Star Trek Directors vs. Theatrical

[borninusa]

Okay...I know there are a few Trek threads out there...but I have one question and am not sure if its included in another thread (I did look)

ARe there any webpages that show the difference in the Directors Cuts and the Theatrical Cuts of the original cast Trek flicks.

I havent viewed them in a long time and honestly dont remember what the differences are. I dont know if I want to plunk down $75 or so bucks to get the movies as of yet.

[Batman1980]

Look in the Bill Hunt and Jeff Kleist thread, we've been hitting that very topic a lot lately.

[borninusa]

Thanx for the info.

...but back to the original question....does anyone know of any webpages that show or describe the differences between the DC and the TC?
Its more of a curious thing for like I said, I havent watched them in so long...I cant remember what the differences would be.

[Bolty]

I don't know of a site, but I know the changes by heart.....

For Trek II their are 8 changes that amount to 3 min 30 sec.

1. Extension of Kirk/McCoy talking about glasses.
2. Intro of Preston as Scott's nephew in engineering alternate extended take.
3. Extension of Chekov and Carol talking about the order to take Genesis
4. Alternate extended take of carol preparing to hide Genesis from Chekov (Khan)
5. Extension of Spock/McCoy debating Genesis
6. Extension of Preston's death & Kirk/McCoy discussing Khan etc
7. Kirk telling Spock that David is his son in the 'Jeffries' tube.
8. Kirk & Spock telling Saavik about the 'human ego'.

For Trek VI there are 4 changes that amount to 3 min 26 seconds.

1. The Operation Retrieve sequence in the presidents office with Sarek Col West, the CinC & Ad Cartwright
2. Spock, Scott & Valeris in the torbedo storage bay discussing the new Klingon Chancellor.
3. Scott in the dining hall looking at blueprints (no dialogue)
4. The unmasking of the shooter, exposed as Col. West

All the pre-2002 versions of Trek VI were extended by 3 min 22 seconds.
They did not contain the shot of Scott in the dining room.
The 2002 release added that shot and also added alternate shots of McCoy & Kirk during Valeris' interogation. Also added were shots of the conspirators as Valeris says their names. These alternate shots did not extend the running time as they were frame for frame replacements of other shots.

The new blu-ray releases coming May 12 will not contain ANY of these scenes i have listed. (Including the previous additions to Trek VI)

The Trek I versions are so diiferent as to make a list nearly impossible.
In general about 4 minutes of footage was cut from the theatrical in the Director's cut. Then about 4 minutes were added to the movie of mostly character bits (Spock crying, Kirk ordering destruct etc.) Some new FX were added to the Dir. cut along with a lot of new sound FX. A longer opening music entre' acte was added and the DC has longer end credits as well. The credits were changed from white lettering to gold.
The DC is actually 4 min longer than the theatrical, but seems shorter because the scenes that were cut were mostly non dialogue FX flyby shots and the scenes added in were character driven dialogue stuff.

And once again the theatrical version is the only version being released in this first Blu-ray release.

Fans of the Dir cuts (like myself) are praying for a second release of the series with deleted scenes from Treks 2, 3, 4 & 6 along with the Director cuts of 1, 2 & 6 of course.

I will be buying the smaller 2, 3 & 4 'trilogy' blu-ray pack and holding off on the rest until any Dir cut set.

[Prometheus59650]

Originally Posted by borninusa

Thanx for the info.

...but back to the original question....does anyone know of any webpages that show or describe the differences between the DC and the TC?
Its more of a curious thing for like I said, I havent watched them in so long...I cant remember what the differences would be.

I don' know of any specific pages, but as a lifelong Trekker...off the top of my head:

FX shots:

- A new CGI opening shot on Vulcan.

- At Spock, Kirk, & McCoy's first meeting where the window once showed a starfield now has a view of the nacelles

- A shot of V'Ger's second torpedo attack on the E that shows the topedo disintegrating.

