DTS Blu-ray

[IamNhobdy]

I like DTS, but that's mainly because my current reciever is not capable of utilizing PCM tracks. I still think I'll prefer DTSMA(or is it DTSHDMA? I don't feel like checking before I post this time.) to Dolby True HD. I'm just fine waiting for the high end decoders to come down in price. Until then I'll be satisfied with DTS & even Dolby.

However I do intend to upgrade my receiver within a year or so(business is slow. Anyone want to record a demo or liscense some music? hahaha) to either an Onkyo or more likely I'll keep it in the Sony family.... But something that can take full advantage of my PS3 and Blu-ray.


I HAVE heard PCM and I do prefer it to all the formats mentioned above in the post.

[WickyWoo]

I like DTS, but that's mainly because my current reciever is not capable of utilizing PCM tracks

Your reciever doesn't have analog ins?

[tydw94]

i will get back to you later (wickywoo), just got up and heading to get this 300. AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW HOW IT SOUNDS

[tydw94]

I just finished watching 300 and I hate to say the picture sucks. What happen , and in shock of the Quality, I'm going to double check all my settings on my tv and ps3 and watch it again. MAYBE , keep my fingers cross, the picture will be better. Anyone seen it ? Tell me your opinion.

[ClaytonMG]

What sucks about the picture? Because it's grainy? You know that's what it's supposed to look like, right? One thing I did notice was that the bitrate of the Dolby TrueHD track actually drops below the bitrate of a DTS track... very odd they can do that and still have it be "lossless". And the PCM is louder, but that doesn't mean better.

[tydw94]

exactly , the grainyness man, it didn't look like that at the movies, there were just too much of it. and how come some parts were smooth and some looks like puke

[WriteSimply]

Your memory might have played tricks on you. The graininess was there in the 35mm prints because it was there in the DI.

Even the HD trailers on Apple's site have the grain.


fuad

[ClaytonMG]

Uhhh, 300 has always been grainy. That's the way they wanted it to look.

[WickyWoo]

I saw it in DLP, it was grainy there.

I don't have any of the discs because for me it was a "fun once" movie. If I eventually find it in the $5 bin then I'd pick it up, but I've got too many movies I'd want to watch more than once or twice again to buy first

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by tydw94

dobyblue, Good specs man, But have you actually listen to both formats (hd dvd and blu-ray)?

formats has nothing to do with listening - hd dvd doesn't include lossless audio on enough of their releases to match the average sq that blu-ray gets

There are 154 Blu-ray titles in North America with lossless audio.
There are 43 HD DVD titles in North America with lossless audio.

The reviews from High Def Digest, Home Theater Spot, DVD Talk, Upcoming Discs and Home Theater Forum speak for themselves.

SQ Studio
4.38 Buena Vista
4.12 Sony
4.08 Fox
3.81 Lionsgate
3.81 Paramount
3.63 Warner
3.63 Universal
3.63 Weinstein

121 of the 284 Blu-ray titles currently available in North America have PCM. That's 42.6%

19 titles have 24-bit PCM.

