If combo players were to become the norm would neutral studios go format exclusive?

[HDTV1080P]

Paramount should have used a 50GB disc for Coming to America so higher bit rates could have been used. The HD-DVD format had 5GB more of space to work with since Paramount only did a 25GB disc release for BLU-RAY.

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“Proving once again that not all high-def transfers are created equal, 'Coming to America' comes to Blu-ray using the AVC MPEG-4 codec, and to HD DVD using the VC-1. While more often than not, the results of such split transfers are negligible, in this case, the HD DVD VC-1 transfer has slightly richer colors and sharper details than its Blu-ray AVC counterpart.”
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/comingtoamerica.html

The bad thing about combo players:
If combo players become very popular then people might just start buying the Warner and Paramount releases on HD-DVD if the BLU-RAY releases from Warner and Paramount are not as good of quality. Combo players if they became the norm one day then this could cause Warner and Paramount to one day only release in the HD-DVD format. Of course the average consumer is not educated that some Warner and Paramount titles in the HD-DVD format are slightly better quality sometimes in the areas of video and audio. Sometimes the BLU-RAY disc is better quality.
** At the very minimum format neutral studios should release the same picture and sound track on the BLU-RAY disc. Of course I hope one day Paramount and Warner will take advantage of the better quality BLU-RAY format and release higher bit rate movies on 50GB discs not just using 30GB of the 50GB discs. **

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

** At the very minimum format neutral studios should release the same picture and sound track on the BLU-RAY disc. Of course I hope one day Paramount and Warner will take advantage of the better quality BLU-RAY format and release higher bit rate movies on 50GB discs not just using 30GB of the 50GB discs. **

I agree and we see it again with the crap job they did with Blood Diamond. I have stopped buying WB products until they do it right.

A different studio that properly supports BD will be getting my $.

[GoldenRedux]

Let me get this straight, you guys are buying into both a review and a line of FUD from the famously pro-HD DVD High-Def Digest website? Give me a break.

[Josh]

Paramount used a BD-50 for Trading Places. How is that showing they might go HD DVD Exclusive?

Warner is re-releasing Superman with PCM and TrueHD for Blu-ray. How is that showing they might go HD DVD Exclusive?

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by GoldenRedux

Let me get this straight, you guys are buying into both a review and a line of FUD from the famously pro-HD DVD High-Def Digest website? Give me a break.

??? I am not buying into any FUD - I am not buying badly encoded movies....

[Spankey]

Nothing about this shows Paramount or Warner going HD-DVD exclusive. We have known all along that Warner is catering to the lowest common denominator and will do minimal work when prepping a disc for Blu-ray. Something tells me the Blood Diamond HD-DVD will look the same as the BD with the inclusion if IME. If anything this clearly shows the superiority and necessity of 50gb Blu-ray discs.

I said it in the other thread and I'll say it here as well. Why did Paramount not use VC-1 for Coming to American on Blu-ray? Could it be that AVC produces a better picture than VC-1 given a 25gb disc limitation?

Thankfully, both of these discs were not really on my radar. Both these discs will still probably sell better on Blu-ray anyway.

[Chris Beveridge]

Please stop using red and bold so much. Please. It basically tells me to not read your posts.

Simple text like everyone else is a far better way to communicate.

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

??? I am not buying into any FUD - I am not buying badly encoded movies....

Have you seen the disc, or are you just buying into one bad review from a blatantly pro-HD DVD biased site?

Here's some food for thought:

You automatically believe a review that tells you the HD DVD is better because it uses VC-1 on a 30GB disc and the BD is only a BD25. Did you stop to think that A) the BD is using a different codec AVC/Mpeg4 and B) the BD is also only using a 640kbps DD soundtrack? The HD DVD is using a DD+ soundtrack at 1.5Mb/s which is gobbling up more capacity and bandwidth. So, it all evens out. Don't be so quick to believe the FUD.

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by Chris Beveridge

Please stop using red and bold so much. Please. It basically tells me to not read your posts.

Simple text like everyone else is a far better way to communicate.

I second this.

[Jazar]

Originally Posted by GoldenRedux

I second this.

Third'ed. Your input is more then welcome without the need to "spice it up" with fonts and colors.

[BLu-Balls]

Has anyone here actually seen the Blood Diamond and Coming to America Transfers to BD yet? Don't knock it until you've seen it with your own eyes on your own HD set.

