3D Blu-rays with expanded or variable aspect ratio & frame breaking effects [IMAX]

[Freakyguy666]

Originally Posted by Ultra-Magnus

Personally, I hate changing AR's. I think its stupid. I know why directors say they do it, but I just dont like it. If you want to convey more horizontal height to a scene, then shoot it in such a manner that objects on the left and right of the screen convey that intention. I think its a lazy way for a director to achieve a "look" or "feeling" without doing it within the confines of the AR the movie is being shot in. I can understand why some movies are shot in a narrower AR. Me personally, I feel a real artist will find a way to convey the mood or emotion they are looking for while staying in one AR. Thats just my 2 cents. Plus, its a pain in the ass for HT to watch those movies.

Originally Posted by kidglov3s

I know a big part of why I was annoyed with Civil War 3D was that due to having to leave it open for the 1.78:1 portion I ended up having to watch over 2 hours of unmatted scope, which I have not had to do ever since I got my projector and could matte for aspect ratios. I agree re: consistent aspect ratio being preferable except in the case of Brainstorm where Trumbull made really great use of multiple ARs. If something is going to change aspect ratio for effect I suppose I find opening up the sides more appealing than opening up the top and bottom.

I have a projection HT and I absolutely LOVE changing ARs! Those who complain probably have Scope screens which cause the IMAX scenes’ image to become SMALLER when the director intends them to get Larger!

I guess if I had a Scope screen I would be kicking myself too.

[benji888578]

Originally Posted by Freakyguy666

I have a projection HT and I absolutely LOVE changing ARs! Those who complain probably have Scope screens which cause the IMAX scenes’ image to become SMALLER when the director intends them to get Larger!

I guess if I had a Scope screen I would be kicking myself too.

That has to be the real reason. How is this any better than the people who don't like letterboxes, so they zoom & crop the image to fit 16:9? Or widen 4:3 to fit 16:9?

Cinematography is an ART form. A true artist does not like to be restrained/constrained into a box. (though, I personally, like the 2.0 aspect the best)

If someone wants to use different aspects for artistic reasons, I say, go for it!

If someone wants to use a bigger format, but, it costs too much or takes too long to produce all of a film in that bigger format, so changing aspects, I say go for it! ...In this case, opening the entire film would make the footage filmed with the smaller format look crappy...like when current TV reformats everything to fit (cropped & zoomed to) 16:9. And, no, if you use a larger format, do not crop it into 2:39:1 because you think that's the "proper" aspect, (really because you have a scope matt and don't want to open it up).

You know, if you are from North America, apparently, many films made in Europe, for many years, were in 1.67:1 format in cinemas. So, please just get over it.

In cinemas the screens used to be constant height with curtains by the sides to hide the edges, ...It used to be, when you'd go to a cinema, if a film in 2.39:1 would have the curtains opened all the way. If it was 1.85:1, the curtains would be closed part way to hide the left/right edges. (This was before IMAX or Dolby or 4DX was used for films.) Most films were done in either 1.85:1 or 2.39:1. Until IMAX expanded beyond short specialty documentaries in science museums and aquariums.

I will never understand film snobs that think films all need to fit one aspect, or need to be in only one aspect. Again, it is an art form, not a fundamentalist religious cult. If you only want watch films in 2.39:1, then only get films that are made that way. Otherwise come up with a way to deal with everything not fitting into your box.

I don't have a home theater yet, but, I prefer the IMAX format for going to the cinema, so, since IMAX doesn't follow the rules of "be this far from screen" etc., but, puts you into the action by getting you close to the screen and the screen goes from floor to ceiling, my home theater won't fit into normal rules either.

[Tonppa]

The list has been updated. Now I've included IMAX featurettes!

So please: Go and check the MISSED OPPORTUNITIES, and click the spoiler tags of those movies. Few of spoiler tags (like Batman vs Superman, Beauty and the Beast and Blade Runner 2049) open up a featurette about the IMAX version we won't see on 3D blu-ray.

Please comment (You may drop a line in private!) if you like these videos!

You'll get to the list by clicking this.

[br3ttD]

I believe Pan (2015) is a missed opportunity for frame breaking.
During the theatrical showing I seem to recall that a cannonball
shoots out of the bottom frame. I think there was another frame
break later on when Peter, Hook and Smiegal first encounter the
Never-birds.

[qw0aszx]

Originally Posted by Tonppa

The list has been updated. Now I've included IMAX featurettes!

