The red ants are blowing a fuse

[GORT]

I was just on amazon ordering some movies and the DUD fanboys are loosing there minds in the blu threads there.

[ezcobar411]

poor poor babies, they need their kool-aid bottles refilled. Sadly, it has been reported that Toshy has ceased production of that too

[xtop]

i'm curious to see quotes of what they're claiming now. where are all the threads of the funny responses!

[Irrob]

Originally Posted by xtop

i'm curious to see quotes of what they're claiming now. where are all the threads of the funny responses!

yea, I can use the laughs.

[Tizflizz]

HD-Fan boy: " Toshiba was paid off to end the war so Sony could force their product on us cause they are evil and will bring armageddon upon us all"

I think that should cover it.

[ezcobar411]

Here is some guy from engadget. truly a shame to read.

R Clark @ Feb 16th 2008 10:02AM

As an owner of both Blu-Ray and HD DVD high def disc players and discs, I am amazed at how retailers and the media have just fallen in line behind Blu-Ray, when this is clearly a situation of the tail wagging the dog, in stark contrast to what the consumer is actually saying, aand goes against the best interests of consumers, independent producers, and the industry as a whole. The headlines that you are not seeing are that the consumer is clearly choosing HD DVD over Blu-Ray as a platform, despite the fact that more Blu-Ray discs have been sold to date. According to NPD, http://www.videobusiness.com/index.a...leid=CA6413168, 8% more HD DVD players were sold than Blu-Ray players over the course of April through December last year. Ah, but that was before Warner Brothers dropped support. Well, let’s look at live data on Amazon to see which players are selling the most: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers..._zg_hrsr_e_1_2. Low and behold, the top 3 HD players are each outselling the top 3 Blu-Ray players. And that is as of today, after everyone has proclaimed that HD DVD is dead. How can this be? The reason is simple, and is the reason HD is clear choice for consumers, producers, and retailers since the beginning: price. HD DVD is based on the existing DVD technology, so manufacturing the drives and discs is cheaper. So, while Blu-Ray was able to gain a majority share of the disc sales by focusing on niche titles that catered to early adopters, HD DVD is catering to your average Joe, who has consistently chosen HD over Blu-Ray at the store, and with the latest drop in HD DVD player and disc prices is continuing to do so. So, why all the noise then from Blu-Ray supporters and headlines decrying that the end is near for HD DVD? Well, the Blu-Ray camp can extrapolate the trends into the future as well as anyone else, and see that once HD DVD reaches main stream adoption it will clearly have an advantage over Blu-Ray, so they are taking their lead in disc sales to claim the game is over despite the fact that consumer has been and continues to choose the HD DVD platform over the Blu-Ray platform when deciding which player to buy. So, it’s great that Blu-Ray early adopters have more money than HD DVD early adopters and have bought more discs as a result, but how is this good for your average consumer, independent producers, or even the market as a whole once high def discs become mainstream. Common sense tells you that if the lower cost alternative for discs and players becomes the standard, then that standard will be adopted more quickly, since people will be able to afford more players and discs. If that is the case, then even if HD DVD drops out of the picture completely, Blu-Ray will not be adopted as rapidly as HD DVD would have due to its price, which is not good for the industry as a whole or consumers. It also isn't good for independent movie producers who also prefer the lowest cost platform, because they are much more sensitive to margin due to their low volumes. So, given that HD DVD is the lower cost platform in terms of costs of discs and players, and given that consumers have been and are continuing to choose HD DVD over Blu-Ray as a platform choice, then why is everyone standing behind Blu-Ray? Those are good questions to ask Wal-Mart, Best Buy, and NetFlix, who surely wouldn't be putting alliances with Blu-Ray ahead of the consumer, would they?

I never knew that the NDP numbers were so wrong

[dadkins]

Originally Posted by Tizflizz

HD-Fan boy: " Toshiba was paid off to end the war so Sony could force their product on us cause they are evil and will bring armageddon upon us all"

I think that should cover it.

What's sad, I could see someone posting that...

