Common misconceptions about Blu-ray - Blu-ray Forum

Algernon · 09-30-2007, 08:51 AM

Perhaps it would be nice to have a thread countering certain anti-blu-propaganda on certain other pages? Perhaps even a sticky thread about something like this :

Rumor : Blu-Ray sucks because ..
Truth : No, in fact Blu-Ray ...

( about audio-/video-quality, hardware issues, availability, storage capacity, compatibility and and and ... )

I don't believe there really is such a thread yet ...

It also would help if this thread would be sort of objective ... those who in an infantile manner label HD-DVD as "HD-DUD" in my opinion aren't better than those who claim "Blu-Ray sucks". A really objective thread would help. I know there are alreay many threads about why Blu-Ray is good, but, unless I am blind on both eyes, there's no collection of answers to false claims about Blu-Ray, only "Blu-Ray is the supreme god " threads, which don't really help ...

w_tanoto · 09-30-2007, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Algernon

Perhaps it would be nice to have a thread countering certain anti-blu-propaganda on certain other pages? Perhaps even a sticky thread about something like this :

Rumor : Blu-Ray sucks because ..
Truth : No, in fact Blu-Ray ...

( about audio-/video-quality, hardware issues, availability, storage capacity, compatibility and and and ... )

I don't believe there really is such a thread yet ...

It also would help if this thread would be sort of objective ... those who in an infantile manner label HD-DVD as "HD-DUD" in my opinion aren't better than those who claim "Blu-Ray sucks". A really objective thread would help. I know there are alreay many threads about why Blu-Ray is good, but, unless I am blind on both eyes, there's no collection of answers to false claims about Blu-Ray, only "Blu-Ray is the supreme god " threads, which don't really help ...

I like this idea. It should be put not only in the forum, but in the homepage.

Algernon · 09-30-2007, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w_tanoto

I like this idea. It should be put not only in the forum, but in the homepage.

Thanks - yep, somewhere in the FAQ or so ...

Well, let me start, perhaps :

Rumor : Blu-Ray players are much too expensive
Truth : If money is an issue, get the PS3 which comes with a BD player of very good quality that can also very easily updated over the internet.

HK-48 · 09-30-2007, 02:59 PM

I don't know if all the HD DVD fanboys are saying this, but one of them said it and it got me really annoyed at how stupid it was, so I want to do it.

Rumor: If Warner Brothers goes HD DVD exclusive, then the format war is over and HD DVD wins.

Truth: Even if Warner went HD DVD exclusive, there would still be Sony Pictures, Twentieth Century Fox, Walt Disney, Metro Goldwyn Mayer, Lionsgate, and quite a few smaller studios exclusively on Blu-Ray's side. The format war would be far from over.

w_tanoto · 09-30-2007, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HK-48

I don't know if all the HD DVD fanboys are saying this, but one of them said it and it got me really annoyed at how stupid it was, so I want to do it.

Rumor: If Warner Brothers goes HD DVD exclusive, then the format war is over and HD DVD wins.

Truth: Even if Warner went HD DVD exclusive, there would still be Sony Pictures, Twentieth Century Fox, Walt Disney, Metro Goldwyn Mayer, Lionsgate, and quite a few smaller studios exclusively on Blu-Ray's side. The format war would be far from over.

Here is the truth (2006):
Sony 21.1%
FOX 17%
Disney 16.7%

Warner 14.9%

Paramount 11%
Universal 10.9%

Lord_Stewie · 09-30-2007, 03:13 PM

I worked for National Amusements Corp, who owns paramaount and is owned by Viacom. the thing is we get a weekly Box office magazine sent to us. on this week's issue it had a topic about Viacom and its stand with HDDVD. Viacom by far made the highest in grosses 1.1 billion dollars, and then follows warner by 1 billion. i am sorry i can't prove it because i can't find a link but i do have the magazine. I will scan it and post it on this coming friday. What i am trying to say, is WB is an important studio, and if it does take a side to either format, it will be a major blow to the opposing format.

I think they are important, and i don't believe they should be compared to MGM, lionsgate, and Sony combined. I actually compare them to be on the same level as disney and Fox.

I really want them to take the BD side.

ScoBro828 · 09-30-2007, 03:14 PM

Blu-Ray is an incomplete and "Beta testing" format.

As a graphic designer I am used to the "beta" format of Adobe products. Each year a newer, better Photoshop and/or Illustrator comes out that can do more than the current version. You have to shill out another $300 just to get the newest version- so you can have all the bells and whistles.

In that regard all Adobe products are Beta as well. To group the 'beta' Blu-Ray with 'beta' Adobe products is not a bad thing.

jorg · 09-30-2007, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Algernon

Perhaps it would be nice to have a thread countering certain anti-blu-propaganda on certain other pages? Perhaps even a sticky thread about something like this :

Rumor : Blu-Ray sucks because ..
Truth : No, in fact Blu-Ray ...

