The red ants are blowing a fuse

[GORT]

I was just on amazon ordering some movies and the DUD fanboys are loosing there minds in the blu threads there.

[ezcobar411]

poor poor babies, they need their kool-aid bottles refilled. Sadly, it has been reported that Toshy has ceased production of that too

[xtop]

i'm curious to see quotes of what they're claiming now. where are all the threads of the funny responses!

[Irrob]

Originally Posted by xtop

i'm curious to see quotes of what they're claiming now. where are all the threads of the funny responses!

yea, I can use the laughs.

[Tizflizz]

HD-Fan boy: " Toshiba was paid off to end the war so Sony could force their product on us cause they are evil and will bring armageddon upon us all"

I think that should cover it.

[ezcobar411]

Here is some guy from engadget. truly a shame to read.

R Clark @ Feb 16th 2008 10:02AM

As an owner of both Blu-Ray and HD DVD high def disc players and discs, I am amazed at how retailers and the media have just fallen in line behind Blu-Ray, when this is clearly a situation of the tail wagging the dog, in stark contrast to what the consumer is actually saying, aand goes against the best interests of consumers, independent producers, and the industry as a whole. The headlines that you are not seeing are that the consumer is clearly choosing HD DVD over Blu-Ray as a platform, despite the fact that more Blu-Ray discs have been sold to date. According to NPD, http://www.videobusiness.com/index.a...leid=CA6413168, 8% more HD DVD players were sold than Blu-Ray players over the course of April through December last year. Ah, but that was before Warner Brothers dropped support. Well, let’s look at live data on Amazon to see which players are selling the most: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers..._zg_hrsr_e_1_2. Low and behold, the top 3 HD players are each outselling the top 3 Blu-Ray players. And that is as of today, after everyone has proclaimed that HD DVD is dead. How can this be? The reason is simple, and is the reason HD is clear choice for consumers, producers, and retailers since the beginning: price. HD DVD is based on the existing DVD technology, so manufacturing the drives and discs is cheaper. So, while Blu-Ray was able to gain a majority share of the disc sales by focusing on niche titles that catered to early adopters, HD DVD is catering to your average Joe, who has consistently chosen HD over Blu-Ray at the store, and with the latest drop in HD DVD player and disc prices is continuing to do so. So, why all the noise then from Blu-Ray supporters and headlines decrying that the end is near for HD DVD? Well, the Blu-Ray camp can extrapolate the trends into the future as well as anyone else, and see that once HD DVD reaches main stream adoption it will clearly have an advantage over Blu-Ray, so they are taking their lead in disc sales to claim the game is over despite the fact that consumer has been and continues to choose the HD DVD platform over the Blu-Ray platform when deciding which player to buy. So, it’s great that Blu-Ray early adopters have more money than HD DVD early adopters and have bought more discs as a result, but how is this good for your average consumer, independent producers, or even the market as a whole once high def discs become mainstream. Common sense tells you that if the lower cost alternative for discs and players becomes the standard, then that standard will be adopted more quickly, since people will be able to afford more players and discs. If that is the case, then even if HD DVD drops out of the picture completely, Blu-Ray will not be adopted as rapidly as HD DVD would have due to its price, which is not good for the industry as a whole or consumers. It also isn't good for independent movie producers who also prefer the lowest cost platform, because they are much more sensitive to margin due to their low volumes. So, given that HD DVD is the lower cost platform in terms of costs of discs and players, and given that consumers have been and are continuing to choose HD DVD over Blu-Ray as a platform choice, then why is everyone standing behind Blu-Ray? Those are good questions to ask Wal-Mart, Best Buy, and NetFlix, who surely wouldn't be putting alliances with Blu-Ray ahead of the consumer, would they?

I never knew that the NDP numbers were so wrong

[xtop]

lmao. see thats what i'm talking about! its hilarious how people say they support both, yet ***** because hd dvd is dying. as if somehow its going against what the consumer is picking. blu-ray sold more but not because its what the consumer wanted? wtf. where's the logic there

[bassbone57]

Originally Posted by ezcobar411

Here is some guy from engadget. truly a shame to read.

