Paramount Makes Move To DTS-HD Master Audio

[DrasticPlastic]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

BINGO!!!! Thus proving that it has NOTHING to do with the codec.
My point was and is beautifully illustrated.

Where lossless is concerned the sound quality has NOTHING to do with the codec and EVERYTHING to do with the mix.

Repeat x 1000.

For every list of great PCM tracks there's a list of crappy ones.
For every list of great TrueHD tracks there's a list of crappy ones.
For every list of great dts-ma tracks there's a list of crappy ones.

See?

Very true, but I still enjoy being a dts sack rider

[Blu-Me]

Originally Posted by KubrickFan

Not on my copy. It clearly says DTS-HD MA.

Uh, we might be talking different versions here. The one I'm talking about is the Complete Experience Version. No, I'm not talking about the Black Freighter or Motion Comic ones either. Check the description. It's says, "Dolby TrueHD".

And yes, if you look to the right near the credits, you see a small DTS-MA logo, but you won't see that in the audio description.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by Blu-Me

Uh, we might be talking different versions here. The one I'm talking about is the Complete Experience Version. No, I'm not talking about the Black Freighter or Motion Comic ones either. Check the description. It's says, "Dolby TrueHD".

And yes, if you look to the right near the credits, you see a small DTS-MA logo, but you won't see that in the audio description.

Complete experience? Are you talking about Watchmen or 300?

As an owner of Watchmen, I can confirm (along with many, many other people) that there is DTS-HD MA on there. And there's only the Director's Cut available (in different packages)... Also it says the main feature's audio is "DTS-HD Master Audio: English 5.1."

Here's a pic: http://images.dvdempire.com/gen/movies/1469309bh.jpg

[saprano]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

BINGO!!!! Thus proving that it has NOTHING to do with the codec.
My point was and is beautifully illustrated.

Where lossless is concerned the sound quality has NOTHING to do with the codec and EVERYTHING to do with the mix.

Repeat x 1000.

For every list of great PCM tracks there's a list of crappy ones.
For every list of great TrueHD tracks there's a list of crappy ones.
For every list of great dts-ma tracks there's a list of crappy ones.

See?

Doby how many times are you going to bring up that same argument, we get it.

[Snikt]

Originally Posted by cembros

ok well you need to go check out cloverfield, dave matthews and tim reynolds, the fith element, 300, i am ledgend, iron man, kung fu panda, the police live, spiderman 1-3, transformers, and national treasure 2. All have some of the best tracks available and all are true hd.

I have the Spider-Man trilogy, 300, I Am Legend, Iron Man, Transformers and National Treasure 1 & 2. I still find they're not quite as good as DTS, but still impressive.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by saprano

Doby how many times are you going to bring up that same argument, we get it.

If people actually did "get it," this argument wouldn't be taking place.

[cembros]

Originally Posted by Snikt

I have the Spider-Man trilogy, 300, I Am Legend, Iron Man, Transformers and National Treasure 1 & 2. I still find they're not quite as good as DTS, but still impressive.

then there is obviously something wrong with your setup, and national treasure 1 is pcm

[saprano]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

If people actually did "get it," this argument wouldn't be taking place.

I dont understand whats not to get. i think they do get it but they still prefer DTS. theres nothing wrong with that.

And why is this is thread still open?

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by saprano

I dont understand whats not to get. i think they do get it but they still prefer DTS. theres nothing wrong with that.

And why is this is thread still open?

There's nothing wrong with people prefering one format over another. However, there seems to be a lot of people here spitting in the face of facts. They're completely ignoring logic and blindly supporting one format saying it sounds better when it's been proven time and time again they're both identical. Which is probably also why this thread is still open for debate.

[trans22]

Originally Posted by Snikt

I have the Spider-Man trilogy, 300, I Am Legend, Iron Man, Transformers and National Treasure 1 & 2. I still find they're not quite as good as DTS, but still impressive.

I agree, i personally prefered the DTS track on the superbit dvd of SPIDERMAN 2 compared to the blu-ray.

