UltraHD Blurays and players will start coming by Christmas 2015. Still buying blurays

[OgamiittoMcJ]

I'll hold off buying certain new releases as soon as the UHD releases start
and buy UHD version
but will still buy BD's and DVD's of more obscure movies

it will be hard to resist when you read reviews like this

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/news...0-review/21858

Despite all the fine specification talk, nothing prepares you for the instant jaw-dropping spectacle of the UE65JS9500’s native HDR pictures. Delivered for this audition from a Samsung-supplied USB stick and comprising specially remastered clips from Exodus: Gods and Kings and The Life Of Pi, the HDR picture quality step-up is so vast that going back to normal video feels like stepping back to an earlier, infinitely duller period in AV history.
To bring the impact of the Samsung screen's HDR capabilities into sharper focus, I ran the HDR Life Of Pi clips against the 4K Samsung Video Pack transfer of the same film on a normal – but good quality – UHD TV. And this head-to-head underlined just what an impact HDR has, as the standard version looked positively dim and washed out by comparison. And I’ve previously considered the Samsung UHD Video Pack transfer to be pretty impressive.

UHD, HDR, Dolby Atmos and DTS:X are the future
as they will deliver the best picture and sound on home cinema
I can't wait

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by spectre08

ultraHD blu-ray players will likely play 3D blu-ray, but as of right now there's no spec for 3D Ultra HD. At the moment they're mutually exclusive features.

I bet they are saving that for later, so that everyone who wants 3-D can buy a new player, A/V receiver and UHD TV again, just like they did with BD 3-D.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

With UHD blu ray, they're basically asking those who upgraded their movie collections previously to upgrade them YET AGAIN. And in order to play them, you'll need a 4K TV AND a new UHD blu ray player. A little more complicated than the much more simple vinyl-CD coexistence.

My music comparison was about physical media in general, not UHD BD. My gut feeling is UHD BD will fail and BD will remain the niche format of the future, but I could be wrong.

The important thing to remember is that DVD and BD and UHD BD will all work on the same machine, so they're kind of one format with better transfers in a way. Even if UHD survives the vast majority of my collection would remain BD, I would only get new releases on UHD. I guess SACD was the same though. It's kind of a turkey shoot with these things, since consumers don't care much about quality compared to price and convenience, but this IS a niche market, so who knows.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

I bet they are saving that for later, so that everyone who wants 3-D can buy a new player, A/V receiver and UHD TV again, just like they did with BD 3-D.

I hate to disappoint you, but there's no conspiracy at play here. 4K and 3D together would simply take up far too much space and require more bandwidth to your TV than HDMI cables are currently capable of handling.

With current mass-market HDMI tech a 3D 4K blu ray player would have to connect to your tv with 2 HDMI cables, which means you have to have 3D tvs that can take concurrent inputs from 2 HDMI cables.

We're several years away from 4K 3D, which probably won't come out until only shortly before 6K or 8K starts coming onto the market.

We're a very long way off from 4K 3D, if it ever actually happens.

[prozacnation1978]

I'll buy ultra bluray and a player so when I do get a 4k tv.

My tv are only like 5 years old. They are a till new

[master gandhi]

I already have a UHD TV, so I'll just need an upgrade kit to get it to connect to a UHD BD player. I'll be all over it.

But that doesn't mean I'll stop buying Blu-rays until then. I did decide to cancel my pre-order of the new Bram Stoker's Dracula and I'll skip all other 4K remastered catalog titles in hopes that they will be on UHD BD soon. Don't want to have to double dip so quickly.

Hopefully all the studios jump on board immediately. I don't want to have to wait to pick up Star Wars The Force Awakens in hopes of a UHD BD version.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

Oh, and I think they will definitely do that.
They would be most foolish not to.

In what way, though?

If someone is so interested in PQ, investing in a UHD set-up and disc, chances are they aren't going to want a Blu-ray.

There were a ton of reasons (they thought) for combo packs on DVD/Blu-ray, primarily they honestly thought everyone would just switch over. The DVD copy was for portable viewing (since so few portable Blu-ray players are out there, that doesn't exist here), and those that want portable viewing will get that "transfer" feature thing which is disk-less.

They also stand to lose signifigant profits, as folks will likely just sell off or give away the DVD copy like so many already do with the DVD/Blu combo packs. They don't want to further reduce Blu-ray sales.

I just think they aren't planning on UHD supplanting Blu-ray, like they figured with Blu-ray/DVD - I just don't see the incentive for them to do so.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by spectre08

I hate to disappoint you, but there's no conspiracy at play here. 4K and 3D together would simply take up far too much space and require more bandwidth to your TV than HDMI cables are currently capable of handling.

With current mass-market HDMI tech a 3D 4K blu ray player would have to connect to your tv with 2 HDMI cables, which means you have to have 3D tvs that can take concurrent inputs from 2 HDMI cables.

We're several years away from 4K 3D, which probably won't come out until only shortly before 6K or 8K starts coming onto the market.

We're a very long way off from 4K 3D, if it ever actually happens.

A nice way around that would be to have passive 3D 4K, it wouldn't be as high of resolution as active 3D 4K but it would be double the resolution of active 3D 1080p (plus it would have HDR).