R Clark @ Feb 16th 2008 10:02AM

As an owner of both Blu-Ray and HD DVD high def disc players and discs, I am amazed at how retailers and the media have just fallen in line behind Blu-Ray, when this is clearly a situation of the tail wagging the dog, in stark contrast to what the consumer is actually saying, aand goes against the best interests of consumers, independent producers, and the industry as a whole. The headlines that you are not seeing are that the consumer is clearly choosing HD DVD over Blu-Ray as a platform, despite the fact that more Blu-Ray discs have been sold to date. According to NPD, http://www.videobusiness.com/index.a...leid=CA6413168, 8% more HD DVD players were sold than Blu-Ray players over the course of April through December last year. Ah, but that was before Warner Brothers dropped support. Well, let’s look at live data on Amazon to see which players are selling the most: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers..._zg_hrsr_e_1_2. Low and behold, the top 3 HD players are each outselling the top 3 Blu-Ray players. And that is as of today, after everyone has proclaimed that HD DVD is dead. How can this be? The reason is simple, and is the reason HD is clear choice for consumers, producers, and retailers since the beginning: price. HD DVD is based on the existing DVD technology, so manufacturing the drives and discs is cheaper. So, while Blu-Ray was able to gain a majority share of the disc sales by focusing on niche titles that catered to early adopters, HD DVD is catering to your average Joe, who has consistently chosen HD over Blu-Ray at the store, and with the latest drop in HD DVD player and disc prices is continuing to do so. So, why all the noise then from Blu-Ray supporters and headlines decrying that the end is near for HD DVD? Well, the Blu-Ray camp can extrapolate the trends into the future as well as anyone else, and see that once HD DVD reaches main stream adoption it will clearly have an advantage over Blu-Ray, so they are taking their lead in disc sales to claim the game is over despite the fact that consumer has been and continues to choose the HD DVD platform over the Blu-Ray platform when deciding which player to buy. So, it’s great that Blu-Ray early adopters have more money than HD DVD early adopters and have bought more discs as a result, but how is this good for your average consumer, independent producers, or even the market as a whole once high def discs become mainstream. Common sense tells you that if the lower cost alternative for discs and players becomes the standard, then that standard will be adopted more quickly, since people will be able to afford more players and discs. If that is the case, then even if HD DVD drops out of the picture completely, Blu-Ray will not be adopted as rapidly as HD DVD would have due to its price, which is not good for the industry as a whole or consumers. It also isn't good for independent movie producers who also prefer the lowest cost platform, because they are much more sensitive to margin due to their low volumes. So, given that HD DVD is the lower cost platform in terms of costs of discs and players, and given that consumers have been and are continuing to choose HD DVD over Blu-Ray as a platform choice, then why is everyone standing behind Blu-Ray? Those are good questions to ask Wal-Mart, Best Buy, and NetFlix, who surely wouldn't be putting alliances with Blu-Ray ahead of the consumer, would they?

I never knew that the NDP numbers were so wrong

That's just sad.

-K

[KenThompson]

Originally Posted by ezcobar411

Here is some guy from engadget. truly a shame to read.

R Clark @ Feb 16th 2008 10:02AM

As an owner of both Blu-Ray and HD DVD high def disc players and discs, I am amazed at how retailers and the media have just fallen in line behind Blu-Ray, when this is clearly a situation of the tail wagging the dog, in stark contrast to what the consumer is actually saying, aand goes against the best interests of consumers, independent producers, and the industry as a whole. The headlines that you are not seeing are that the consumer is clearly choosing HD DVD over Blu-Ray as a platform, despite the fact that more Blu-Ray discs have been sold to date. According to NPD, http://www.videobusiness.com/index.a...leid=CA6413168, 8% more HD DVD players were sold than Blu-Ray players over the course of April through December last year. Ah, but that was before Warner Brothers dropped support. Well, let’s look at live data on Amazon to see which players are selling the most: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers..._zg_hrsr_e_1_2. Low and behold, the top 3 HD players are each outselling the top 3 Blu-Ray players. And that is as of today, after everyone has proclaimed that HD DVD is dead. How can this be? The reason is simple, and is the reason HD is clear choice for consumers, producers, and retailers since the beginning: price. HD DVD is based on the existing DVD technology, so manufacturing the drives and discs is cheaper. So, while Blu-Ray was able to gain a majority share of the disc sales by focusing on niche titles that catered to early adopters, HD DVD is catering to your average Joe, who has consistently chosen HD over Blu-Ray at the store, and with the latest drop in HD DVD player and disc prices is continuing to do so. So, why all the noise then from Blu-Ray supporters and headlines decrying that the end is near for HD DVD? Well, the Blu-Ray camp can extrapolate the trends into the future as well as anyone else, and see that once HD DVD reaches main stream adoption it will clearly have an advantage over Blu-Ray, so they are taking their lead in disc sales to claim the game is over despite the fact that consumer has been and continues to choose the HD DVD platform over the Blu-Ray platform when deciding which player to buy. So, it’s great that Blu-Ray early adopters have more money than HD DVD early adopters and have bought more discs as a result, but how is this good for your average consumer, independent producers, or even the market as a whole once high def discs become mainstream. Common sense tells you that if the lower cost alternative for discs and players becomes the standard, then that standard will be adopted more quickly, since people will be able to afford more players and discs. If that is the case, then even if HD DVD drops out of the picture completely, Blu-Ray will not be adopted as rapidly as HD DVD would have due to its price, which is not good for the industry as a whole or consumers. It also isn't good for independent movie producers who also prefer the lowest cost platform, because they are much more sensitive to margin due to their low volumes. So, given that HD DVD is the lower cost platform in terms of costs of discs and players, and given that consumers have been and are continuing to choose HD DVD over Blu-Ray as a platform choice, then why is everyone standing behind Blu-Ray? Those are good questions to ask Wal-Mart, Best Buy, and NetFlix, who surely wouldn't be putting alliances with Blu-Ray ahead of the consumer, would they?