24/96 PCM Chris Botti Live with Orchestra and Special Guests (Sony BMG)
24-PCM Apocalypto (Buena Vista)
24-PCM Bridge to Terabithia (Buena Vista)
24-PCM Bruce Springsteen with the Sessions Band: Live in Dublin (Sony BMG)
24-PCM Chicago (Buena Vista)
24-PCM Dinosaur (Buena Vista)
24-PCM Enemy of the State (Buena Vista)
24-PCM Finding Neverland (Buena Vista)
24-PCM Glory Road (Buena Vista)
24-PCM Gone in 60 Seconds (2000) (Buena Vista)
24-PCM Incubus: Alive at Red Rocks (Sony Music)
24-PCM Ladder 49 (Buena Vista)
24-PCM Pearl Harbor (Buena Vista)
24-PCM Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl (Buena Vista)
24-PCM Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (Buena Vista)
24-PCM Primeval (Buena Vista)
24-PCM The Haunted Mansion (Buena Vista)
24-PCM The Prestige (Buena Vista)
24-PCM The Wild (Buena Vista)
PCM 300 (Warner)
PCM 50 First Dates (Sony)
PCM A Knight's Tale (Sony)
PCM All the King's Men (Sony)
PCM Annapolis (Buena Vista)
PCM Basic Instinct 2 (Sony)
PCM Big Fish (Sony)
PCM Black Hawk Down (Sony)
PCM Blood & Chocolate (Sony)
PCM Blood Diamond (Warner)
PCM Brothers Grimm (Buena Vista)
PCM Casanova (Buena Vista)
PCM Casino Royale (Sony)
PCM Catch & Release (Sony)
PCM Chicken Little (Buena Vista)
PCM Click (Sony)
PCM Closer (Sony)
PCM Crank (Lionsgate)
PCM Cruel Intentions (Sony)
PCM Curse of the Golden Flower (Sony)
PCM Daddy's Little Girls (Lionsgate)
PCM Dark Water (Buena Vista)
PCM Deja Vu (Buena Vista)
PCM Destiny's Child: Live in Atlanta (Sony BMG)
PCM Dirty Dancing (20th Anniversary Edition) (Lionsgate)
PCM Donnie Brasco (Sony)
PCM Eight Below (Buena Vista)
PCM Flatliners (Sony)
PCM Flightplan (Buena Vista)
PCM G.I. Jane (Buena Vista)
PCM Ghost Rider (Sony)
PCM Goal! The Dream Begins (Buena Vista)
PCM Gridiron Gang (Sony)
PCM Happily N'Ever After (Lionsgate Entetainment)
PCM Hellboy (Sony)
PCM Hitch (Sony)
PCM House of Flying Daggers (Sony)
PCM Identity (Sony)
PCM IMAX: Blue Planet (Warner)
PCM IMAX: Roving Mars (Disney)
PCM Into the Blue (Sony)
PCM Invincible (Buena Vista)
PCM Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back (Buena Vista)
PCM John Legend: Live at the House of Blues (Sony Music)
PCM King Arthur Director's Cut (Buena Vista)
PCM Kung Fu Hustle (Sony)
PCM Layer Cake (Sony)
PCM Little Man (Sony)
PCM Memento (Sony)
PCM Monster House (Sony)
PCM Open Season (Sony)
PCM Premonition (Sony)
PCM Reign of Fire (Buena Vista)
PCM Rescue Me: The Complete Third Season (Sony)
PCM Resident Evil: Apocalypse (Sony)
PCM Revenge (Sony)
PCM Rocky Balboa (Sony)
PCM Running With Scissors (Sony)
PCM RV (Sony)
PCM S.W.A.T. (Sony)
PCM Secret Window (Sony)
PCM Seven Years in Tibet (Sony)
PCM Silent Hill (Sony)
PCM Sky High (Buena Vista)
PCM Species (MGM)
PCM Stealth (Sony)
PCM Stomp the Yard (Sony)
PCM Stranger Than Fiction (Sony)
PCM Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby (Sony)
PCM Tears of the Sun (Sony)
PCM The Benchwarmers (Sony)
PCM The Big Hit (Sony)
PCM The Covenant (Sony)
PCM The Departed (Warner)
PCM The Descent (Lionsgate)
PCM The Fifth Element (Discontinued) (Sony)
PCM The Fifth Element (Remastered) (Sony)
PCM The Great Raid (Buena Vista)
PCM The Guardian (2006) (Buena Vista)
PCM The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (Buena Vista)
PCM The Holiday (2006) (Sony)
PCM The Host (Magnolia)
PCM The Last Waltz (MGM)
PCM The Lost City (Magnolia)
PCM The Messengers (Sony)
PCM The Patriot (Extended Cut) (Sony)
PCM The Pursuit of Happyness (Sony)
PCM The Queen (Buena Vista)
PCM The Sopranos: Season Six, Part One (Warner)
PCM The Tailor of Panama (Sony)
PCM The Terminator (MGM)
PCM Tony Bennett: An American Classic (Sony Music)
PCM Ultimate Avengers Collection (Lionsgate)
PCM Ultraviolet (Sony)
PCM Underworld: Evolution (Sony)
PCM Vertical Limit (Sony)
PCM Volver (Sony)
PCM Waiting... (Lionsgate)
PCM Warriors of Heaven and Earth (Sony)
PCM Weeds: Season Two (Lionsgate)
PCM Wild Things (Sony)
PCM xXx (Sony)

[DTS-ES EXTREME]

BD & HD DVD they say in the beginning 7.1 DTS HD & Dolby True HD but still 2 or 3 movies that's it and Blockbusters nothing. for me the sound is NR1 & the video is NR2 the most movies are 5.1 Please Paramount pictures make transformers a special Audio track at least DTS ES or 5.1 EX (i hope for DTS 7.1 Master HD or PCM 7.1. bye the way for people that love's DTS-ES till now the best what i saw is RESIDENT EVIL APOCALYPSE DVD (HONG KONG VERSION) that's real 100% surround mixing.

