Grain... How to deal with Grain... - Page 2 - Blu-ray Forum

supersix4 · 08-18-2007, 06:19 PM

lol thank god for edit

AveneL · 08-18-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by crackinhedz

quick question?

in the ps3 settings do you have 1080p/24Hz turned on? (turn it off)

Settings - BD/DVD Settings - 1080p 24 Hz Output (HDMI) - OFF

...wonder if this is giving you the "flashes"?

This has been set to automatic on my PS3, no good?

grip24 · 08-18-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by supersix14

lol thank god for edit

crackinhedz · 08-18-2007, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AveneL

This has been set to automatic on my PS3, no good?

no, turn it "off". your tv doesnt support it.

supersix4 · 08-18-2007, 06:22 PM

you should 1. Update your ps3 firmware, 2. re-read what Deciazulado wrote ...and 3. go buy POTC..

crackinhedz · 08-18-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by supersix14

you should 1. Update your ps3 firmware, 2. re-read what Deciazulado wrote ...and 3. go buy POTC..

post #12, they did update firmware to 1.90

red_5ive · 08-18-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by supersix14

MADNESS THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO

ClaytonMG · 08-18-2007, 07:03 PM

I don't understand why people are upset by the grain in 300.... The director had it stylized this way, purposely using 35mm and adding grain to the CG. Now, we're getting a picture pretty much identical to the master, and people don't want that? They want an altered version just so that one movie looks fake and clear on their TV? I don't get it...

statikcat · 08-18-2007, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AveneL

Hello all, I am new to this forum and need help. I just bought a 42 inch Sharp Aquos TV, and have it connected via HDMI cable to my PS3. Talladega Nights had come with my PS3, and when I put it in, it didnt look right. I just bought "300", and its the same thing. I have a Sony TV downstairs that is about 5-6 years old and DVD's on that TV look BETTER than Blu Rays on my Aquos or DVD's on my Aquos . I have a Psyclone HDMI cable for the PS3 (supposed to be great via Best Buy guy).

I had a similar experience! Was your Sony a HDTV? I went from a Sony Trinitron 720p HDTV that is about 4+ years old. DVD looked quite good on it. Then I bought a 1080p 42" Vizio and a PS3 and DVDs all look much worse. Very pixilated and somewhat grainy. I think this is from two things. 1) LCD in general I think just look bad when playing DVDs 2) Your eyes need to adjust to your LCD tv. The more I used my LCD tv the less I noticed the grain/pixilation look. DVDs still look poopy but BD look amazing. Go rent Apocolypto from Blockbuster or Casino Royal and you should see a big difference. Also, make sure your sharpness and color are not up very high most LCD tv by default have these settings cranked.

Pilam69 · 08-18-2007, 07:20 PM

another grain thread? c'mon. search the threads.

Icemage · 08-18-2007, 07:25 PM

To check whether it's really your TV that's the problem, go buy Chicken Little or Open Season. I own both titles, and they're both nearly flawless transfers with zero grain.

Oh, and remember to go to the Settings menu of your PS3 and change DVD Upscaling to Normal if it isn't already.

Last thing to do is to check your calibration settings on your TV. Make sure stuff like Sharpness is turned off; the edge enhancement that Sharpness settings introduce can cause noise problems on HDTV displays in complex scenes.

ClaytonMG · 08-18-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Icemage

Last thing to do is to check your calibration settings on your TV. Make sure stuff like Sharpness is turned off; the edge enhancement that Sharpness settings introduce can cause noise problems on HDTV displays in complex scenes.

Well don't turn your Sharpness completely off. Just make sure you're not adding any extra sort of "enhancements" or anything like that.

WickyWoo · 08-18-2007, 07:51 PM

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Well don't turn your Sharpness completely off. Just make sure you're not adding any extra sort of "enhancements" or anything like that.

That's all sharpness does. Turn it off, to 0

Icemage · 08-18-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

That's all sharpness does. Turn it off, to 0

Yep. All good calibrations turn sharpness to 0.

TaLLCaNN · 08-18-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AveneL

But, it still doesnt explain y regular DVD's would look weak also? What is the best LOOKING title on Blu Ray? I will buy it now to ck it, and I mean movies with NO GRAIN please, and is Tallladega supposed to be grainy at some parts? Thats wat mad eme see it in 300 in teh first place, and like I said , the gaming is perfect!!

Thanks everyone, and to the people pissed off bout teh 300 grain thing, I apologize, but I spent a decent amount of money and I am rightfully stressd out bout it, but I apologize if it bothers u.........

No one close this please, I need the answers.

Personally, I felt the same way about 300, but then i watched it on a regular dvd and its 10 times worse on regular dvd that I came to appreciate the way it looks on Blu-Ray. I have a 40" Sony 40XBR2. I have the same python HDMI cable and I use my ps3 to play the movies. So far I've only watch Apocolypto, 300, the last samurai, and pirates of the carribean on blu ray, and they all look AWESOME, with 300 being the most grainy. The other titles lived up to my expectations, which were to be honest, VERY HIGH. I'd recommend Apocolypto and The last samurai.

Deciazulado · 08-18-2007, 08:30 PM

You can use the high res 300 detail pic of Leonidas and club handling wolf to guide you set sharpness ;-p, the Blu-ray looks a tiny smidgen less sharp and less grainy.

kman · 08-18-2007, 11:59 PM

dont judge anything blu-ray can do with talladega nights that came with the ps3. That movie is the worst picture quality i have ever seen on blu

Petra_Kalbrain · 08-19-2007, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by AveneL

But, it still doesnt explain y regular DVD's would look weak also? What is the best LOOKING title on Blu Ray? I will buy it now to ck it, and I mean movies with NO GRAIN please, and is Tallladega supposed to be grainy at some parts? Thats wat mad eme see it in 300 in teh first place, and like I said , the gaming is perfect!!