So please: Go and check the MISSED OPPORTUNITIES, and click the spoiler tags of those movies. Few of spoiler tags (like Batman vs Superman, Beauty and the Beast and Blade Runner 2049) open up a featurette about the IMAX version we won't see on 3D blu-ray.

Please comment (You may drop a line in private!) if you like these videos!

You'll get to the list by clicking this.

I think you can add Young Detective Dee: Rise of the Sea Dragon to the MISSED OPPORTUNITIES section, the IMAX version was opened up to 1.90:1.

[Tonppa]

Originally Posted by br3ttD

I believe Pan (2015) is a missed opportunity for frame breaking.
During the theatrical showing I seem to recall that a cannonball
shoots out of the bottom frame. I think there was another frame
break later on when Peter, Hook and Smiegal first encounter the
Never-birds.

Did you see the movie in IMAX 3D?

[Tonppa]

Updated the list. Also included IMAX featurette video to Ant-Man and the Wasp.

[Jonnyxll]

You can add Alita: Battle Angle with expanded aspect Ratio (entire movie):

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0437086...ef_=tt_dt_spec

[br3ttD]

Originally Posted by Tonppa

Did you see the movie in IMAX 3D?

Saw it in Real D 3-D.

[SLYDoggie]

Just discovered this thread. I had no idea there were that many movies with frame breaks and I have most of them in 3D. I'll definitely have to go back and watch specifically for the frame breaks.

In my opinion the standout movie for effectively utilizing frame breaks is the new Ghostbusters movie. There are several scenes where ghosts and plasma cannons burst out of the screen and overlay the "black bars" at the top and bottom of the screen. The movie was just OK so it needed this kind of treatment to make it tolerable.

[Freakyguy666]

Sin city 2 had at least 2 scenes where the AR goes from 1.85 to 2.35 and uses the additional black bars for Frame Breaking effects.

[applemac]

Wow, this list is incredible. Thanks!

[Regislive]

Originally Posted by Freakyguy666

I have a projection HT and I absolutely LOVE changing ARs! Those who complain probably have Scope screens which cause the IMAX scenes’ image to become SMALLER when the director intends them to get Larger!

I guess if I had a Scope screen I would be kicking myself too.

I don't like the changing ratios because I use masking panels and find it annoying having to watch a movie with the black bars.

[Freakyguy666]

Originally Posted by br3ttD

I believe Pan (2015) is a missed opportunity for frame breaking.
During the theatrical showing I seem to recall that a cannonball
shoots out of the bottom frame. I think there was another frame
break later on when Peter, Hook and Smiegal first encounter the
Never-birds.

I could have sworn there were frame breaking effects on the 3d Bluray too. I’ll let you know if I find any.

[Freakyguy666]

Originally Posted by Regislive

I don't like the changing ratios because I use masking panels and find it annoying having to watch a movie with the black bars.

Then you must really hate blockbuster movies shown in IMAX theaters!

[Tonppa]

Originally Posted by applemac

Wow, this list is incredible. Thanks!

Thank you very much! I promise to keep it updated, so please come back and check it every now and then!

[Tonppa]

Originally Posted by Freakyguy666

I could have sworn there were frame breaking effects on the 3d Bluray too. I’ll let you know if I find any.

Maybe those were very good pop outs and made you think you saw frame breaks? You wouldn't be the first one to think so.
Anyways, maybe you are right - So please let me know if you find those frame breaks!

[Tonppa]

List updated.

Found one fake frame break effect in Sin City: A Dame to Kill For (2014). This is one of the very few fake frame breaks where only top part of the picture is matted for the effect.

I'm sure there are more "breaks" on this 3D blu-ray!

[silentbob]

Originally Posted by Tonppa

List updated.

Found one fake frame break effect in Sin City: A Dame to Kill For (2014). This is one of the very few fake frame breaks where only top part of the picture is matted for the effect.

I'm sure there are more "breaks" on this 3D blu-ray!

There was one near the end during the final card game. You can see the bottom of the frame move up slightly as the cards are dealt out. Sorry don’t have the time frame but is a very quick moment

[br3ttD]

Originally Posted by Freakyguy666

I could have sworn there were frame breaking effects on the 3d Bluray too. I’ll let you know if I find any.

Unfortunately the frame breaks aren't on the Pan 3-D blu. Warner Bros is
notorious for not including frame breaking on their discs. To my knowledge
Mad Max: Fury Road is the only WB release that does.