[WickyWoo]

You'll get better, uncompressed PCM which beats out all others

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by DTS-ES EXTREME

BD & HD DVD they say in the beginning 7.1 DTS HD & Dolby True HD but still 2 or 3 movies that's it and Blockbusters nothing. for me the sound is NR1 & the video is NR2 the most movies are 5.1 Please Paramount pictures make transformers a special Audio track at least DTS ES or 5.1 EX (i hope for DTS 7.1 Master HD or PCM 7.1. bye the way for people that love's DTS-ES till now the best what i saw is RESIDENT EVIL APOCALYPSE DVD (HONG KONG VERSION) that's real 100% surround mixing.

I don't understand most of that, but with Transformers there will be an uncompressed audio track. Possibly not on the HD-DVD, but it looks very promising for Blu-Ray...

[WickyWoo]

I don't think he understands (yet) how all the audio works

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by DTS-ES EXTREME

BD & HD DVD they say in the beginning 7.1 DTS HD & Dolby True HD but still 2 or 3 movies that's it and Blockbusters nothing. for me the sound is NR1 & the video is NR2 the most movies are 5.1 Please Paramount pictures make transformers a special Audio track at least DTS ES or 5.1 EX (i hope for DTS 7.1 Master HD or PCM 7.1. bye the way for people that love's DTS-ES till now the best what i saw is RESIDENT EVIL APOCALYPSE DVD (HONG KONG VERSION) that's real 100% surround mixing.

There are already far better audio tracks available on Blu-ray than DTS:ES on DVD.

The Untouchables has a 3 Mbps DTS-HD 6.1 track
There have also been several 7.1 releases like Waiting, Ghost in the Shell 2 : Innocence, Weeds Season 2, Ultimate Avengers, etc.

I'd rather have 24/48 PCM in 5.1 than 16/48 PCM in 7.1 though. Disney's audio kicks ***. Their last 30 reviews AVERAGE out to a 4.5 star rating.

[ClaytonMG]

The Untouchables has DTS-HDHR on it? I thought it was just regular DTS-ES 6.1...

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

The Untouchables has DTS-HDHR on it? I thought it was just regular DTS-ES 6.1...

Sorry it's not 3.0 Mbps, although I had read that somewhere, on AVS I believe.

It's DTS 6.1, but at 1.5 Mbps, which is not found on any DVD.

DTS:ES has always been 754 Kbps on DVD.

[ClaytonMG]

Yeah, it's still an improvement over what's found on DVD. Well, unless you have a DTS demo disc which has DTS-ES tracks at 1.5mbps. I never understood why they would be like "here's a demo at a higher bit rate than what you'll actually hear on the movie itself." They did that with The Haunting and a couple others. But I believe they fixed it when they did the LOTR demos.

[Sir Terrence]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

And there's really no difference between DD and DTS when they use the same mix.

Man is this a uniformed response. Twister and the Lethal Weapon series are DVD's that use full bit rate Dts, and Dolby Digital sans dialog norm. They use the same mix, have been level match in the studio by Warner and make excellent comparison material.

I found that the Dts track on Twister had tighter deeper bass, a more coherent soundfield, better imaging, and when things got really loud, Dts held together better than Dolby D. I also found the LFE boomy and indistinct, and overall Dolby sounded thin and occasionally strident at high levels. Here is DVDfiles review of the same movie.

http://www.dvdfile.com/index.php?opt...=3145&Itemid=3

So even when the masters are the same, the results of the encoding are not always.

[WickyWoo]

Man is this a uniformed response. Twister and the Lethal Weapon series are DVD's that use full bit rate Dts, and Dolby Digital sans dialog norm. They use the same mix, have been level match in the studio by Warner and make excellent comparison material.

Hardly uninformed, and since the number of full bitrate DTS tracks out there is miniscule compared to half, which as I said sounds virtually identical. It effectively makes no difference except on what, 20 titles?