is kind of off topic,

[Show spoiler] but there has been a lot of discussion about books vs. ebooks. Physical books are expected to be around forever because they are cheaper to buy and make.

[atomik kinder]

Originally Posted by Jett Rink

This is kind of off topic,

[Show spoiler] but there has been a lot of discussion about books vs. ebooks. Physical books are expected to be around forever because they are cheaper to buy and make.

I love books. There is just something about them that ebooks can't replace. I own dozens of signed edtion books. Can't do that with a Kindle. Hmm, if you meet an author, what are you going to have them do, sign you Kindle or ipad?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by EricJ

Last time I was at the local neighborhood Apple store, I saw the new 27" iMac--which literally wouldn't fit on my desk at home--and said "I remember when COLOR TV'S were 27"!...The expensive ones! "



Umnnnn, not really, uh-uh ...I still don't for the life of me know WHY you, or the rest of the industry, still, stubbornly and to the last standing man, insists on applying the music/MP3 model as a pattern to "what's going to happen" to movies and TV, unless they've ever walked down Main Street with their eyes glued to a Game of Thrones rerun. I've never done that, have you? Stand up and tell the class the last time you did.
Music is portable and movies aren't (unlike audio, you generally have to be sitting down in one place, even a portable place, and not looking at anything else to enjoy them), and that's been the one rather fundamental "Why boys and girls are different" niggling fact about trying to apply one industry sales model to the other: You can argue theory all you like, but when it comes down to real-world scenarios...

http://www.techradar.com/news/televi...r-tv-1222761/2

See, this is what I am talking about. All promising stuff until the last paragraph. Is that paragraph suggesting people are abandoning their TVs for mobile? It's a comment by the writer not a quote from Netflix I understand but it is those comments that worry me. It kind of says to me if 4k or future innovation is not a success then mobile and tablet viewing will win the day. That's why I don't understand people not wanting 4k to be a success.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

http://www.techradar.com/news/televi...r-tv-1222761/2

See, this is what I am talking about. All promising stuff until the last paragraph. Is that paragraph suggesting people are abandoning their TVs for mobile? It's a comment by the writer not a quote from Netflix I understand but it is those comments that worry me. It kind of says to me if 4k or future innovation is not a success then mobile and tablet viewing will win the day. That's why I don't understand people not wanting 4k to be a success.

We wish 4K all the success for doing.........whatever it is it DOES.
Granted, that's not everything. Nor is it singlehandedly going to replace everything, just by sole virtue of it being New and Neato.
And the fact that some people who do not know are not doing handsprings over it immediately after hearing about it does not mean that the TV Set Is Dead--It just means the Fancy TV Set can't sell itself. It just means we want a set we can figure out, and realize what exactly we're paying that much extra for. Which those who thought that idea was "self-evident" were....evidently wrong.

(And yes, I know what it "does". Now try explaining that to your tech-impaired mother in thirty seconds.
A products that is bought only by those who know what it is is not likely going to meet overimagined opening-sales figures.)

[Show spoiler]And after the third page on the one doggedly-pursued subject, I hear the little birds chirping in the trees: "K00k-koo, K00k-koo..."

[tenebre6]

I think that the 4K and even blu ray is a niche market. but its a large enough niche it can sustain it self. MY only worry about 4K is the lack of a physical medium. I only use a projector and will gladly upgrade to 4K (my player and receiver already support upscaling) but I will never buy into the "never owning" streaming concept.

Also having seen native 4K its going to be a hard sell to all but us videophiles the average viewer can not tell any difference. which shouldnt surprise anyone as my m om cant tell the difference between badly encoded DVDs and Bluray :P

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by EricJ

We wish 4K all the success for doing.........whatever it is it DOES.
Granted, that's not everything. Nor is it singlehandedly going to replace everything, just by sole virtue of it being New and Neato.
And the fact that some people who do not know are not doing handsprings over it immediately after hearing about it does not mean that the TV Set Is Dead--It just means the Fancy TV Set can't sell itself. It just means we want a set we can figure out, and realize what exactly we're paying that much extra for. Which those who thought that idea was "self-evident" were....evidently wrong.

(And yes, I know what it "does". Now try explaining that to your tech-impaired mother in thirty seconds.
A products that is bought only by those who know what it is is not likely going to meet overimagined opening-sales figures.)

[Show spoiler]And after the third page on the one doggedly-pursued subject, I hear the little birds chirping in the trees: "K00k-koo, K00k-koo..."

