Paramount Makes Move To DTS-HD Master Audio

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by saprano

DTS nor dolby is involved with any mix.

That was my point...

But also, just so you know... Back in the day they also weren't lowering their side channels 3db like they were supposed to for the home enviorment which gives someone the impression that the surrounds are more active on a DTS track compared to a Dolby track.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by Canada

To bad Dolby Digital 6.1 EX is still only matrixed .

Too bad they're both matrixed for the theater. Too bad both lossless formats offer 7.1.

Lucas/THX and Dolby worked together to create Dolby Digital Surround EX. There's even THX Surround EX on most THX receivers now-a-days. That's probably why Lucas wanted Dolby on his DVD's (that and it's a space saver).

[trans22]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

The rolloff begins @16kHz. Since a lot of people lose their ability to hear high frequencies as they get older it's not as noticeable.



Puzzling since that track is too @768kbps, so even the frequency response of the 2 tracks don't match.

yes your right that is the bit rate of the dvd but i personally can't hear any difference to the DTS-HD MA on the blu-ray, does bit rate really make a great deal of difference because some of the best tracks i have heard were some of the dolby digital tracks on dvd with only bit rate of 384kbps ? the dolby digital on the superbit dvd of MEN IN BLACK was awesome to me.

[LembasBread]

Originally Posted by Canada

To bad Dolby Digital 6.1 EX is still only matrixed .

And how do you think they create 99.99% of 6.1 mixes? By matrixing 5.1 stems and encoding them as discrete channels of audio.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by cembros

ok well you need to go check out cloverfield, dave matthews and tim reynolds, the fith element, 300, i am ledgend, iron man, kung fu panda, the police live, spiderman 1-3, transformers, and national treasure 2. All have some of the best tracks available and all are true hd.

Iron Man? Terrible faulty encode, huge issues over it.

I have The Fifth Element and 300 in PCM. Excellent stuff.

The Police Certifiable is reference quality, and it's Dolby.

I still prefer DTS.

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

All I said was "fanboy", methinks doth protest too much.

No point in being civil, is there?

[Blu-Dog]

Originally Posted by PS3FAN

Who cares about the difference between DTS MA and DTHD. They're both lossless. They both sound good. It's like comparing Red Apples and Green Apples. They're both the same.

Then why is one quieter than the other?

[syncguy]

Originally Posted by PS3FAN

Who cares about the difference between DTS MA and DTHD. They're both lossless. They both sound good. It's like comparing Red Apples and Green Apples. They're both the same.

Red apples taste different to green apples. They are apples but not the same.

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by blu-mike

Dance Flick Is The First Paramount Movie To Have DTS-HD Master Audio


http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/dance-flick.html



Does This Mean We Will Get Transformers 2 In DTS-HD Master Audio?!

no topgun also has dtsma

[cembros]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

Iron Man? Terrible faulty encode, huge issues over it.

I have The Fifth Element and 300 in PCM. Excellent stuff.

The Police Certifiable is reference quality, and it's Dolby.

I still prefer DTS.

huge issues? What it automatically enables drc on some receivers, once you turn that off its an amazing track. An error on one disc has nothing to do with a codec thats an issue with the engineerer. The true hd track on the fith element is theroetically better than the pcm in that it is 20bit compared to 16 bit. Why is it that you prefer dts, if there are plenty of movies with refrence tracks that are in true hd then what does the codec have to do with anything? You should check out some of the other titles i listed, simply amazing and all true hd.

[AnimeOnBlu]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

Iron Man? Terrible faulty encode, huge issues over it.

Maybe we should take about some other terribly faulty encodes with DTS?

Really didn't want to start a codec fight but c'mon, DRC on one title and suddenly Dolby TrueHD is the plague?

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by Canada

To bad Dolby Digital 6.1 EX is still only matrixed .

And what makes you think DTS-ES Discrete 6.1 will always come with a discrete 7th channel?
The system allows it, but the person mixing it could just as easily have taken the same matrixed 7th channel and stick it in the discrete 7th channel compression.

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by cembros

huge issues? What it automatically enables drc on some receivers, once you turn that off its an amazing track. An error on one disc has nothing to do with a codec thats an issue with the engineerer. The true hd track on the fith element is theroetically better than the pcm in that it is 20bit compared to 16 bit. Why is it that you prefer dts, if there are plenty of movies with refrence tracks that are in true hd then what does the codec have to do with anything? You should check out some of the other titles i listed, simply amazing and all true hd.

