Two Face still alive?

[Sussudio]

based on dark knight script he's dead. i read this news earlier today too and decided not to post it because the press are just grasping at anything now and it's ridiculous. nolan hasn't written batman 3 yet, he doesn't know who he's using, nothing is confirmed. case closed. (just me..)

[assydingo]

Originally Posted by Crim122

I really hope he comes back, because Eckhart is the man.

I concur.

[Blurayne]

I think he's dead.

[toef]

Originally Posted by eagle_fan_05

If that were the case, Bernie Mac's last movie would have made a ton don't you think? He died before his film with Samuel L. Jackson was released. How much did it make? I can't even remember the name of the movie so I dunno? Batman Begins didn't do big it's first few weeks but word of mouth got around and it picked up steam and a lot of people pruchased the DVD because word of mouth. Everyone saw a new and improved Batman and thus, started building up the hype for the next one, especially with the cliffhanger of Gordon reaching Batman the Joker card and saying that he would look into it. That is what started the hype for TDK.

No. The only people who see Bernie Mac movies are Bernie Mac fans. The only people who would go see his last movie because he died were people who liked him (Bernie Mac fans).

With TDK, there are two different sets of people brought together. Young males, who planned on seeing the movie, and then a whole bunch of females who loved Heath Ledger since 10 Things I Hate About You.

I agree that Heath's passing isn't solely responsible for the movie doing so well, but I do know people who would've ignored the movie as another random action movie, but saw it after being intrigued about Ledger.

If nothing else, Ledger's death created more buzz around the movie, which you can't say didn't help it do as well as it did.

[assydingo]

Originally Posted by toefer

No. The only people who see Bernie Mac movies are Bernie Mac fans. The only people who would go see his last movie because he died were people who liked him (Bernie Mac fans).

With TDK, there are two different sets of people brought together. Young males, who planned on seeing the movie, and then a whole bunch of females who loved Heath Ledger since 10 Things I Hate About You.

I agree that Heath's passing isn't solely responsible for the movie doing so well, but I do know people who would've ignored the movie as another random action movie, but saw it after being intrigued about Ledger.

If nothing else, Ledger's death created more buzz around the movie, which you can't say didn't help it do as well as it did.

I'm a guy that liked him since 10 Things I Hate About You...

I would have watched it for that if I wasn't already a huge batman fan.

[thedarkangel1975]

Originally Posted by _Bolt_

Aaron Eckhart Hints at Harvey Two-Face Return?

Here is the interview with Eckhart in September

This was from last night

I can see him in a flash back.

[UK_fan_05]

Originally Posted by toefer

No. The only people who see Bernie Mac movies are Bernie Mac fans. The only people who would go see his last movie because he died were people who liked him (Bernie Mac fans).

With TDK, there are two different sets of people brought together. Young males, who planned on seeing the movie, and then a whole bunch of females who loved Heath Ledger since 10 Things I Hate About You.

I agree that Heath's passing isn't solely responsible for the movie doing so well, but I do know people who would've ignored the movie as another random action movie, but saw it after being intrigued about Ledger.

If nothing else, Ledger's death created more buzz around the movie, which you can't say didn't help it do as well as it did.

Nah, the fans made the movie do as well as it did. The Batman Begins fans, the comic book fans, the action movie fans, all Batman fans in general are what pushed TDK to the millions it made. Countless people going multiple times to see the movie, some alone, and some bringing people who have already seen the movie go again. I went several times, 4 I think, to see the movie. It was remarkable. Just because some people know a handful of people who only saw it because of Ledger's death doesn't speak for the entire audience that went to see it. Can't really prove one way right from the other because there are no statistics to show who went and how many times etc. I still believe and always will that it was the fans who made TDK what it was. Not people who only wanted to see if because of Ledger's death.

[tlmaclennan]

Originally Posted by dvd_mazter

Yeah, I figured Two-Face would be alive. There were little hints to he was alive (i.e the coin landing good side up and the fact that Batman felt didn't die from the same distance) I hope Eckhart returns, he did a great job with the character and I wanted to see more of Two-Face.

Of course Batman could survive the fall, he has the armor. I don't believe body armor could help you that much if you fell from those heights, but the movie implies that his armor is quite strong. Why do you think he was able to fall from his penthouse when saving Rachel?

Definitely an unrealistic moment, but the point is that Batman can take the force from the fall. Two face is dead.

[Sylin]

Originally Posted by tlmaclennan

Two face is dead.

Yep, definitely dead.

As a comic book fan for life, I can see why fans romanticize about bringing Two Face back for another film. We're programmed to expect it. Comics are ongoing, and constantly need monthly stories and long arcs to keep things interesting. Fan-favorite characters (heroes and villains) rarely, if ever, TRULY die, which is the bittersweet reality of the medium.

But films are different. Nolan knows there are, at most, 3-4 Batman films in this current reinvention/re-imagining with Bale. As such, he doesn't need to re-hash the same villains over and over again. It's pointless. Another movie with Two Face would only make it seem like he was milking TDK, and that's definitely not going to happen.