( about audio-/video-quality, hardware issues, availability, storage capacity, compatibility and and and ... )

I don't believe there really is such a thread yet ...

It also would help if this thread would be sort of objective ... those who in an infantile manner label HD-DVD as "HD-DUD" in my opinion aren't better than those who claim "Blu-Ray sucks". A really objective thread would help. I know there are alreay many threads about why Blu-Ray is good, but, unless I am blind on both eyes, there's no collection of answers to false claims about Blu-Ray, only "Blu-Ray is the supreme god " threads, which don't really help ...

i knwo of 2 threads like this alredy but there more like why is blu-ray better then hd dvd

SDG · 09-30-2007, 05:37 PM

The best thing about Blu Ray is, in two years you will have a player that is still suported. The hd dvd players will be paper weights. Well, I guess they can still play DVD's and the old hd dvd's.

w_tanoto · 09-30-2007, 06:08 PM

HD DVD is better PQ and SQ wise
Wrong, it's almost the same. BD has better bitrate. HD DVD is even lower than red-laser HD-VMD

Blu-Runner · 09-30-2007, 06:23 PM

From what I've gathered from friends who likes movies and home video like I do, the common misconception with them is that not all studios support the two formats. Like for example, my friends don't know "why a certain movie isn't on the opposite HDM format." Case in point: a co-worker of mine bought a PS3 and didn't know why Slither wasn't on blu-ray. I had to explain to him about the studio support.

richard lichtenfelt · 09-30-2007, 06:25 PM

How about the misconception that there are a lot of people who want to see pip with some director in a box droning on and on throughout the movie about every little decision he made. This concept makes less sense to me than hottie oil wrestling in winter clothing.

HK-48 · 09-30-2007, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w_tanoto

HD DVD is better PQ and SQ wise
Wrong, it's almost the same. BD has better bitrate. HD DVD is even lower than red-laser HD-VMD

Tell them to look at the chart on this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-Ray#Codecs

w_tanoto · 09-30-2007, 06:30 PM

Obviously, some HD DVD lovers that are in denial will say that they have more movie studio support. I've heard some. Don't trust this FUD

Beta-guy · 09-30-2007, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HK-48

Tell them to look at the chart on this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-Ray#Codecs

I wish ALL BD releases used only AVC (H.264) because it's an open standard, and it'd force neutral format studio's like Warner to do a encode designed for Blu-ray not just double dipping HD-DVD's encode...

HK-48 · 09-30-2007, 07:41 PM

Oh I have another one!

Rumor: Disney and Fox are going to go neutral.

Truth: Just read one of the interviews with one of those execs. And remember when Target said they were going to expand the Blu-Ray selection of movies and only carry Blu-Ray players in their store? Toshiba said some crap about how Target wasn't completely going Blu-Ray exclusive and said that the endcaps were only put up because Sony and three studio partners paid a "jawdropping" sum. Well I have a feeling that two of those studios were Disney and Fox. Why would they go neutral if they have invested that much in Blu-Ray?

EricJ · 09-30-2007, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HK-48

Oh I have another one!

Rumor: Disney and Fox are going to go neutral.

Truth: Don't know about Fox, but just TRY and break Disney away from Apple's tech-influential and very deep-pocketed leash.

As long as the cosmic Apple-vs.-MS forces of light and darkness wage their eternal battle, there will be Universal HD's and Disney Blu's from their earthly minions.

ScoBro828 · 09-30-2007, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricJ

Apple's tech-influential.

You can talk all you want to about number of players, better quality and at the end of the day it really means not that much to me. The main reason I see BluRay as being the HDM of choice is the connection with Apple.

Apple is a consumer machine; that's why the HD marketing material that was going around at Circuit City awhile back was made to look like the original Ipod material (duotone etc)

Blu As Hell · 09-30-2007, 08:42 PM

The thing that I still hear and pisses me off the most is that Blu-ray players will not play DVDs. I just heard this in HHGregg the other day. An employee was telling a customer that, so I stepped in and informed the customer and the employee that they indeed do play DVDs. The employee preceded to tell me that he was "fully trained" for all the new Hi Def media and players and he knew for a fact that a Blu-ray player cannot play DVDs (even though he doesn't own one...that's right I asked him if he did and he said no.). So I told him that since i've owned one for about a year I know more about the players than he did, I also pointed out to this idiot and the customer that if Blu-ray players didn't play DVDs then why is the DVD logo on the boxes and on the players themselves? He turned beet red and left. Myself and the other customer talked for about another 10 minutes and gave him the pros and cons of both Blu-ray and HD DVD and he ended up buying the S300.