Thanks everyone, and to the people pissed off bout teh 300 grain thing, I apologize, but I spent a decent amount of money and I am rightfully stressd out bout it, but I apologize if it bothers u.........

No one close this please, I need the answers.

I already posted this once, but in case you missed it... TRY ANY, OR ALL, OF THESE TITLES:

Casino Royale
The Prestige
Happy Feet
Apocalypto
Flags Of Our Fathers
Training Day
Crank
The Departed
Ladder 49
Pirates Of The Caribbean (any in the series)
Resevoir Dogs
Stealth (although it's a horrible film, its PQ and AQ kick @$$)
Superman Returns
Swordfish (colouring is probably the richest I've seen)

Boss Hogg · 08-19-2007, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

I don't understand why people are upset by the grain in 300.... The director had it stylized this way, purposely using 35mm and adding grain to the CG. Now, we're getting a picture pretty much identical to the master, and people don't want that? They want an altered version just so that one movie looks fake and clear on their TV? I don't get it...

Simple - because FAKE GRAIN LOOKS STUPID! It's the same as CGI effects that aren't quite good enough to look real - if they can't get the CGI to look real then they shouldn't include it at all. Same goes for grain in my opinion. Actually if the idiot director of 300 wanted it to look old-school he should have went the extra mile and just filmed it in black and white only.

I understand where the original poster is coming from because I went through the same thing -- got my TV and the first 2 blu-rays I played were loaded with grain and I was like "I spent almost $4000 for a picture like THIS?" Now I just don't buy grainy movies.

Jack Torrance · 08-19-2007, 12:26 AM

I got a PS3 last November and plonked in the free Talledaga Nights blu-ray... and it was one of the worst looking transfers EVER. Then I tried out Superman Returns... and I found the transfer very soft, and the colours seemed off. I honestly thought blu-ray was for chumps at that point.

Then I saw Black Hawk Down and Kingdom of Heaven... and I was blown away. And the blu-ray transfers, with Warner being the only real exception, have consistently been more and more impressive.

To the OP... this thing about film grain has been discussed often, and I'm sorry but I really don't get it. "Grain" has been part of the filmed artform since the dawn of cinematic history. If you really don't want any grain at all, then simply put, you'll need to watch films that were shot digital and have a direct digital transfer for dvd/blu-ray.

You really should give these things a chance though, and perhaps you'll appreciate how grain can enhance the look and feel of a movie.

Personally, I love film grain myself. I remember the "French Connection"'s director of photography Owen Roizman being miffed about the most recent DVD transfer... He was not called on to supervise the transfer and most of the grain had been removed. "Do you realize how hard we worked to make it like that?! (originally)".

08-18-2007, 07:20 PM	#30
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08-18-2007, 06:19 PM	#21
supersix4 Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray collection:572 Blu-ray reviews: 53 Trading Score:3	lol thank god for edit

08-18-2007, 06:22 PM	#25
supersix4 Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray collection:572 Blu-ray reviews: 53 Trading Score:3	you should 1. Update your ps3 firmware, 2. re-read what Deciazulado wrote ...and 3. go buy POTC..

08-18-2007, 07:03 PM	#28
ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:840 Blu-ray collection:2380 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	I don't understand why people are upset by the grain in 300.... The director had it stylized this way, purposely using 35mm and adding grain to the CG. Now, we're getting a picture pretty much identical to the master, and people don't want that? They want an altered version just so that one movie looks fake and clear on their TV? I don't get it...

08-18-2007, 07:25 PM	#31
Icemage Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007	To check whether it's really your TV that's the problem, go buy Chicken Little or Open Season. I own both titles, and they're both nearly flawless transfers with zero grain. Oh, and remember to go to the Settings menu of your PS3 and change DVD Upscaling to Normal if it isn't already. Last thing to do is to check your calibration settings on your TV. Make sure stuff like Sharpness is turned off; the edge enhancement that Sharpness settings introduce can cause noise problems on HDTV displays in complex scenes.

08-18-2007, 08:30 PM	#36
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1161 Blu-ray collection:7054 DVD collection:4062	You can use the high res 300 detail pic of Leonidas and club handling wolf to guide you set sharpness ;-p, the Blu-ray looks a tiny smidgen less sharp and less grainy.

08-18-2007, 11:59 PM	#37
kman Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Denver, Co Home Theater Gallery:13 Blu-ray collection:370	dont judge anything blu-ray can do with talladega nights that came with the ps3. That movie is the worst picture quality i have ever seen on blu

08-19-2007, 12:26 AM	#40
Jack Torrance Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Overlook Hotel Blu-ray reviews:1	I got a PS3 last November and plonked in the free Talledaga Nights blu-ray... and it was one of the worst looking transfers EVER. Then I tried out Superman Returns... and I found the transfer very soft, and the colours seemed off. I honestly thought blu-ray was for chumps at that point. Then I saw Black Hawk Down and Kingdom of Heaven... and I was blown away. And the blu-ray transfers, with Warner being the only real exception, have consistently been more and more impressive. To the OP... this thing about film grain has been discussed often, and I'm sorry but I really don't get it. "Grain" has been part of the filmed artform since the dawn of cinematic history. If you really don't want any grain at all, then simply put, you'll need to watch films that were shot digital and have a direct digital transfer for dvd/blu-ray. You really should give these things a chance though, and perhaps you'll appreciate how grain can enhance the look and feel of a movie. Personally, I love film grain myself. I remember the "French Connection"'s director of photography Owen Roizman being miffed about the most recent DVD transfer... He was not called on to supervise the transfer and most of the grain had been removed. "Do you realize how hard we worked to make it like that?! (originally)".

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