audiophile/videophile Here To Stay discussion thread

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by JTK

Is TrueHD really seeing that much support and implementation, in general?

Not on Blu-ray because most of the companies are either using lovely PCM or awesome DTS-HD MA.
Me thinks that TrueHD not being included in too many HD DVD releases is because of the lowly 1x speed that HD DVD is on right now.
Blu-ray can dedicate more speed to video content than HD DVD can dedicate to both video and audio combined with another 14.825 Mbps left over for lossless audio.
Blu is the future.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Not on Blu-ray because most of the companies are either using lovely PCM or awesome DTS-HD MA.
Me thinks that TrueHD not being included in too many HD DVD releases is because of the lowly 1x speed that HD DVD is on right now.
Blu-ray can dedicate more speed to video content than HD DVD can dedicate to both video and audio combined with another 14.825 Mbps left over for lossless audio.

Blu is the future.

Of this I have no doubt.

I just was wondering about it because I feel like I haven't seen much TrueHD support at all, across both formats combined.

LPCM all the way for me, in any event.

[BTBuck1]

I kinda hope Blu Ray stays LPCM and DTSHDMA. we don't need anything else. Even DTSHDMA downsampled at 1.5mbps will do me just fine for life! and LPCM 5.1 4tw!!!

IMO dd 640kbps just aint cutting it, (Except mi3) which I don't know how they pulled that kinda sound outta 640kbps if it is indeed so!

JTK, ps3 shows bit rate no? do you have this film and can speak to that? If you don't own mi3 you need it in your life....NOW!!!

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Brian@BBY

I kinda hope Blu Ray stays LPCM and DTSHDMA. we don't need anything else. Even DTSHDMA downsampled at 1.5mbps will do me just fine for life! and LPCM 5.1 4tw!!!

IMO dd 640kbps just aint cutting it, (Except mi3) which I don't know how they pulled that kinda sound outta 640kbps if it is indeed so!

JTK, ps3 shows bit rate no? do you have this film and can speak to that? If you don't own mi3 you need it in your life....NOW!!!

Actually, it's either MI3 or Stargate that gets whipped out tonight.

The PS3 shows you everything. You just press the select button and you see all the bit rates, audio codecs, video codecs, all that tech stuff right there on the screen.

I wish I had a way to get past dd 640. I did get exposed to the higher end audio with HD-DVD over the multichannel analogs. If only the PS3 had someway I could plug it into multichannel analogs I'd be set right now.

[GoldenRedux]

Let me just weigh in on this here - there should be absolutely no difference in sound quality between TrueHD, DTS-HD MA and LPCM. The former two are both lossless and are therefore identical when uncompressed to the latter, LPCM. In fact, if your ultimate goal is to achieve the best sound quality possible without sacrificing picture quality, then TrueHD or DTS-HD MA are the more desirable options over LPCM as they result in the dentical sound quality in less space and with less bandwidth.

Personally, I would prefer to see the Blu-ray studios abandon LPCM on all film releases in favour of either DTS-HD MA or TrueHD in order to optimise picture quality. For something like an audio-only Blu-ray release, then LPCM is perfectly acceptable.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Brian@BBY

I kinda hope Blu Ray stays LPCM and DTSHDMA. we don't need anything else. Even DTSHDMA downsampled at 1.5mbps will do me just fine for life! and LPCM 5.1 4tw!!!

But what about 6.1 and 7.1 LPCM!

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/descent.html
It's good to see Lionsgate getting into the lossless realm as their first handful of releases have only had DVD-Video quality audio.
Lossless 6.1 PCM and DTS-MA 6.1 should be terrific - come on HDMI 1.3 receivers!!

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

come on HDMI 1.3 receivers!!

Who needs them with the Panasonic firmware update?

[BTBuck1]

i'm not convinced, i know on paper it's suppossed to be transparent...but for some reason the implimentation seems better on LPCM.

as for 6.1/7.1 it's cool...my receievers are 7.1 I have 6.1 connected but it's not that earth shattering comming from 5.1, I guess you have to have a huge room to apprecciate it or something.

[Rob Tomlin]

That quote from Chad seems to be perfectly consistent with what Bob and others are saying. I think we would be quite safe with a hdmi 1.1 receiver/pre-pro.

[GTP]

Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

Why wouldn't you "ever" buy a Pearl or Ruby?

Because I have seen them....and although they are a nice upgrade to my current Optoma H-78dc3...aka H-79......DLP has more pop, detail...and possibly depth to the picture ...were sxrd is too smooth for my tastes.

The depth part is really up in the open until I get to see an actual 1080p DLP...but the pop and sharpness I seek....are in the DLP camp IMO.

[JTK]

For five grand, how about the Sony VPL-VW50 SXRD 1080p Home Theater Front Projector

Read: http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=34080


^^ This thing's been getting rave reviews all over the place, most recently in WSR issue 115.

Basically the idea being: They can't believe it's "only" 5 grand.

[GTP]

Originally Posted by JTK

For five grand, how about the Sony VPL-VW50 SXRD 1080p Home Theater Front Projector

Read: http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=34080


^^ This thing's been getting rave reviews all over the place, most recently in WSR issue 115.

Basically the idea being: They can't believe it's "only" 5 grand.

These can be bought cheaper than 5k(The Pearl)....but the 1080p DLP pj's are just starting to trickle out....and by this spring...there will be more to compare to.

There should also be a lot more players and movies to compare them on.

If I had to buy today....it would be the Optoma H-81 with the included outboard scaler....but they have a few issues to work out first.