I never knew that the NDP numbers were so wrong

What a tool. He probably works at McDonalds.

[makeusleep]

Originally Posted by ezcobar411

Here is some guy from engadget. truly a shame to read.

R Clark @ Feb 16th 2008 10:02AM

As an owner of both Blu-Ray and HD DVD high def disc players and discs, I am amazed at how retailers and the media have just fallen in line behind Blu-Ray, when this is clearly a situation of the tail wagging the dog, in stark contrast to what the consumer is actually saying, aand goes against the best interests of consumers, independent producers, and the industry as a whole. The headlines that you are not seeing are that the consumer is clearly choosing HD DVD over Blu-Ray as a platform, despite the fact that more Blu-Ray discs have been sold to date. According to NPD, http://www.videobusiness.com/index.a...leid=CA6413168, 8% more HD DVD players were sold than Blu-Ray players over the course of April through December last year. Ah, but that was before Warner Brothers dropped support. Well, let’s look at live data on Amazon to see which players are selling the most: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers..._zg_hrsr_e_1_2. Low and behold, the top 3 HD players are each outselling the top 3 Blu-Ray players. And that is as of today, after everyone has proclaimed that HD DVD is dead. How can this be? The reason is simple, and is the reason HD is clear choice for consumers, producers, and retailers since the beginning: price. HD DVD is based on the existing DVD technology, so manufacturing the drives and discs is cheaper. So, while Blu-Ray was able to gain a majority share of the disc sales by focusing on niche titles that catered to early adopters, HD DVD is catering to your average Joe, who has consistently chosen HD over Blu-Ray at the store, and with the latest drop in HD DVD player and disc prices is continuing to do so. So, why all the noise then from Blu-Ray supporters and headlines decrying that the end is near for HD DVD? Well, the Blu-Ray camp can extrapolate the trends into the future as well as anyone else, and see that once HD DVD reaches main stream adoption it will clearly have an advantage over Blu-Ray, so they are taking their lead in disc sales to claim the game is over despite the fact that consumer has been and continues to choose the HD DVD platform over the Blu-Ray platform when deciding which player to buy. So, it’s great that Blu-Ray early adopters have more money than HD DVD early adopters and have bought more discs as a result, but how is this good for your average consumer, independent producers, or even the market as a whole once high def discs become mainstream. Common sense tells you that if the lower cost alternative for discs and players becomes the standard, then that standard will be adopted more quickly, since people will be able to afford more players and discs. If that is the case, then even if HD DVD drops out of the picture completely, Blu-Ray will not be adopted as rapidly as HD DVD would have due to its price, which is not good for the industry as a whole or consumers. It also isn't good for independent movie producers who also prefer the lowest cost platform, because they are much more sensitive to margin due to their low volumes. So, given that HD DVD is the lower cost platform in terms of costs of discs and players, and given that consumers have been and are continuing to choose HD DVD over Blu-Ray as a platform choice, then why is everyone standing behind Blu-Ray? Those are good questions to ask Wal-Mart, Best Buy, and NetFlix, who surely wouldn't be putting alliances with Blu-Ray ahead of the consumer, would they?

Someone really needs to shoot this guy in the head. The risk of him creating offspring is a huge danger to mankkind.

[Neo65]

Originally Posted by ezcobar411

Here is some guy from engadget. truly a shame to read.