[PrinceLH]

I've noticed that some of the HD DVD ring leaders have vanished. Anyone see Lee Stewart post, in the last three weeks? Kosty has thrown in the towel and RDjam? Who knows!

[Amel]

95% of them are pathetic

seriously

[xtop]

lmao. see thats what i'm talking about! its hilarious how people say they support both, yet ***** because hd dvd is dying. as if somehow its going against what the consumer is picking. blu-ray sold more but not because its what the consumer wanted? wtf. where's the logic there

[sj001]

This is all so pathetic, the fact that there are still even Red Ants out there surprises me. HD-DVD has imploded, and imploded very rapidly. There is nothing more to it. It's done.

[xtop]

they've got one thing going for them. prices. i mean damn..those players and movies are getting dirt cheap

[ezcobar411]

Originally Posted by xtop

lmao. see thats what i'm talking about! its hilarious how people say they support both, yet ***** because hd dvd is dying. as if somehow its going against what the consumer is picking. blu-ray sold more but not because its what the consumer wanted? wtf. where's the logic there

Exactly, I hate when people just don't have the gumption/courage to just say I like HD DVd and I wanted it to win. To say that I own both, but then proceed to spread lies and all sorts of misinformation is ridiculous. Well come June, when all of the movies are released exclusively on Blu and DVD, because who will be making HD DVD after toshy pulls the plug, these "neutrals will turn blu.

[bassbone57]

Originally Posted by ezcobar411

Here is some guy from engadget. truly a shame to read.

R Clark @ Feb 16th 2008 10:02AM

As an owner of both Blu-Ray and HD DVD high def disc players and discs, I am amazed at how retailers and the media have just fallen in line behind Blu-Ray, when this is clearly a situation of the tail wagging the dog, in stark contrast to what the consumer is actually saying, aand goes against the best interests of consumers, independent producers, and the industry as a whole. The headlines that you are not seeing are that the consumer is clearly choosing HD DVD over Blu-Ray as a platform, despite the fact that more Blu-Ray discs have been sold to date. According to NPD, http://www.videobusiness.com/index.a...leid=CA6413168, 8% more HD DVD players were sold than Blu-Ray players over the course of April through December last year. Ah, but that was before Warner Brothers dropped support. Well, let’s look at live data on Amazon to see which players are selling the most: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers..._zg_hrsr_e_1_2. Low and behold, the top 3 HD players are each outselling the top 3 Blu-Ray players. And that is as of today, after everyone has proclaimed that HD DVD is dead. How can this be? The reason is simple, and is the reason HD is clear choice for consumers, producers, and retailers since the beginning: price. HD DVD is based on the existing DVD technology, so manufacturing the drives and discs is cheaper. So, while Blu-Ray was able to gain a majority share of the disc sales by focusing on niche titles that catered to early adopters, HD DVD is catering to your average Joe, who has consistently chosen HD over Blu-Ray at the store, and with the latest drop in HD DVD player and disc prices is continuing to do so. So, why all the noise then from Blu-Ray supporters and headlines decrying that the end is near for HD DVD? Well, the Blu-Ray camp can extrapolate the trends into the future as well as anyone else, and see that once HD DVD reaches main stream adoption it will clearly have an advantage over Blu-Ray, so they are taking their lead in disc sales to claim the game is over despite the fact that consumer has been and continues to choose the HD DVD platform over the Blu-Ray platform when deciding which player to buy. So, it’s great that Blu-Ray early adopters have more money than HD DVD early adopters and have bought more discs as a result, but how is this good for your average consumer, independent producers, or even the market as a whole once high def discs become mainstream. Common sense tells you that if the lower cost alternative for discs and players becomes the standard, then that standard will be adopted more quickly, since people will be able to afford more players and discs. If that is the case, then even if HD DVD drops out of the picture completely, Blu-Ray will not be adopted as rapidly as HD DVD would have due to its price, which is not good for the industry as a whole or consumers. It also isn't good for independent movie producers who also prefer the lowest cost platform, because they are much more sensitive to margin due to their low volumes. So, given that HD DVD is the lower cost platform in terms of costs of discs and players, and given that consumers have been and are continuing to choose HD DVD over Blu-Ray as a platform choice, then why is everyone standing behind Blu-Ray? Those are good questions to ask Wal-Mart, Best Buy, and NetFlix, who surely wouldn't be putting alliances with Blu-Ray ahead of the consumer, would they?