I am usually one of the first to jump.....but waiting for HD optical to get going...has forced me to be more paitient when upgrading.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by GTP

These can be bought cheaper than 5k(The Pearl)....but the 1080p DLP pj's are just starting to trickle out....and by this spring...there will be more to compare to.

There should also be a lot more players and movies to compare them on.

If I had to buy today....it would be the Optoma H-81 with the included outboard scaler....but they have a few issues to work out first.

I am usually one of the first to jump.....but waiting for HD optical to get going...has forced me to be more paitient when upgrading.

I want to see you look over the last couple of pages of this thread and give me your two cents on the whole subject.

[Rob Tomlin]

Originally Posted by GTP

These can be bought cheaper than 5k(The Pearl)....but the 1080p DLP pj's are just starting to trickle out....and by this spring...there will be more to compare to.

There should also be a lot more players and movies to compare them on.

If I had to buy today....it would be the Optoma H-81 with the included outboard scaler....but they have a few issues to work out first.

I am usually one of the first to jump.....but waiting for HD optical to get going...has forced me to be more paitient when upgrading.

Unfortunately I think the Optoma has more than "a few" issues to work out. It has far too many issues going on at this time to the point that I would have very little peace of mind in purchasing one. They don't even have down some very basic video settings, and this with a Gennum outboard scaler.

The Pearl has a few concerns, such as color uniformity and convergence, but these don't appear to be wide spread issues. Overall the Pearl has received excellent reviews, including the WSR review by Greg Rogers.

I do like the brightness of the HD81, but all the other issues make that pj a hard sell for me.

I have preordered the JVC RS1 LCoS (D-ILA) based largely on the posts I have read about it, as well as talking to 5 people in person who saw it at the EHexpo in Long Beach.

[JTK]

Wow. I actually got an answer from Sony in 24 hours about my question here.

See what you all make of this answer:

The PLAYSTATION(R)3 computer entertainment system will support audio technology such as Dolby
Digital 5.1 ch, DTS 5.1 ch, LPCM 7.1 ch, AAC, and others.<1> <2>

To playback sound recorded on your
DVD/software in Dolby Digital (AC-3) or DTS format to reproduce the effect of listening in a movie
theater or concert hall, you must connect to audio equipment with the ability to decode DTS or Dolby
Digital sound (sold separately).

You must connect the component via the DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL)
connector using an optical digital cable (sold separately).

<1> A device compatible with Linear PCM 7.1 Ch. is required to output 7.1 Ch. audio, supported by
Dolby TrueHD or a similar format, from the HDMI OUT connector.

<2> This system does not support output from the DTS-HD 7.1 Ch. DTS-HD 7.1 Ch. audio is output from
a 5.1 or lower channel.

I'm using a 5.1 setup. I hope that information is well known for people with 6.1 or 7.1 setups.


Apply this to me.

In other words: I need a receiver that probably has HDMI 1.1 at least to get all the nice audio codecs off of BD discs?

With the PS3, there's no if, ands, or buts about it otherwise.

That's the message I'm getting here.

When you connect to an audio component with a built in DTS or Dolby Digital decoder set the "DIGITAL
OUT (OPTICAL) to "On" in the "System Configuration."

To utilize the "DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL)" feature of the PLAYSTATION(R)3 system, you should plug in
the (yellow) "Video" connectors only. You should also disconnect the Left and Right Audio (white and
red) connectors that may be installed into your television/stereo. Every setup can vary depending
upon the make and model of your equipment, so there may be exceptions to this. One such example
would be when you may be using an RFU adapter to relay the video and sound information to the
television.

Duh.

NOTE: The PLAYSTATION(R)3 system allows you to configure the audio output settings independent of
the display output settings.

You may need to make sure the correct audio out setting is selected
for your installation.
1. To choose the audio output setting go to the Settings icon.
2. Navigate down to Sounds Settings and press "X".
3. Navigate to Audio Output Settings and press "X".
4. You will be then prompted to choose from "AV Multi Out port", "Digital Out (optical) port", or
"HDMI Out port". Highlight the output port of you setup and press "X".
5. The audio output of the PLAYSTATION(R)3 system will now output audio from the port you have
selected.

The only real wild card here is: Could that multiAV port be used for multichannel analog outputs down the road or could there be a funky HDMI-multichannel analog audio adapter that could ever be made and come out?

I suspect the answer is "no" to both, but let's see what you all make of this.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...24#post8987524

We'll see where this goes.

[GTP]

Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

Unfortunately I think the Optoma has more than "a few" issues to work out. It has far too many issues going on at this time to the point that I would have very little peace of mind in purchasing one. They don't even have down some very basic video settings, and this with a Gennum outboard scaler.

The Pearl has a few concerns, such as color uniformity and convergence, but these don't appear to be wide spread issues. Overall the Pearl has received excellent reviews, including the WSR review by Greg Rogers.

I do like the brightness of the HD81, but all the other issues make that pj a hard sell for me.

I have preordered the JVC RS1 LCoS (D-ILA) based largely on the posts I have read about it, as well as talking to 5 people in person who saw it at the EHexpo in Long Beach.

Rob....DLP still offers more pop and detail than SXRD...its as simple as that.....and I am a detail fan.
Many that upgraded from the Optoma H-78-79 have said that its more of a sideways move than a huge upgrade.....and I can get a Pearl for less than I paid for my 720p Optoma h-78.....but I will wait until more DLP's are out before choosing which one.

I have seen both the Ruby and Pearl locally....just haven't seen the H-81 yet...but you know what those that have seen both have had to say.