20-bit doesn't neccessarily mean its better.
Sometimes, these fools that encoded the TrueHD track might have taken a 16-bit LPCM master and compress it in 20-bit. So it's not a hard and fast rule that the bigger the bit depth, it's automatically the better one. Because we never know what was the original projected rate and depth, and we will also never know if it was carelessly handled and converted to a lousier experience despite the increase.

No offense from my post though. Just a highlight.

[Buddy Christ]

DTS ES HAS a discrete!! (Gadiator)
DTS EX rears matrixed!
Dolby and/or DTS are NOT involved in the mix process.
Most of the difference YOU hear is in the mix NOT the format.
You do not know what mix the Theater is using. I know a Gm and will ask him.

LINKY http://techdigs.net/content/view/55/42/ Old yet informative.

[Buddy Christ]

Originally Posted by BozQ

And what makes you think DTS-ES Discrete 6.1 will always come with a discrete 7th channel?
The system allows it, but the person mixing it could just as easily have taken the same matrixed 7th channel and stick it in the discrete 7th channel compression.

That is DTS's claim. Discrete means discrete. I see your point though, uhh just take out seventh and say its a sixth discrete. Who would know? Good point.

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by Blu2U

That is DTS's claim. Discrete means discrete. I see your point though, uhh just take out seventh and say its a sixth discrete. Who would know? Good point.

Yeah. But I would also really like to know which movies are truly mixed in 6.1 or even 7.1 for cinema release.

Actually, SDDS has a list of films that were mixed in 7.1
But the arrangement are mostly five front, two surround and one LFE, where most home theatre arrangements is three front, two surround and one LFE.

The Spider-Man Trilogy, Pearl Harbor, Ocean's Eleven are among those at the top of my head that has 8 channels. But unfortunately, none of the films I know ever made it to BD in 7.1

Here is the list btw.
http://www.sdds.com/news_movies.cfm?showfilms=8

EDIT: But like DTS-ES, we'll never know for sure if those films were really mixed in 7.1

[Buddy Christ]

Originally Posted by BozQ

Yeah. But I would also really like to know which movies are truly mixed in 6.1 or even 7.1 for cinema release.

Actually, SDDS has a list of films that were mixed in 7.1
But the arrangement are mostly five front, two surround and one LFE, where most home theatre arrangements is three front, two surround and one LFE.

The Spider-Man Trilogy, Pearl Harbor, Ocean's Eleven are among those at the top of my head that has 8 channels. But unfortunately, none of the films I know ever made it to BD in 7.1

Here is the list btw.
http://www.sdds.com/news_movies.cfm?showfilms=8

Awesome! How do we find out what the theater is putting out? I know its kind of irrelevant to our HT but I am curious. VERY!!

Why cant some one from the industry just jump in here and tell us like it is? We are "Fanboys" in a sense and people should not take offense to that label. Christ, we spend enough time on this site, we must be called "something" right?

Edit. I went to school for audio engineering in 1984. I do know that after you record anything, given enough channels, you can "pan" anything anywhere. The Mix we get at home has to be different than the one in the movie house due to many factors like acoustics.

[BozQ]

Originally Posted by Blu2U

Awesome! How do we find out what the theater is putting out? I know its kind of irrelevant to our HT but I am curious. VERY!!

Why cant some one from the industry just jump in here and tell us like it is? We are "Fanboys" in a sense and people should not take offense to that label. Christ, we spend enough time on this site, we must be called "something" right?

Edit. I went to school for audio engineering in 1984. I do know that after you record anything, given enough channels, you can "pan" anything anywhere. The Mix we gat at home has to be different than the one in the movie house due to many factors like acoustics.

HT Enthusiast

[RocShemp]

Originally Posted by Blu-Dog

Then why is one quieter than the other?

DTS tends to encode audio 4dB louder than Dolby does. If you volume match them, they sound exactly the same. Of course, that's only if we're talking about two lossless encodes of the same mix. A case like Top Gun doesn't count because a brand new mix was used for the DTS-HD MA track whereas the original theatrical mix was used for the Dolby TrueHD track.

The Spears & Munsil disc has a demo reel encoded in PCM, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS-HD MA. I haven't heard it myself but I've read that all three tracks sound identical.

[Buddy Christ]

Originally Posted by BozQ

HT Enthusiast

Heard.