Star Trek Directors vs. Theatrical

[borninusa]

Okay...I know there are a few Trek threads out there...but I have one question and am not sure if its included in another thread (I did look)

ARe there any webpages that show the difference in the Directors Cuts and the Theatrical Cuts of the original cast Trek flicks.

I havent viewed them in a long time and honestly dont remember what the differences are. I dont know if I want to plunk down $75 or so bucks to get the movies as of yet.

[Batman1980]

Look in the Bill Hunt and Jeff Kleist thread, we've been hitting that very topic a lot lately.

[borninusa]

Thanx for the info.

...but back to the original question....does anyone know of any webpages that show or describe the differences between the DC and the TC?
Its more of a curious thing for like I said, I havent watched them in so long...I cant remember what the differences would be.

[Bolty]

I don't know of a site, but I know the changes by heart.....

For Trek II their are 8 changes that amount to 3 min 30 sec.

1. Extension of Kirk/McCoy talking about glasses.
2. Intro of Preston as Scott's nephew in engineering alternate extended take.
3. Extension of Chekov and Carol talking about the order to take Genesis
4. Alternate extended take of carol preparing to hide Genesis from Chekov (Khan)
5. Extension of Spock/McCoy debating Genesis
6. Extension of Preston's death & Kirk/McCoy discussing Khan etc
7. Kirk telling Spock that David is his son in the 'Jeffries' tube.
8. Kirk & Spock telling Saavik about the 'human ego'.

For Trek VI there are 4 changes that amount to 3 min 26 seconds.

1. The Operation Retrieve sequence in the presidents office with Sarek Col West, the CinC & Ad Cartwright
2. Spock, Scott & Valeris in the torbedo storage bay discussing the new Klingon Chancellor.
3. Scott in the dining hall looking at blueprints (no dialogue)
4. The unmasking of the shooter, exposed as Col. West

All the pre-2002 versions of Trek VI were extended by 3 min 22 seconds.
They did not contain the shot of Scott in the dining room.
The 2002 release added that shot and also added alternate shots of McCoy & Kirk during Valeris' interogation. Also added were shots of the conspirators as Valeris says their names. These alternate shots did not extend the running time as they were frame for frame replacements of other shots.

The new blu-ray releases coming May 12 will not contain ANY of these scenes i have listed. (Including the previous additions to Trek VI)

The Trek I versions are so diiferent as to make a list nearly impossible.
In general about 4 minutes of footage was cut from the theatrical in the Director's cut. Then about 4 minutes were added to the movie of mostly character bits (Spock crying, Kirk ordering destruct etc.) Some new FX were added to the Dir. cut along with a lot of new sound FX. A longer opening music entre' acte was added and the DC has longer end credits as well. The credits were changed from white lettering to gold.
The DC is actually 4 min longer than the theatrical, but seems shorter because the scenes that were cut were mostly non dialogue FX flyby shots and the scenes added in were character driven dialogue stuff.

And once again the theatrical version is the only version being released in this first Blu-ray release.

Fans of the Dir cuts (like myself) are praying for a second release of the series with deleted scenes from Treks 2, 3, 4 & 6 along with the Director cuts of 1, 2 & 6 of course.

I will be buying the smaller 2, 3 & 4 'trilogy' blu-ray pack and holding off on the rest until any Dir cut set.

[Prometheus59650]

Originally Posted by borninusa

Thanx for the info.

...but back to the original question....does anyone know of any webpages that show or describe the differences between the DC and the TC?
Its more of a curious thing for like I said, I havent watched them in so long...I cant remember what the differences would be.

I don' know of any specific pages, but as a lifelong Trekker...off the top of my head:

FX shots:

- A new CGI opening shot on Vulcan.

- At Spock, Kirk, & McCoy's first meeting where the window once showed a starfield now has a view of the nacelles

- A shot of V'Ger's second torpedo attack on the E that shows the topedo disintegrating.

- The soundstage scaffolding that's painfully evident as Kirk steps out for his spacewalk has been fixed.

- Shot of a bridge being created between the E and V'Ger that the crew walks accross. Another shot of it and them moving as they escape.

A new audio track that basically consists of new 'computer' sounds for the ship.

- Some scenes slightly edited.

The TC is also missing the scene where Spock gives his "I weep for V'Ger as I would a brother." speech.

Trek II: DE extensions.

Most are very small, and quite frankly, I think are better off gone.

- During Kirk's inspection tour, he's introduced to Midshipman Preston. This is fast in the TC. In the DE we hear him suggest that Kirk is as blind as a Tiberian Bat and we learn he's Scotty's nephew.

- The DE extends the argument between Kirk and McCoy about Genesis. In the TC there is no exchange from McCoy, "In the wrong hands? You mind telling who's the RIGHT hands my logical friend?"

- In the TC after Scott's nephew dies the scene ends immediately after Scotty's, "He stayed at his post when the trainees ran." There's no him asking Kirk why or Kirk's response.

- In the DE as Kirk makes his way to the bridge after being beamed back from the Genesis cave we see him climb through the same ladder area that Spock later uses to get to Engineering telling Spock, "That young man is my son." That is not in the TC.

The only other difference in any of the films is in The Undiscovered Country there's a scene, I believe it's just before Kirk's trial, where Valeris slides down a fireman's pole and she Spock and Scotty have a talk in the Torpedo Room. That's not in the TC.

Hope this helped a little.

[borninusa]

Wow..thanx for the 2 post. That helped a lot

To be honest, I dont know if I would even care if I had the DC on any of the movies. I still have the dvd's from the last round that was released. I am just excited to see any of the flicks in HD ('specially Khan).

I think I will be happy w/ the set when it comes out

[Prometheus59650]

Originally Posted by borninusa

Wow..thanx for the 2 post. That helped a lot

To be honest, I dont know if I would even care if I had the DC on any of the movies. I still have the dvd's from the last round that was released. I am just excited to see any of the flicks in HD ('specially Khan).

I think I will be happy w/ the set when it comes out

I think you will, too. I got an advance hint from Bill Hunt that his sources say the films are looking great and sounding even better.

The TMP DE on Blu is the only thing I would re-buy. Most of the changes to Khan are really unnecessary. While I like the extended chat between Spock and Bones re: Genesis. I don't need it. The rest of the changes there are basically pointless.

[davidthenikonuser]

Originally Posted by borninusa

Okay...I know there are a few Trek threads out there...but I have one question and am not sure if its included in another thread (I did look)

ARe there any webpages that show the difference in the Directors Cuts and the Theatrical Cuts of the original cast Trek flicks.

I havent viewed them in a long time and honestly dont remember what the differences are. I dont know if I want to plunk down $75 or so bucks to get the movies as of yet.

best place is imdb.com look up the movie and click on the Alternate versions link.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by borninusa

Okay...I know there are a few Trek threads out there...but I have one question and am not sure if its included in another thread (I did look)

ARe there any webpages that show the difference in the Directors Cuts and the Theatrical Cuts of the original cast Trek flicks.

I havent viewed them in a long time and honestly dont remember what the differences are. I dont know if I want to plunk down $75 or so bucks to get the movies as of yet.

here:
http://movie-censorship.com/