R Clark @ Feb 16th 2008 10:02AM

As an owner of both Blu-Ray and HD DVD high def disc players and discs, I am amazed at how retailers and the media have just fallen in line behind Blu-Ray, ...Yadda Yadda Yadda (edited for clarity)... According to NPD, http://www.videobusiness.com/index.a...leid=CA6413168, 8% more HD DVD players were sold than Blu-Ray players over the course of April through December last year. Ah, but that was before Warner Brothers dropped support. Well, let’s look at live data on Amazon to see which players are selling the most: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers..._zg_hrsr_e_1_2. Low and behold, the top 3 HD players are each outselling the top 3 Blu-Ray players. And that is as of today, after everyone has proclaimed that HD DVD is dead. How can this be?
blah blah blah (further edited for clarity)

I never knew that the NDP numbers were so wrong

He is using numbers from Feb2nd 2007, when BD players had 48% of mkt compared to 52% for Toshiba. And to understand that that was the start of Toshiba's wall of hurt, Toshiba's 4% (no, not 8%) lead was built on top of players that are HALF the street price of the lowest priced BD player in Feb 2007. By Dec 2008, we found out that that BD players now outsold Toshiba (before the warner announcement).

Arguing in this case is meaningless. And inhumane.

[natedog543]

Originally Posted by ezcobar411

Here is some guy from engadget. truly a shame to read.

R Clark @ Feb 16th 2008 10:02AM

As an owner of both Blu-Ray and HD DVD high def disc players and discs, I am amazed at how retailers and the media have just fallen in line behind Blu-Ray, when this is clearly a situation of the tail wagging the dog, in stark contrast to what the consumer is actually saying, aand goes against the best interests of consumers, independent producers, and the industry as a whole. The headlines that you are not seeing are that the consumer is clearly choosing HD DVD over Blu-Ray as a platform, despite the fact that more Blu-Ray discs have been sold to date. According to NPD, http://www.videobusiness.com/index.a...leid=CA6413168, 8% more HD DVD players were sold than Blu-Ray players over the course of April through December last year. Ah, but that was before Warner Brothers dropped support. Well, let’s look at live data on Amazon to see which players are selling the most: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers..._zg_hrsr_e_1_2. Low and behold, the top 3 HD players are each outselling the top 3 Blu-Ray players. And that is as of today, after everyone has proclaimed that HD DVD is dead. How can this be? The reason is simple, and is the reason HD is clear choice for consumers, producers, and retailers since the beginning: price. HD DVD is based on the existing DVD technology, so manufacturing the drives and discs is cheaper. So, while Blu-Ray was able to gain a majority share of the disc sales by focusing on niche titles that catered to early adopters, HD DVD is catering to your average Joe, who has consistently chosen HD over Blu-Ray at the store, and with the latest drop in HD DVD player and disc prices is continuing to do so. So, why all the noise then from Blu-Ray supporters and headlines decrying that the end is near for HD DVD? Well, the Blu-Ray camp can extrapolate the trends into the future as well as anyone else, and see that once HD DVD reaches main stream adoption it will clearly have an advantage over Blu-Ray, so they are taking their lead in disc sales to claim the game is over despite the fact that consumer has been and continues to choose the HD DVD platform over the Blu-Ray platform when deciding which player to buy. So, it’s great that Blu-Ray early adopters have more money than HD DVD early adopters and have bought more discs as a result, but how is this good for your average consumer, independent producers, or even the market as a whole once high def discs become mainstream. Common sense tells you that if the lower cost alternative for discs and players becomes the standard, then that standard will be adopted more quickly, since people will be able to afford more players and discs. If that is the case, then even if HD DVD drops out of the picture completely, Blu-Ray will not be adopted as rapidly as HD DVD would have due to its price, which is not good for the industry as a whole or consumers. It also isn't good for independent movie producers who also prefer the lowest cost platform, because they are much more sensitive to margin due to their low volumes. So, given that HD DVD is the lower cost platform in terms of costs of discs and players, and given that consumers have been and are continuing to choose HD DVD over Blu-Ray as a platform choice, then why is everyone standing behind Blu-Ray? Those are good questions to ask Wal-Mart, Best Buy, and NetFlix, who surely wouldn't be putting alliances with Blu-Ray ahead of the consumer, would they?

I never knew that the NDP numbers were so wrong

... well at 100 bucks a pop, my Blu heart mite just buy one too lmao. it dont mean SH*T!

[EvolutionCherry]

Originally Posted by ezcobar411

Here is some guy from engadget. truly a shame to read.

