The Shining 4K UHD (1980)

[philthehip]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

King may have liked the TV series because it was "more accurate" but what it didn't have (and a lot of his adaptations don't) is the accurate mood and atmosphere. Kubrick took the entire world and basis of King's character study and translated it to the big screen without missing a beat, even while throwing out a chunk of the book. Some say he left out the heart too, which I don't jive with tbh; the humanity is there in spades even if it's bleak.

The time and place and mood are paramount to the experience. You can do the most thematically accurate adaptation ever and it can turn out like a fart on a Denny's pleather booth cushion.

So many adaptations in general do not lean in hard enough and lose their teeth. Kubrick went all in and gave it fang implants while he was at it!

The other aspect of why King hated on The Shining movie was to do with how Jack was fleshed out. It is pretty obvious that Jack is King when he was trying to work out his addiction problems and seeing someone strip out all the nuance of your creation must be tough to swallow. And then take ihat Kubrick even changed things like the colour of the car and king must have thoughgt Kubrick was trolling him. He just should have gotten over it a few decades ago.

[iaragorn1]

Originally Posted by Kyle15

[Kyle15]

Originally Posted by iaragorn1

[Christian Muth]

Originally Posted by geomon

I want this in 4K. I don't care if it was shot on DV, I want a 4K damn it!

Shot in 35mm according to IMDB:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118460...ref_=ttfc_ql_6

Chris

[Christian Muth]

Originally Posted by philthehip

The other aspect of why King hated on The Shining movie was to do with how Jack was fleshed out. It is pretty obvious that Jack is King when he was trying to work out his addiction problems and seeing someone strip out all the nuance of your creation must be tough to swallow. And then take that Kubrick even changed things like the colour of the car and king must have thoughgt Kubrick was trolling him. He just should have gotten over it a few decades ago.

Doesn't Kubrick also have Hollarhan drive passed a crashed Volkswagen that IS the same color as the one from the book, as well?

Chris

[geomon]

Originally Posted by Christian Muth

Shot in 35mm according to IMDB:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118460...ref_=ttfc_ql_6

Chris

YES!

[philthehip]

Originally Posted by Christian Muth

Doesn't Kubrick also have Hollarhan drive passed a crashed Volkswagen that IS the same color as the one from the book, as well?

Chris

Oh damn yeah, totally forgot that

Mr. King must have been so pissed at Stanley.

[KubrickKurasawa]

Yeah, There's a Semi-Truck / Tractor-Trailer that crushes a RED Volkswagon (the color of Jack's car in the book) when Halloran is going back to the Overlook Hotel (in Stanley Kubrick's film) due to the terrible winter storms. Jack and his family drive a Yellow VW in the film. SK didn't put up with Shelly Duval's shit or Stephen King's shit either. It was his movie and script now. Everyone was a pawn for him to create his masterpiece basically, he paid them and if you got in his way he ran your butt over literally and symbolically if necessary.

[50strat54]

SK made a movie, it was good but not a masterpiece.

But a nice companion to the Doctor Sleep film, which while not a masterpiece was a great film.

Now if we’re talkin’ ‘bout Dr. Strangelove...now that’s a masterpiece.

[koberulz]

Originally Posted by KubrickKurasawa

SK didn't put up with Shelly Duval's shit

Interesting way of phrasing "was a psychologically abusive garbage fire of a human being".

[Matt89]

Yeah, Stanley Kubrick treated Shelley Duvall like garbage and exacerbated her mental health issues that have continued throughout the rest of her life. You can even see his mistreatment of Duvall in parts of Vivian Kubrick's doc on the making of the film. It's also widely known and well-documented that Kubrick was difficult to work with.

I respect Stanley Kubrick as an artist and filmmaker, but the guy was a f*cking assh*le.

~Matt

[BluProofie]

Shelley herself doesn’t seem to agree with that. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fe...g-4130256/amp/

[Matt89]

Yet, she doesn't exactly disagree with it either:

"Asked whether she felt Kubrick had been unusually cruel or abusive to her in order to elicit her performance, as has been written, Duvall replies: “He’s got that streak in him. He definitely has that. But I think mostly because people have been that way to him at some time in the past."

She does go on to say, "He was very warm and friendly to me", but the next paragraph says this:

"But as [Anjelica] Huston remembers it, the director — and Nicholson — could be unduly rough on Duvall. “I got the feeling, certainly through what Jack was saying at the time, that Shelley was having a hard time just dealing with the emotional content of the piece,” she says. “And they didn’t seem to be all that sympathetic. It seemed to be a little bit like the boys were ganging up. That might have been completely my misread on the situation, but I just felt it. And when I saw her during those days, she seemed generally a bit tortured, shook up. I don’t think anyone was being particularly careful of her.”

