DTS Blu-ray

[tydw94]

Hey I'm new to this thang, but i wanted address the lack of Dts sound on blu-ray's. 300 comes out tommorrow and the disc doesn't have any DTS soundtracks DAMMMMMMM

[LembasBread]

The disc has a Dolby TrueHD and an uncompressed LPCM track and your complaining about regular ol' DTS not being offered? True, it's better than regular ol' Dolby, but the TrueHD and LPCM are much better offerings than either of those "legacy" codecs.

FYI, 85-90% of the titles on BD come with compressed lossless (DTS-HD MA/Dolby TrueHD) or uncompressed lossless (LPCM), so BD's lacking DTS isn't too large of an issue; it is, though, on the neutral titles in which the BD version gets screwed sonically whereas the HD DVD counterpart doesn't, then I would lament the lack of at least the inclusion of a DTS track.

[tydw94]

I meant dts hd, and in my opinon, dts beats dolby hands down in surroundsound. At least I wsih I had the optoin between soundtracks.

[Jodi]

Originally Posted by tydw94

Hey I'm new to this thang, but i wanted address the lack of Dts sound on blu-ray's. 300 comes out tommorrow and the disc doesn't have any DTS soundtracks DAMMMMMMM

Well, that's Warner Bros. for ya!
In the history of both standard DVD, Blu-Ray and HD-DUD, it has been EXTREMELY rare for Warner to put DTS on the above mentioned media.
In fact, Warner has not put DTS on any of it's BDs and HD-DUDs. Do NOT expect Warner to put DTS on any of it's BDs or HD-DUDs because of one simple fact: Warner does not support DTS -- we just don't know why. They either don't want to bump up the disc price $5 by adding the DTS premium, or WB may be a bunch of Dolby fan-boys, or a combination of both.
In fact, I think the future of DTS on Blu-Ray looks murky at best.
Now I can say this: ALL Fox BDs have DTS HD MA (which I've heard great stuff about), and I expect Fox will continue using DTS HD MA on all future releases. Also, most of the MGM BDs (via Fox) have DTS HD MA. Most of the early Paramount BD releases have DTS 5.1...many of the early and present Lionsgate BDs have DTS 5.1, DTS 6.1, or DTS HD (depending on BD title).
Sony has never released a BD with DTS....DON'T expect Sony to employ DTS, either.
As I said earlier, the future of DTS on Blu-Ray is murky at best. I think the vast majority of studios (with the exception of Fox) are gravitating toward using LPCM and/or Dolby Digital/Dolby Digital Plus/Dolby TrueHD on their future releases.
So, in a nutshell, DO NOT expect DTS on Warner and Sony BDs. Fox will be a DTS fan's Heaven, and the rest will probably be a DTS fan's Hell.
Only time and studio exec decision-making will tell..........

Jodi

[WickyWoo]

There's no difference in the end between DTSMA/DD TrueHD and PCM

There's no "sounds better".

And there's really no difference between DD and DTS when they use the same mix.

Now I can say this: ALL Fox BDs have DTS HD MA (which I've heard great stuff about), and I expect Fox will continue using DTS HD MA on all future releases. Also, most of the MGM BDs (via Fox) have DTS HD MA. Most of the early Paramount BD releases have DTS 5.1...many of the early and present Lionsgate BDs have DTS 5.1, DTS 6.1, or DTS HD (depending on BD title).

Apparently Fox is dumping DTS MA. Expect PCM and/or TrueHD on future titles

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by tydw94

Hey I'm new to this thang, but i wanted address the lack of Dts sound on blu-ray's. 300 comes out tommorrow and the disc doesn't have any DTS soundtracks DAMMMMMMM

Curious, are you a man or woman?

[tydw94]

well thanks for the info's, you right only time will tell, and sorry can't satisfy that curiosity ;let's keep it casual

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by Jodi

Well, that's Warner Bros. for ya!
In the history of both standard DVD, Blu-Ray and HD-DUD, it has been EXTREMELY rare for Warner to put DTS on the above mentioned media.
In fact, Warner has not put DTS on any of it's BDs and HD-DUDs. Do NOT expect Warner to put DTS on any of it's BDs or HD-DUDs because of one simple fact: Warner does not support DTS -- we just don't know why. They either don't want to bump up the disc price $5 by adding the DTS premium, or WB may be a bunch of Dolby fan-boys, or a combination of both.
In fact, I think the future of DTS on Blu-Ray looks murky at best.
Now I can say this: ALL Fox BDs have DTS HD MA (which I've heard great stuff about), and I expect Fox will continue using DTS HD MA on all future releases. Also, most of the MGM BDs (via Fox) have DTS HD MA. Most of the early Paramount BD releases have DTS 5.1...many of the early and present Lionsgate BDs have DTS 5.1, DTS 6.1, or DTS HD (depending on BD title).
Sony has never released a BD with DTS....DON'T expect Sony to employ DTS, either.
As I said earlier, the future of DTS on Blu-Ray is murky at best. I think the vast majority of studios (with the exception of Fox) are gravitating toward using LPCM and/or Dolby Digital/Dolby Digital Plus/Dolby TrueHD on their future releases.
So, in a nutshell, DO NOT expect DTS on Warner and Sony BDs. Fox will be a DTS fan's Heaven, and the rest will probably be a DTS fan's Hell.
Only time and studio exec decision-making will tell..........