- The soundstage scaffolding that's painfully evident as Kirk steps out for his spacewalk has been fixed.

- Shot of a bridge being created between the E and V'Ger that the crew walks accross. Another shot of it and them moving as they escape.

A new audio track that basically consists of new 'computer' sounds for the ship.

- Some scenes slightly edited.

The TC is also missing the scene where Spock gives his "I weep for V'Ger as I would a brother." speech.

Trek II: DE extensions.

Most are very small, and quite frankly, I think are better off gone.

- During Kirk's inspection tour, he's introduced to Midshipman Preston. This is fast in the TC. In the DE we hear him suggest that Kirk is as blind as a Tiberian Bat and we learn he's Scotty's nephew.

- The DE extends the argument between Kirk and McCoy about Genesis. In the TC there is no exchange from McCoy, "In the wrong hands? You mind telling who's the RIGHT hands my logical friend?"

- In the TC after Scott's nephew dies the scene ends immediately after Scotty's, "He stayed at his post when the trainees ran." There's no him asking Kirk why or Kirk's response.

- In the DE as Kirk makes his way to the bridge after being beamed back from the Genesis cave we see him climb through the same ladder area that Spock later uses to get to Engineering telling Spock, "That young man is my son." That is not in the TC.

The only other difference in any of the films is in The Undiscovered Country there's a scene, I believe it's just before Kirk's trial, where Valeris slides down a fireman's pole and she Spock and Scotty have a talk in the Torpedo Room. That's not in the TC.

Hope this helped a little.

[borninusa]

Wow..thanx for the 2 post. That helped a lot

To be honest, I dont know if I would even care if I had the DC on any of the movies. I still have the dvd's from the last round that was released. I am just excited to see any of the flicks in HD ('specially Khan).

I think I will be happy w/ the set when it comes out

[Prometheus59650]

Originally Posted by borninusa

Wow..thanx for the 2 post. That helped a lot

To be honest, I dont know if I would even care if I had the DC on any of the movies. I still have the dvd's from the last round that was released. I am just excited to see any of the flicks in HD ('specially Khan).

I think I will be happy w/ the set when it comes out

I think you will, too. I got an advance hint from Bill Hunt that his sources say the films are looking great and sounding even better.

The TMP DE on Blu is the only thing I would re-buy. Most of the changes to Khan are really unnecessary. While I like the extended chat between Spock and Bones re: Genesis. I don't need it. The rest of the changes there are basically pointless.

[reginaroadie]

Yeah, hearing about the different cuts of the films made me want to step back from getting the movies. I only have THE MOTION PICTURE and THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY in my collection, and the DC of TMP really improves a flawed but underrated TREK film.

So I'm going to wait to get those two when they're available separately and with the DC's of each of them.

I'll still have Season 1 of TOS with both the original and remastered versions to tide me over.

[LuckyKnight]

Yeh I am dissapointed that the blu boxset wont contain both versions.. Paramount have let me down on that one. They wont be getting my money.

[raven1138]

I don't understand why people are in such a tiff about 9 min of footage. I have the DC and EE on DVD, but I remember watching these versions on VHS and it will be nice to have. This isn't like LOTR where we're talking about hours of changes! I can live without 9 min!

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by raven1138

I don't understand why people are in such a tiff about 9 min of footage. I have the DC and EE on DVD, but I remember watching these versions on VHS and it will be nice to have. This isn't like LOTR where we're talking about hours of changes! I can live without 9 min!

Personal choice, me like many others just prefer to have the director's cut of the movies, if you enjoy the thetrical cut by all mean's buy them and enjoy them. I prefer not to double dip because we all know the director's cut will be coming out. They did that with the DVD, I bought them twice but just have no wish of doing it again.

[Gamma_Winstead]

Originally Posted by LuckyKnight

Yeh I am dissapointed that the blu boxset wont contain both versions.. Paramount have let me down on that one. They wont be getting my money.