Yes, it is a bit obsessive but the smiley is a bit strong mate. I guess it's my lifestyle. Single man, no wife, kids etc.. I'm a bit of an introvert and I guess an outsider. My loves are very different to what the many do, especially in England. I don't drink (apart from special occasions) so I don't go to pubs/bars nightclubs etc.. I don't really do crowds unless we are talking football and I like to visit the theatre, rester-aunts so I know I am a bit different to the usual drinking culture of England. I have several friends that I have known for over fifteen years and trust. Maybe that explains why I care so much about home cinema, I spend far more time in there than socialising. I am at peace when I am watching a movie or tv show it's when I am happiest apart from family time and rare outings with good friends. So, it might be a bit of a deep answer but it may explain my persistent fears? Please be assured though, that these concerns only ever come from the heart, nothing else.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by unsivilaudio

I don't normally feed trolls, but for you I'll make an exception...once.

so for you trolling means being interested in movies and not pirating?

Nobody is discussing "pirating", so GTFO with you self-righteous bull

you did before and again in this post.

I seriously doubt I could find 1200 BD's I would WANT to own, especially with the current track record of studio's unwillingness to release on Blu-ray.

how are studios unwilling to release on BD? that is the dumbest comment yet. Also why is it important? Isn't this discussion about some fictional format that is BD quality but that can legally be stored on a media server? I also don't get the use of a media server if you don't care about owning films and (I would assume since we are not talking pirating) all you do is rent films

Even so here's some math for you. 1200x50GB=60TB; plenty doable by today's hard-drive standards, especially if I had the money to waste on that many BD's. I could build it (a server) for less than $5k to house that.

who said 1200? I said "but I have over 12x the movies you have on BD" assuming your count is correct it says you have 170 BDs, and I will continue growing my collection and I don't have no where near some of the larger collections here. As for wasting money on BDs, if someone does not buy movies why would they need a server for them in the first place and if someone has a collection they spent the money on it in the first place, ythe question is why spend 5k (or more) on a device when a <100$ device does an even better job. (plus your mth forgot that TV seasons, multi disk movies like Cleopatra and LOTR EE... and 3D mean that any count won't be that simple

What can I say, I like options. More importantly with Plex I can share my entire collection with my brother when he is overseas.

for someone not discussing pirating you sure like discussing it a lot.

I like that I don't even have to get off my couch to decide what I want to watch; its not laziness, its working smarter not harder.

how is making a big deal about getting off the couch not the epitome of laziness? As for smarter not harder wouldn't that be picking something to watch before you go and sit on the couch?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by vargo

You are overlooking the future technology part of the section header. You cannot have a discussion about the future of home media without discussing the inevitable death of physical media.

technicaly it is Blu-ray Technology and Future Technology. not BD and future of home media . Future technology means tech that is not out yet (like new 4K formats) or might never make it out (like HVD)

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by vargo

Maybe you should ask the moderators to create a section entitled "Bluray and present technology - I like everything just the way it is and am afraid of change" just for you and Anthony P.

lol that is the funniest thing I ever read. Anyone knows me thinks of me as a gadget boy because I always adopt everything way too early. I just don't believe in buying into and using crap just because it is "new". That is why I come here (and other tech sites) to learn what is new and coming down the pipeline. What I disagree with is the propaganda, agendas and FUD that some people are obviously more interested in.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by tenebre6

I think that the 4K and even blu ray is a niche market. but its a large enough niche it can sustain it self. MY only worry about 4K is the lack of a physical medium. I only use a projector and will gladly upgrade to 4K (my player and receiver already support upscaling) but I will never buy into the "never owning" streaming concept.

Studios definitely want everyone to switch to digital, but if the niche market demands physical product and the studios can make money off us I'm sure we'll get what we want. I've said this before but I really think it's going to be the laserdisc days all over again. 90% of people will be streaming (buying VHS) but we'll be paying a heavy premium to get blu rays (laserdiscs).

[Tok]

Originally Posted by unsivilaudio

I seriously doubt I could find 1200 BD's I would WANT to own, especially with the current track record of studio's unwillingness to release on Blu-ray. Even so here's some math for you. 1200x50GB=60TB; plenty doable by today's hard-drive standards, especially if I had the money to waste on that many BD's. I could build it (a server) for less than $5k to house that.

You're so full of sh!t! Show me studios unwillingness to release on BD. All the major and large minor studios are releasing on the format.


$5k is a lot to spend on a storage solution. That same amount of cash could buy a lot of other improvements for a home entertainment system.

Obviously if you think 1200 films is excessive then you really aren't a fan of film or it's history.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

My Blu-ray player completely broke, SO what did we do all day without any BD player? Streamed movies online...'nuff said.


argument = can go both ways

except that it only works for idiots.

1) If you were smart enough and wanted to watch BDs you could have just gone out and got a new BD player. It is impossible to go out and buy a new house and move in a day. And he could not change from cable ISP to phone ISP

2) you are missing the obvious(because you were too busy making a stupid point). Without cable there was no TV to watch and without internet there is no surfing and no phone means he might not be able to spend a lot of time talking on it. If the BD player is dead none of those other stuff are affected so it is way more important (having a BD player meant that he now could have something fun to do while the cable was down. If his BD player broke he could have watched TV, called his friends or surfed the web.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by jetthead

Translation: I'm leeching my neighbor's WiFi

or using smart phone