R Clark @ Feb 16th 2008 10:02AM

As an owner of both Blu-Ray and HD DVD high def disc players and discs, I am amazed at how retailers and the media have just fallen in line behind Blu-Ray, when this is clearly a situation of the tail wagging the dog, in stark contrast to what the consumer is actually saying, aand goes against the best interests of consumers, independent producers, and the industry as a whole. The headlines that you are not seeing are that the consumer is clearly choosing HD DVD over Blu-Ray as a platform, despite the fact that more Blu-Ray discs have been sold to date. According to NPD, http://www.videobusiness.com/index.a...leid=CA6413168, 8% more HD DVD players were sold than Blu-Ray players over the course of April through December last year. Ah, but that was before Warner Brothers dropped support. Well, let’s look at live data on Amazon to see which players are selling the most: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers..._zg_hrsr_e_1_2. Low and behold, the top 3 HD players are each outselling the top 3 Blu-Ray players. And that is as of today, after everyone has proclaimed that HD DVD is dead. How can this be? The reason is simple, and is the reason HD is clear choice for consumers, producers, and retailers since the beginning: price. HD DVD is based on the existing DVD technology, so manufacturing the drives and discs is cheaper. So, while Blu-Ray was able to gain a majority share of the disc sales by focusing on niche titles that catered to early adopters, HD DVD is catering to your average Joe, who has consistently chosen HD over Blu-Ray at the store, and with the latest drop in HD DVD player and disc prices is continuing to do so. So, why all the noise then from Blu-Ray supporters and headlines decrying that the end is near for HD DVD? Well, the Blu-Ray camp can extrapolate the trends into the future as well as anyone else, and see that once HD DVD reaches main stream adoption it will clearly have an advantage over Blu-Ray, so they are taking their lead in disc sales to claim the game is over despite the fact that consumer has been and continues to choose the HD DVD platform over the Blu-Ray platform when deciding which player to buy. So, it’s great that Blu-Ray early adopters have more money than HD DVD early adopters and have bought more discs as a result, but how is this good for your average consumer, independent producers, or even the market as a whole once high def discs become mainstream. Common sense tells you that if the lower cost alternative for discs and players becomes the standard, then that standard will be adopted more quickly, since people will be able to afford more players and discs. If that is the case, then even if HD DVD drops out of the picture completely, Blu-Ray will not be adopted as rapidly as HD DVD would have due to its price, which is not good for the industry as a whole or consumers. It also isn't good for independent movie producers who also prefer the lowest cost platform, because they are much more sensitive to margin due to their low volumes. So, given that HD DVD is the lower cost platform in terms of costs of discs and players, and given that consumers have been and are continuing to choose HD DVD over Blu-Ray as a platform choice, then why is everyone standing behind Blu-Ray? Those are good questions to ask Wal-Mart, Best Buy, and NetFlix, who surely wouldn't be putting alliances with Blu-Ray ahead of the consumer, would they?

I never knew that the NDP numbers were so wrong

Fanboyism at it's worst.

[dadkins]

Originally Posted by Tizflizz

HD-Fan boy: " Toshiba was paid off to end the war so Sony could force their product on us cause they are evil and will bring armageddon upon us all"

I think that should cover it.

What's sad, I could see someone posting that...

[Amel]

95% of them are pathetic

seriously

[PrinceLH]

I've noticed that some of the HD DVD ring leaders have vanished. Anyone see Lee Stewart post, in the last three weeks? Kosty has thrown in the towel and RDjam? Who knows!

[What'sHD]

Originally Posted by PrinceLH

I've noticed that some of the HD DVD ring leaders have vanished. Anyone see Lee Stewart post, in the last three weeks? Kosty has thrown in the towel and RDjam? Who knows!

The BS I saw on AVS before finding this site staggers me still. Based on amir's crap alone, one could write a book. I hope someone writes one about the war.

[Greggy P. Wild]

Originally Posted by PrinceLH

I've noticed that some of the HD DVD ring leaders have vanished. Anyone see Lee Stewart post, in the last three weeks? Kosty has thrown in the towel and RDjam? Who knows!

Once those checks from Toshiba stopped rolling in, Lee Stewart crawled back into the hole from whence he came.

The guy was obviously a paid shill.

[unreal1080p]

I wonder if they'll take them back with open arms at



they escaped from in April 2006

[quaylie]

wow..if he even really supports Blu..he doesn't sound purple..he sounds magenta to me..i'm coining that here and now..people that have both but like HD DVD better=magenta.