Any comments made by Eckhart are strictly to (a) keep fans in expectation, (b) keep him in the good graces of Nolan and WB for bolstering hype in their property, and (c) continue his "cred" and maintain his status as a bankable actor. There's nothing negative about any of those--Hollywood has been doing this since silent films.

Personally, we've had a LOT of mobster/organized crime themes in these latest 2 films, so in the next Batman I'd like to see a little bit more hero-v-villain. Did anyone see The Batman cartoon where the Riddler sends him on a treasure hunt across Gotham, and had the whole thing televised, and some people were rooting for the Riddler and others for Batman? Given that Bats is not in Gotham's good graces right now, that could be an interesting premise, or at least Act I, of the next film. Cast some skinny, maniacal, Marilyn Manson look-alike for Riddler (a la the new cartoon version) and it'd be great.

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by J_UNTITLED

Why is Catwoman at all iffy? I'm of course not referring to the Tim Burton-version, of course which is pure fantasy due to the way she is... you know, "revived."

I just have a hard time picturing her in the Nolan movies, especially after the Halle Berry debacle. I'm not saying it can't be done. In fact, I can think of several ways she could work myself. And of course, for all we know, a third movie may not have the same "quasi-grounded" feel that the Dark Knight did. It could be more like Batman Begins or even something entirely different altogether.

You know what? I'm just rambling. I'm sure they could pull her off successfully if they wanted to.

[drichter33]

well, everyone on the net harps on his face and whether or not his eyes are shut, etc.

but, during the Commissioner Gordon narrative that leads to the ending credits, they show a memorial service by the Mayor for Dent. What did they put in the coffin then?

doubt that would go unnoticed

so he has to be dead based on that, and all the interviews


Bring on a conniving Riddler that sends batman all over the city and and challenges his intellect with all sorts of twisted puzzles

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by eagle_fan_05

Nah, the fans made the movie do as well as it did. The Batman Begins fans, the comic book fans, the action movie fans, all Batman fans in general are what pushed TDK to the millions it made. Countless people going multiple times to see the movie, some alone, and some bringing people who have already seen the movie go again. I went several times, 4 I think, to see the movie. It was remarkable. Just because some people know a handful of people who only saw it because of Ledger's death doesn't speak for the entire audience that went to see it. Can't really prove one way right from the other because there are no statistics to show who went and how many times etc. I still believe and always will that it was the fans who made TDK what it was. Not people who only wanted to see if because of Ledger's death.

fans couldn't drive this movie to this kind of success. if that were the case then batman begins would've pulled in larger numbers. this is a huge movie. more huge the original batman movie that started it all. and that movie broke records and was sold out for weeks. the dark knight had more than just fans seeing it. fans alone cannot pull in this kind of bank. this is beyond the fans.

[UK_fan_05]

Originally Posted by fighthefutureofhd

fans couldn't drive this movie to this kind of success. if that were the case then batman begins would've pulled in larger numbers. this is a huge movie. more huge the original batman movie that started it all. and that movie broke records and was sold out for weeks. the dark knight had more than just fans seeing it. fans alone cannot pull in this kind of bank. this is beyond the fans.

Begins success came from word of mouth. People were skeptical about seeing it, since Batman and Robin flopped. Batman begins picked up after it's first weekend mostly due by people talking about how good it was. DVD sales were up on Batman Begins, yet again, spreading the word of mouth. Fans is what done this movie in. Action fans, Batman fans, and comic book fans are what got this movie to the level it was at, with multiple people going to see it.

[matthieuxdetoux]

Originally Posted by andyman1970

I really wish they would find a way to use Two-Face again, but I'm sure they won't Either way if Nolan decides to use Riddler or Catwoman in the next film I'm skipping it. I'd rather see the Ventriloquist the one of those 2. At least he' be a little more realistic.

I have thrown this around on the internet a few times but I will see if it sticks here.

Did anyone else notice that the Wayne emplyee who tried to blackmail Bruce was named Mr. Reese? Like as in Mysteries? Which is not too far off from E. Nigma.

Just a thought.

[Sussudio]

Originally Posted by matthieuxdetoux

I have thrown this around on the internet a few times but I will see if it sticks here.

Did anyone else notice that the Wayne emplyee who tried to blackmail Bruce was named Mr. Reese? Like as in Mysteries? Which is not too far off from E. Nigma.

Just a thought.

god that guy better not become the riddler. he was too much of a wimp

also, for everyone that question's two face's outcome, if you read the official script it states (direct quote from script):

[Show spoiler]All three of them VANISH over the edge. A TERRIBLE CRASH
then silence, but for the sound of DENT'S COIN, SPINNING on
the floor at the edge of the hole.
Gordon, horrified, RUNS to the edge- peers down-
Dent lies at the bottom of the hole, his neck broken. DEAD.
The coin stops spinning, GOOD SIDE UP.

we all know scripts can change, but just fyi that's what it says, meaning Nolan did intend to

[Show spoiler] kill off Two-Face

i dont even know why im using spoilers. i assume everyone in this thread has seen TDK.