You realize that the footage for the DS is in SD right? So those extended scenes would look like crap till they re-do all of those effects/additions.

[borninusa]

I think the price is great (if you were able to get it for the $79 from Amazon that is)...and I am hoping they will look great.

Missing the DC's...doesnt bother me at all

[Ernest Rister]

I don't understand why people are in such a tiff about 9 min of footage.

The revised Han vs. Greedo scene in Star Wars that caused so much uproar is only a seond or two in length.

You don't understand how nine minutes of footage can change a movie?

[FlipperWasIrish]

Originally Posted by Ernest Rister

I don't understand why people are in such a tiff about 9 min of footage.

The revised Han vs. Greedo scene in Star Wars that caused so much uproar is only a seond or two in length.

You don't understand how nine minutes of footage can change a movie?

I agree with you. 10 seconds of footage can change a movie vastly, possibly even less. With nine minutes of footage and editor could be in heaven.

[Bolty]

I hope you realize that until this release that ALL the movies were only available in SD !!

Then Paramount got the original film cleaned them up and made a hi-def transfer. Which is exactly what could have and should have been done to the parts that made up the Director's cuts of Trek 2 & 6. Also the 'TV' Special Longer Version of Trek 1 could have been included with the theatrical version of Trek 1. the only thing not readily able to be put in HD was the FX scenes from the Trek 1 Director's cut

At this point scores of movies have had both (or multiple) versions on the same Blu-ray disc. Many of them with less than 10 minutes of differences between the versions. (some only having a few seconds of changes)

Paramount was lazy, inept, unprepared or just greedy for not having both versions of the movies included in this release.

And to blow off the director's cuts as extraneous.....

They are the directors preferred version
they are many, many fans preferred versions
and in the case of Trek 6----they will be removing 3 1/2 minutes of footage that has been in every home video release since day 1 in 1992.

And they have cost Paramount a lot of money from all the folks who want the Director's versions and have stated they will wait.

This is not what folks expect from this new format. They expect extras and choices not blatant & cynical attempts to double dip loyal fans.

[LARRYBOY1971]

As a Star Trek fan, I'm disappointed with this Blu-ray release and will not be buying them. Once again, a studio is relying on the "multiple bites of the apple" technique.
There will most definitely be another release (Special Edition, Director's Cut, etc.) down the road so I'll just wait for that.

[borninusa]

Well, they know what is going to make them cash. Many a ppl will do the 'double dip' thing.

Not saying its right...but they know how to butter their bread

[Skillz5]

Originally Posted by gamma626

You realize that the footage for the DS is in SD right? So those extended scenes would look like crap till they re-do all of those effects/additions.

I am glad someone remembers this truth. We will never get the Director's Cut versions on Blu Ray. All the DC versions were edited on SD Video.

So how can TOS be on Blu Ray you ask? Because in the 60's television shows were edited on film just like movies.

Any film can get a HD transfer because it deals with emulsion on a film cell. SD Video is a specific set of lines per resolution and can never be upgraded. TNG, DS9, and VOY will forever live on DVD and never make it to Blu Ray. Poor 80's and 90's TV.

[stargazeruk]

Why it is a shame its that paramount is not doing seamless branching for directors cuts I am not to bothered about it since I got a SkyHD 1080 cap of Star Trek 2 directors cut in averaging close to 20Mbits so for now I am covered.

Star Trek 6 had little change to worry about again but star trek 1 I thought was an improvment and anoyed about not having on blu-ray. I will most likely buy star trek 1, 2 and 6 again.

Having seen the theatrical cut of star trek 6 on SkyHD (usually sky broadcast in OAR and it was opened up to 2:1 so I am wondering if paramount will do the same for the blu-ray Edition).

Time will tell this friday / saturday if star trek 6 is open matted to 2:1 (blu-rays have been shipped)