The end of the article actually mentions how while watching the scene of Wendy and Jack on the stairs where he taunts her and she hits him with a baseball bat brought her to tears over how hard it was to shoot and the fact that many women likely go through similar instances of abuse. There's clearly some trauma there.

I think the role itself certainly took a lot out of her, having to constantly be in hysterics, but there's no doubt that Kubrick's particular filmmaking style, demanding literally hundreds of (unnecessary) takes, ended up taking a psychological and emotional toll on the actress. You can see it in the documentary. It's quite well-documented that he mistreated her on set. Kubrick was also known for being very hard to work with lol it's one of the most well-known things about the director. Nicholson even talks about her mistreatment in Stanley Kubrick: A Life in Pictures and said that Kubrick acted like a different director when it came to Duvall.

~Matt

[Matt89]

I do think Kubrick was an incredible filmmaker and a master at his craft. I don't think he ever made a bad film. However, his techniques and methods of getting a particular type of performance out of his actors was at the very least questionable.

He was a great filmmaker for sure, one of the greatest, but that doesn't mean he wasn't also a dick lol.

And anyway, the original claim was that "Kubrick didn't put up with Shelley Duvall's shit", when it's pretty clear that most people had to put up with his.

~Matt

[deet]

Originally Posted by dallywhitty

The thing about King's novels is that underneath the possessed cars and telekinetic schoolgirls and intergalatic entities masquerading as clowns, there's a lot of heart and earnest sentimentality. Love conquers all, the monster is defeated by the power of friendship, that kind of deal.* Kubrick ain't about that life, though.

Yeah, I have to call out this poor comparison. Like most of the author's sales juggernauts of 1970s and 1980s, the ending of The Shining falls under "the good guys who survived eeked out something resembling a win over the forces of evil, but only after immense personal loss and psychological trauma."

And the movie's outcome is...pretty much the same, other than that the possessed dad doesn't get a brief moment of redemption, and the epilogue with the survivors was left on the cutting room floor.

[CreasyBear]

Kubrick treated Duvall a certain way to get the performance he needed...and he succeeded. Her mental health before or after is not his responsibility.

[philthehip]

Originally Posted by CreasyBear

Kubrick treated Duvall a certain way to get the performance he needed...and he succeeded. Her mental health before or after is not his responsibility.

The thing is, the treatment of Duvall is no different to how anyone else is treated in a work environment sometimes. The boss sometimes has to be quite blunt with an employee when they are not giving what is needed. The stuff with her showing her hair falling out was comical, and the point when Kubrick and her argue is just that, an argument.

Was Kubrick a care bear? No of course not. But the suggestion that he was abusive to Shelley has only become a thing since her interview.

Actors come away from some roles having had a torrid time of it, that is the nature of acting, especially in roles that require you commit and really become the character. I have seen some arguments that her having to be in that constant hysterical state, or being forced to do lots of takes is somehow responsible for her mental health issues. Well, they are not. She has mental health issues, and I am very sorry for her, but blaming Kubrick or The Shining for that only serves to demonstrate how overdramatic we have become as a species.

[Filmmaker]

You know what else we’ve become as a species? Armchair quarterbacks who pass judgment on people and situations with which we have no direct knowledge or experience. Hell, I’m guilty of it, too—look no further than my vehement conviction in a couple of threads here about the film that POLTERGEIST is far more a Spielberg film than a Hooper one—but everyone has to recognize that they’re never really gonna know the truth of a situation they didn’t directly observe, and the truth is usually somewhere in middle of two competing versions.

[dallywhitty]

Originally Posted by deet

Yeah, I have to call out this poor comparison. Like most of the author's sales juggernauts of 1970s and 1980s, the ending of The Shining falls under "the good guys who survived eeked out something resembling a win over the forces of evil, but only after immense personal loss and psychological trauma."

And the movie's outcome is...pretty much the same, other than that the possessed dad doesn't get a brief moment of redemption, and the epilogue with the survivors was left on the cutting room floor.

Well, I never said King's books were full of sunshine and unicorns. I just said they have heart.

[50strat54]

I wonder if Kubrick even knew she had mental health issues.

A lot of actors and directors don't get along during filming yet turn out incredible films.

I thought Shelley was really good in The Shining. The actress who plays her in Doctor Sleep must have really studied that performance because I thought I was actually seeing Duvall.

There has always been something very sympathetic about Shelley in all of her performances. It's really hard to dislike her.