[cembros]

Originally Posted by trans22

I agree, i personally prefered the DTS track on the superbit dvd of SPIDERMAN 2 compared to the blu-ray.

what, you are doing something wrong. You cant be serious that a lossy track sounds better than the lossless track

[Rik1138]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

A lot of the industry is still Mac based...(don't look at me, this is typed in Vista x64).

Not the DVD/Blu-Ray authoring/premastering industry. I've never seen an authoring workflow on a Mac at all. Every facility I've seen does all of the authoring work strictly on PCs with the exception of creating graphics.

Video/Audio encoding software, authoring software, verification software, pre-mastering software and QC playback are all done on PCs. So, in the middle of this forest of PC computers we now have to have a Mac set aside just to do audio encoding when someone wants Dolby.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

But what about your clients wanting maximum compatibility, and DRC functions.

Never been an issue with any clients so far. If by compatibility you mean with old decoding equipment (that might not have DTS), that doesn't seem to be an issue anymore or else there wouldn't be so many DTS only Blu-Rays. That was the point of making the spec require DTS playback in all the players. But even with the limitation, everyone will still get sound, it might just be 2.0 PCM.

I'm actually in that situation, my system at home didn't have any DTS capabilities. I got tired of having to watch movies in stereo only, so I bought a DTS decoder for all those titles...

Rik

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by trans22

I agree, i personally prefered the DTS track on the superbit dvd of SPIDERMAN 2 compared to the blu-ray.

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[Rik1138]

Originally Posted by BIslander

It's not my definition. Core is an important term with a specific meaning when discussing lossless Dolby and DTS codecs. Core does not refer to the embedded DD 5.1 companion track.

Well, how it's defined and how it's used can always vary...

I've been told by a Dolby engineer that TrueHD 'has a core stream of 5.1 AC3 audio to guarantee playback on all older Dolby decoders'.

In that sentence, it sure makes it sound like 'core' means 'legacy'. Again, I'm sure it was just an accidental mis-use of a term, but that mis-use is becoming more common unfortunately...

But I do understand what you are saying, and what the core really is... The term is just getting bastardized...

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by trans22

I agree, i personally prefered the DTS track on the superbit dvd of SPIDERMAN 2 compared to the blu-ray.

The 768kbps track? According to Peter, DTS@768kbps actually rounds off frequencies after a certain point (can't remember which). You're seriously saying that a lossy track like that is better than a lossless one?

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by Rik1138

Well, how it's defined and how it's used can always vary...

I've been told by a Dolby engineer that TrueHD 'has a core stream of 5.1 AC3 audio to guarantee playback on all older Dolby decoders'.

In that sentence, it sure makes it sound like 'core' means 'legacy'. Again, I'm sure it was just an accidental mis-use of a term, but that mis-use is becoming more common unfortunately...

But I do understand what you are saying, and what the core really is... The term is just getting bastardized...

Putting aside the "core" and "extension" terminology, we can all agree that both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA's sole purpose is to give lossless audio compression, while still having a legacy track for backwards compatibility reasons, right?

[Rik1138]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Putting aside the "core" and "extension" terminology, we can all agree that both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA's sole purpose is to give lossless audio compression, while still having a legacy track for backwards compatibility reasons, right?

Man, I certainly hope so! If we haven't at least gotten that message across in 8 pages of posts I might just give up...

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by Rik1138

Man, I certainly hope so! If we haven't at least gotten that message across in 8 pages of posts I might just give up...

Hey who knows? Maybe Dolby's secret in keeping the filesize down so well was to lossy compress the LFE channel without including in the white paper. :P

[saprano]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Hey who knows? Maybe Dolby's secret in keeping the filesize down so well was to lossy compress the LFE channel without including in the white paper. :P

[trans22]

Originally Posted by cembros

what, you are doing something wrong. You cant be serious that a lossy track sounds better than the lossless track

I know that a lossy track should not sound better in theory but let me give you an example: on the dvd of X-MEN 2 the dts track just sounds the same as the DTS track on the blu-ray, i know the bit-rate is about 6x higher on the blu-ray but to me personally i can't hear a difference not that i care because it sounds fantastic anyway.