I never knew that the NDP numbers were so wrong

That's just sad.

-K

[unreal1080p]

I wonder if they'll take them back with open arms at



they escaped from in April 2006

[quaylie]

wow..if he even really supports Blu..he doesn't sound purple..he sounds magenta to me..i'm coining that here and now..people that have both but like HD DVD better=magenta.

[ezcobar411]

Originally Posted by quaylie

wow..if he even really supports Blu..he doesn't sound purple..he sounds magenta to me..i'm coining that here and now..people that have both but like HD DVD better=magenta.

good work, I've always hated magenta

[Blu Falcon]

Here are some quotes from those still holding on to hope...

Based on current numbers this is a full on possibility. HD DVD is making strong gains in unit sales and with the couple of sales on discs lately, they've pushed bluray off the top sellers lists. This is a good sign and if sustained will very likely help a return to neutrality. Really though, I just want to make sure Paramount and Universal stay onboard throughout the year as by then the Ps3 will have hit market saturation and you'll see a huge decline in bluray adoption. This is a natural drawback of basing a format off of a game system (especially the bottom machine on the totem pole). Also, Paramount and Universal have almost all the titles I want for 2008 (minus warners I AM LEGEND and DARK KNIGHT) so I'll be plenty happy with my 2 primary studios of HD content. (Cloverfield, Iron Man, Heroes Season II, etc...).

I Hope you are right. If enough people now buy HD players (great pricing) then I'm sure the studios might rethink all that money they are losing!

The more HD-DVD players sold the higher the demand for HD-Dvd's. This will make it more difficult for the studios to ignore. Who knows how long the studio endorsements, or contractual obligations will last? Thats why the dedicated blu fans want it to end now. The more time that passes only goes in HD-DVD's favor.

I'm not anti-blu ray just pro-choice.
Let the studios know you are pro-choice.....Don't let them choose for you.

It's all about the stand-alone player, since the adopters will WANT content. as the PS3 gets some games in the coming months, the console owners attention will shift off movies, and onto games, which will provide HD-DVD an opportunity to slip in and make some gains. Here's the thing, with next-gen games running at $59.99 and up, it's kinda hard to pick up 2 games and several brd movies...so...you get budget your $$$ for your priority, which will shift togames as MGS4 comes online, GTA4, and several other potential big games...it's already started with Devil May Cry 4. Toshiba and it's supporters realize this, and had better be ready to exploit this weakness in Sony's strategy. This factor, and the launching of CH-DVD in China can provide a serious boost to the format's chances.

I LOVE MY HD DVD PLAYER CANT WAIT UNTIL WE GET OUR STUDIOS BACK

Just to list a few.

[unreal1080p]

Truth Teller over @ engadgethd

Truth Teller
@ Feb 16th 2008 10:39AM
Oh well (if it's true) it was fun while it lasted
(and I shall have a stack of heavily discounted HD DVDs to buy in the coming months).

Poor old consumer tho, the worst format won - tho happily it will not be braking out of the niche and no-one but the PS3 kids will ever care much about it.

You'll be sorry.

I myself will stick to HD TV & my DVR
(which are going to be the real winners this time around),
my HD DVDs,
upscaling my SD DVDs
(which are going to see off Blu-ray no matter what anyways) and
downloading
(where approx 400+ of your beloved Blu-ray catalogue is now available).

I don't need and I will not give Blu-ray a dime
(but thank you for helping to fund my high def movies :P ).

[quaylie]

Originally Posted by Blu Falcon

Here are some quotes from those still holding on to hope...











Just to list a few.

are these recent? like after wal-marts announcement?...if so..i'm amazed there are thick headed people like that out there.