Jodi

I don't think any of that matters here... Because the disc has not 1, but 2 lossless audio tracks on it. It shouldn't matter if it has DTS or not because it has PCM and Dolby TrueHD, both of which are better than DTS to the point of there not being a comparison...

Clayton

[DaveFi]

Guys, in this case not having DTS-MA is a GOOD thing, because no Blu-Ray player supports it. As already been stated, lossless is the same regardless of the format, so Dolby TrueHD and PCM is just fine.

I wish DTS-MA would either be supported by the PS3 immediately or just go away. Either way, no real point in future titles supporting it.

[tydw94]

I have to disagree with you on that one. when i discovered dts you couldn't pay me enough to buy their products. I accidentally heard a dts movie from a local store and that was about 5 years ago. And beleive it or nor I'm not into numbers, lossless this or PCM that, I just let my ears decide.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by DaveFi

Guys, in this case not having DTS-MA is a GOOD thing, because no Blu-Ray player supports it. As already been stated, lossless is the same regardless of the format, so Dolby TrueHD and PCM is just fine.

I wish DTS-MA would either be supported by the PS3 immediately or just go away. Either way, no real point in future titles supporting it.

Yeah but in the future it will be supported... And the good thing about DTS is the core track. Instead of the 640kbps core track Dolby has, DTS has a 1.5mbps track. Plus you can still have DTS 6.1 from the core only...

As for tydw94, have you ever heard a Dolby TrueHD or PCM audio track?

[tydw94]

yeah, i have. a ? do you need a decorder to decodes those new sound formats or What we have right now will do?

[WickyWoo]

What player and reciever do you have?

I have to disagree with you on that one. when i discovered dts you couldn't pay me enough to buy their products. I accidentally heard a dts movie from a local store and that was about 5 years ago. And beleive it or nor I'm not into numbers, lossless this or PCM that, I just let my ears decide.

The point we're trying to make here is that the end product coming out of your speakers should be identical. It's like "do I zip it or rar it?"

DTS's only real strength has been that they used the theatrical mixes, and not ones that have been adjusted to play well on a wide range of TVs, so people with big systems and/or good ears preferred those tracks for the mix. When DD and DTS used the same mix, the resulting sound was nearly identical on DVD.

[tydw94]

Does anyone own a Blu-ray player that will docedes those new hd sounds, Dolbyhd or dtshd. and here's the killer for me Dlobytruehd, dtstruehd. What's up with that?

[tydw94]

to wickywoo, you might have a point as far as people with a hometheater system. But If it sounds better to you, WITCH WOULD YOU BUY?

[DaveFi]

Originally Posted by tydw94

Does anyone own a Blu-ray player that will docedes those new hd sounds, Dolbyhd or dtshd. and here's the killer for me Dlobytruehd, dtstruehd. What's up with that?

As have already mentioned, firstly you'll need a HDMI 1.1 receiver that can output lossless audio, after that, there are NO Blu-Ray players right now that can decode a DTS-MA lossless audio track fully, just the core. Widely suspected among the existing players the PS3 will be among the only ones powerfull enough to do it. All new players should be able to handle it.

As for Dolby TrueHD, the PS3 can decode it and a few others, not sure which.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by tydw94

I meant dts hd, and in my opinon, dts beats dolby hands down in surroundsound. At least I wsih I had the optoin between soundtracks.

I would agree that DTS is better than Dolby on modern DVD titles (1993 and onwards) but I have always preferred Dolby on old movies.

For the Blu-ray Disc releases as long as either PCM, DTS-MA or TrueHD is used I'm quite satisfied.

[tydw94]

I think playing the waiting game might be safe for a person like me whose upgrading their home theater system. Its getting MESSY when it comes to those sound formats and what equipment will carry the decoders. (the players, the receivers, or the hdmi cables)

[tydw94]

dobyblue, Good specs man, But have you actually listen to both formats (hd dvd and blu-ray)?

[WickyWoo]

to wickywoo, you might have a point as far as people with a hometheater system. But If it sounds better to you, WITCH WOULD YOU BUY?

I'd ask you to do a double blind test on a title like Blade 2 where the tracks are from the same master, and I'll bet a dollar you can't tell me which one is DTS. And since people haven't been putting out a seperate DTS version of discs in years....

dobyblue, Good specs man, But have you actually listen to both formats (hd dvd and blu-ray)?

Since the technologies are virtually identical......

uncompressed PCM is the best, since there is no chance of decoding errors and achieves maximum compatibility, but doesn't sound any different in the end.

Typically they'll use DOlby Digital Plus or Dolby TrueHD on HD DVD titles. When those tracks are present on both discs, they're the same exact data, no differences, just a readjustment of how the data is stored. (my CD binder holds 8 discs per page while yours only does 6, but both binders still hold 500 discs in the end)