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by thedarkangel1975

I can see him in a flash back.

Ding-ding. We have a winner. Nolan and Co. really aren't misleading you guys. Put it together:

- Two Face is dead
- At the BD Live screening, Nolan, when asked who the five "Two-Face victims" were responded with something along the lines of "that's another story for another time". At the end of TDK, we don't actually know who the 5 victims are. We only see two, maybe three (if you assume Maroni dies in the crash) victims on screen.
- Early reports were that Eckhart was signed for two films. He's been coy about whether he's returning or not
- Nolan loves non-linear story telling

My bet/hunch...Eckhart will be back as Two-Face in flashbacks...as Batman and Gotham unravel the truth of the events of The Dark Knight and Batman is "cleared" in the process.

It all makes sense. It all adds up. And nobody has deliberately mislead the fans about anything.

[fighthefutureofhd]

Originally Posted by eagle_fan_05

Begins success came from word of mouth. People were skeptical about seeing it, since Batman and Robin flopped. Batman begins picked up after it's first weekend mostly due by people talking about how good it was. DVD sales were up on Batman Begins, yet again, spreading the word of mouth. Fans is what done this movie in. Action fans, Batman fans, and comic book fans are what got this movie to the level it was at, with multiple people going to see it.

fans of action, batman, or comic books could not have driven the dark knight to the overwhelmingly huge box office this movie has generated. this movie broke records in more ways than one. it was a juggernaut the likes of which we haven't seen since really titanic. fans alone cannot drive that much business. if that were the case many, many more movies would have the huge success of the dark knight. and they haven't. take watchmen for example. judging by fans that movie should do better than the dark knight, but we know it won't come close. the dark knight was something special. this movie pulled in moviegoers who didn't usually go to these types of movies. and in the summer as well. that's what draws big buisness like the dark knight had.

[Variable]

he's dead. if he comes back... well I guess I'd deal with it but it'd piss me off.

movie tells us he's dead, the novelization of the movie has the words "he was clearly dead" in it, I know because I have a picture of that in my phone, and I believe it was Jonathon Nolan or maybe Goyer who said in an interview that he is dead.

edit - I guess flashback is a possibility. nolan doesn't love linear stories

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by Crim122

It would be so stupid to keep two face dead imo, he is one of the biggest bad guys in Batman, and his one moments in the new films is a forced 15 minutes that made the film feel dragged out?

I really hope he comes back, because Eckhart is the man.

They killed Ra's al Ghul, who in the comics is known as immortal. A character's lasting or strong presence in the comics means little when the film adaptation is concerned.

Originally Posted by dvd_mazter

the fact that Batman felt didn't die from the same distance)

Didn't Batman land on top of Dent?

Now, other characters like the Penguin though are iffier beasts...

You do not understand the Penguin character if you believe him to be unrealistic. He's a portly mobster with an affinity for birds who uses gadgets concealed in umbrellas. If Batman reconfiguring a fingerprint on a shattered bullet is realistic, then so is a mobster who hides a machine gun in an umbrella.

Cast some skinny, maniacal, Marilyn Manson look-alike for Riddler (a la the new cartoon version) and it'd be great.

I will go on a murderous rampage if this happens. The Riddler needs to be a composed Gentleman-type fellow. Screw your manic cartoony personas or your dark, long haired goth types. Get me a green suit and bowler.

Domino mask optional.

Originally Posted by matthieuxdetoux

I have thrown this around on the internet a few times but I will see if it sticks here.

Did anyone else notice that the Wayne emplyee who tried to blackmail Bruce was named Mr. Reese? Like as in Mysteries? Which is not too far off from E. Nigma.

Just a thought.

The viral ad campaign they ran established a person named Edward Nashton in the continuity. If Mr. Reese is intended to be a "mysteries" clue, I'd say it's a hint like Bruce calling his guests "two faced" in Begins. I don't think this Mr. Reese person could be the Riddler, particularly because he already knows the answer to the greatest riddle of all.

Early reports were that Eckhart was signed for two films.

The original arc about him being disfigured and becoming Twoface was originally going to span across two films. That could be a reason why he would be signed on for two films.

But he is still on contract for another one, so I could definitely see him returning in flash backs or a dream sequence.

[J_UNTITLED]

Originally Posted by Ator the Invincible

I just have a hard time picturing her in the Nolan movies, especially after the Halle Berry debacle. I'm not saying it can't be done. In fact, I can think of several ways she could work myself. And of course, for all we know, a third movie may not have the same "quasi-grounded" feel that the Dark Knight did. It could be more like Batman Begins or even something entirely different altogether.

You know what? I'm just rambling. I'm sure they could pull her off successfully if they wanted to.

Well, as you know, the Halle Berry-tragedy that is 2004's "Catwoman" has nothing to do with the real character (aka Selina Kyle) and was pure fantasy. There is nothing unrealistic about most (if not all) of the original comic book variations of the character, though.


Damn it, "Catwoman" deserves her own film series and it needs to be shown that a female "superhero" when done well can just as easily be successful as any testosterone-fueled counterpart.