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by GoldenRedux

Have you seen the disc, or are you just buying into one bad review from a blatantly pro-HD DVD biased site?

Here's some food for thought:

You automatically believe a review that tells you the HD DVD is better because it uses VC-1 on a 30GB disc and the BD is only a BD25. Did you stop to think that A) the BD is using a different codec AVC/Mpeg4 and B) the BD is also only using a 640kbps DD soundtrack? The HD DVD is using a DD+ soundtrack at 1.5Mb/s which is gobbling up more capacity and bandwidth. So, it all evens out. Don't be so quick to believe the FUD.

Ummm - I think you miss read my post....

A) - I was talking about Blood Diamond. I simply said low bite rate encodes are not acceptable from WB and Blood Diamond is a perfect example of this. Blood Diamond went from a blind buy to a rental for me.

B) - where did I say that I believe the HD DVD is better??? I think the HD DVD will be the SAME because we all know that BD is getting HD DVD encodes ported to BD. We SHOULD be getting high bit rate encodes specific for BD.

C) I don't believe the FUD and never will. If the BD is only a BD25 I would be asking why didn't they use a BD50 with a high bit rate video encode and put a LPCM soundtrack on it???? <--- THAT to me is a true BD version....

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

Ummm - I think you miss read my post....

A) - I was talking about Blood Diamond. I simply said low bite rate encodes are not acceptable from WB and Blood Diamond is a perfect example of this. Blood Diamond went from a blind buy to a rental for me.

B) - where did I say that I believe the HD DVD is better??? I think the HD DVD will be the SAME because we all know that BD is getting HD DVD encodes ported to BD. We SHOULD be getting high bit rate encodes specific for BD.

C) I don't believe the FUD and never will. If the BD is only a BD25 I would be asking why didn't they use a BD50 with a high bit rate video encode and put a LPCM soundtrack on it???? <--- THAT to me is a true BD version....

My apologies. I thought you were agreeing with the original post about Coming to America, which is complete FUD, IMO. I agree about Blood Diamond - sad.

[MatrixS2000]

No worries....

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

No worries....

[KenThompson]

Trading Places got a very good review and I for one will be getting this title. Its never looked better.

[dialog_gvf]

If combo players become very popular...

Not happening so far.

Gary

[Scorxpion]

Paramount was doing great JOB for BD and i believe it can.Most of their titles lately are BD-50 equally to HD-DVD PQ or even if not they are better .Why they Choose to release a BD-25 and lower AVC bit rate only for this release this is a question hopefully Paramount will answer us.

Warner Bros it is another case with BD experience,they are doing copy paste from HD-DVD specs till now.

[GoldenRedux]

Originally Posted by Scorxpion

Paramount was doing great JOB for BD and i believe it can.Most of their titles lately are BD-50 equally to HD-DVD PQ or even if not they are better .Why they Choose to release a BD-25 and lower AVC bit rate only for this release this is a question hopefully Paramount will answer us.

Warner Bros it is another case with BD experience,they are doing copy paste from HD-DVD specs till now.

Here's some food for thought:

You automatically believe a review that tells you the HD DVD is better because it uses VC-1 on a 30GB disc and the BD is only a BD25. Did you stop to think that A) the BD is using a different codec AVC/Mpeg4 and B) the BD is also only using a 640kbps DD soundtrack? The HD DVD is using a DD+ soundtrack at 1.5Mb/s which is gobbling up more capacity and bandwidth. So, it all evens out. Don't be so quick to believe the FUD.

[Scorxpion]

Originally Posted by GoldenRedux

Hi,

i dont believe in highdefdigest at all,but i read the review of this title last week on hometheaterspot.com reviewed by David.So i guess using a BD-25 it was the case why David prefer a little bit the HD-DVD version.David doesnt mean it and i'm guessing it right now

Whereas we have AVC codecs titles are better than the HD-DVD VC-1 itself.

For example :All sony titles done using AVC bitrate are gorgeous,the one Done by Disney are gorgeous,Mpeg2,AVC titles done by Paramount lately using BD-50 like Flags of our father are gorgeous too.Just asking myself why this specific title got a little bad review and let THE HD-DVD ZEALOTS attacking Blu-ray saying VC-1 beats AVC.So i want a clear answer from Paramount the case is BD-25 and if they used a BD-50 higher bit rate the result will change or keep the same?