Are there any specifications for 1080p 3D with HDR?

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

In what way, though?

If someone is so interested in PQ, investing in a UHD set-up and disc, chances are they aren't going to want a Blu-ray.

There were a ton of reasons (they thought) for combo packs on DVD/Blu-ray, primarily they honestly thought everyone would just switch over. The DVD copy was for portable viewing (since so few portable Blu-ray players are out there, that doesn't exist here), and those that want portable viewing will get that "transfer" feature thing which is disk-less.

They also stand to lose signifigant profits, as folks will likely just sell off or give away the DVD copy like so many already do with the DVD/Blu combo packs. They don't want to further reduce Blu-ray sales.

I just think they aren't planning on UHD supplanting Blu-ray, like they figured with Blu-ray/DVD - I just don't see the incentive for them to do so.

I agree. I think it's just going to be looked upon as a niche.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I agree. I think it's just going to be looked upon as a niche.

I've been saying this all along. UltraHD blu ray will occupy the same kind of niche as 3D blu-ray does now. There will be a small premium ontop of the normal blu-ray price

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by spectre08

I've been saying this all along. UltraHD blu ray will occupy the same kind of niche as 3D blu-ray does now. There will be a small premium ontop of the normal blu-ray price

Agreed. Just like 3D Blu-ray, it can't be priced too much higher than regular Blu-ray. Hopefully it at least sells as well as 3D Blu-ray, if not more. Maybe they'll do UHD exclusives, like they do with Blu-ray compared to DVD.

[BillieCassin]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

Agreed. Just like 3D Blu-ray, it can't be priced too much higher than regular Blu-ray. Hopefully it at least sells as well as 3D Blu-ray, if not more. Maybe they'll do UHD exclusives, like they do with Blu-ray compared to DVD.

That part I disagree with. I think folks might be a bit surprised at how much these will retail for. Like Laserdisc, they know they will be catering only to high-end consumers, and will definitely charge a premium for it.

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

That part I disagree with. I think folks might be a bit surprised at how much these will retail for. Like Laserdisc, they know they will be catering only to high-end consumers, and will definitely charge a premium for it.

Perhaps the prices will be quite high at first. I forget how expensive 3D Blu-rays were at first. I suppose you're right, though. I could see UHD BD being more expensive than 3D BD. maybe it's worth the premium? Looking forward to seeing one of these.

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by spectre08

I hate to disappoint you, but there's no conspiracy at play here. 4K and 3D together would simply take up far too much space and require more bandwidth to your TV than HDMI cables are currently capable of handling.

With current mass-market HDMI tech a 3D 4K blu ray player would have to connect to your tv with 2 HDMI cables, which means you have to have 3D tvs that can take concurrent inputs from 2 HDMI cables.

We're several years away from 4K 3D, which probably won't come out until only shortly before 6K or 8K starts coming onto the market.

We're a very long way off from 4K 3D, if it ever actually happens.

Not in the least. I personally hate 3-D anyways.

You are essentially agreeing with me though.

[reason108]

I remember when VHS was the coolest thing in the world. It had it all. You could watch what you wanted when you wanted and you could record your television shows off the television. Those were the days.

Yeah, my dvd`s looked great on the old CRT. They also looked great on my first widescreen television, which was 720p. Have had an 1080p for a couple of years now and some of my dvd`s do not look so hot. I certainly won't be upgrading my television until it dies. So, when the UHD players come down to the sub $200 level, I will probably pick one up. Though I won't get the full effect, they should look amazing on my 1080p. As long as it will play blu-ray then I might buy into the format. At this point, though....

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by BillieCassin

That part I disagree with. I think folks might be a bit surprised at how much these will retail for. Like Laserdisc, they know they will be catering only to high-end consumers, and will definitely charge a premium for it.

I think the whole disc market is headed this way, and whatever format is the niche format the next decade or two will be expensive, but I'm not sure they're going to launch with expensive UHD discs. The studios still (foolishly) think it might be a mainstream format, according to news articles I have read. They are hoping the color and lighting enhancements especially will entice more casual consumers than BD did.

I think that's a bunch of malarkey, but what do I know.

[Brightstar]

when are these ultra hd disks gonna come out in the uk ?

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by StingingVelvet

I think the whole disc market is headed this way, and whatever format is the niche format the next decade or two will be expensive, but I'm not sure they're going to launch with expensive UHD discs. The studios still (foolishly) think it might be a mainstream format, according to news articles I have read. They are hoping the color and lighting enhancements especially will entice more casual consumers than BD did.

I think that's a bunch of malarkey, but what do I know.

I'm 100% sure that they know UHD blu-ray will never be a mainstream format, but they certainly will never say it in public. Every chance they get they'll pitch it and sell it like the be-all-end-all future dominant format, because they want to convince as many people as possible to adopt it.

If they said right out of the gate "this is only going to be for a small portion consumers" they'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

[Ruined]

SACD, take two!

[NeMo_ET]

I've replaced a large portion of my favourite DVDs on bluray but I can't see myself doing that with UHD. The picture on a lot of blurays (especially newer ones) is pretty fantastic already and I can't see studios putting a ton of effort into half the stuff I buy on bluray these days. I'll adopt it eventually but I'm happy buying what I'm buying right now.