. Ahhhh....sweet victory.

HK-48 · 09-30-2007, 08:56 PM

The sales reps. are so stupid. I hope Best Buy's thing makes their employees better. But it will probably just make them worse.

09-30-2007, 08:51 AM	#1
Algernon Active Member Member since:Jul 2007	Common misconceptions about Blu-ray Perhaps it would be nice to have a thread countering certain anti-blu-propaganda on certain other pages? Perhaps even a sticky thread about something like this : Rumor : Blu-Ray sucks because .. Truth : No, in fact Blu-Ray ... ( about audio-/video-quality, hardware issues, availability, storage capacity, compatibility and and and ... ) I don't believe there really is such a thread yet ... It also would help if this thread would be sort of objective ... those who in an infantile manner label HD-DVD as "HD-DUD" in my opinion aren't better than those who claim "Blu-Ray sucks". A really objective thread would help. I know there are alreay many threads about why Blu-Ray is good, but, unless I am blind on both eyes, there's no collection of answers to false claims about Blu-Ray, only "Blu-Ray is the supreme god " threads, which don't really help ...

09-30-2007, 07:41 PM	#16
HK-48 Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	Oh I have another one! Rumor: Disney and Fox are going to go neutral. Truth: Just read one of the interviews with one of those execs. And remember when Target said they were going to expand the Blu-Ray selection of movies and only carry Blu-Ray players in their store? Toshiba said some crap about how Target wasn't completely going Blu-Ray exclusive and said that the endcaps were only put up because Sony and three studio partners paid a "jawdropping" sum. Well I have a feeling that two of those studios were Disney and Fox. Why would they go neutral if they have invested that much in Blu-Ray? Last edited by HK-48; 09-30-2007 at 07:56 PM.

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09-30-2007, 02:59 PM	#4
HK-48 Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	I don't know if all the HD DVD fanboys are saying this, but one of them said it and it got me really annoyed at how stupid it was, so I want to do it. Rumor: If Warner Brothers goes HD DVD exclusive, then the format war is over and HD DVD wins. Truth: Even if Warner went HD DVD exclusive, there would still be Sony Pictures, Twentieth Century Fox, Walt Disney, Metro Goldwyn Mayer, Lionsgate, and quite a few smaller studios exclusively on Blu-Ray's side. The format war would be far from over.

09-30-2007, 03:13 PM	#6
Lord_Stewie Blu-ray Baron Member since:May 2007 Blu-ray collection:396 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	I worked for National Amusements Corp, who owns paramaount and is owned by Viacom. the thing is we get a weekly Box office magazine sent to us. on this week's issue it had a topic about Viacom and its stand with HDDVD. Viacom by far made the highest in grosses 1.1 billion dollars, and then follows warner by 1 billion. i am sorry i can't prove it because i can't find a link but i do have the magazine. I will scan it and post it on this coming friday. What i am trying to say, is WB is an important studio, and if it does take a side to either format, it will be a major blow to the opposing format. I think they are important, and i don't believe they should be compared to MGM, lionsgate, and Sony combined. I actually compare them to be on the same level as disney and Fox. I really want them to take the BD side.

09-30-2007, 03:14 PM	#7
ScoBro828 Active Member Member since:Sep 2007	Blu-Ray is an incomplete and "Beta testing" format. As a graphic designer I am used to the "beta" format of Adobe products. Each year a newer, better Photoshop and/or Illustrator comes out that can do more than the current version. You have to shill out another $300 just to get the newest version- so you can have all the bells and whistles. In that regard all Adobe products are Beta as well. To group the 'beta' Blu-Ray with 'beta' Adobe products is not a bad thing.

09-30-2007, 05:37 PM	#9
SDG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Arkansas	The best thing about Blu Ray is, in two years you will have a player that is still suported. The hd dvd players will be paper weights. Well, I guess they can still play DVD's and the old hd dvd's.

09-30-2007, 06:08 PM	#10
w_tanoto Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Hatfield, UK / Jakarta, Indonesia Blu-ray collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:47	HD DVD is better PQ and SQ wise Wrong, it's almost the same. BD has better bitrate. HD DVD is even lower than red-laser HD-VMD

09-30-2007, 06:23 PM	#11
Blu-Runner Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:87 Blu-ray collection:205 DVD collection:3 Trading Score:16	From what I've gathered from friends who likes movies and home video like I do, the common misconception with them is that not all studios support the two formats. Like for example, my friends don't know "why a certain movie isn't on the opposite HDM format." Case in point: a co-worker of mine bought a PS3 and didn't know why Slither wasn't on blu-ray. I had to explain to him about the studio support.

09-30-2007, 06:25 PM	#12
richard lichtenfelt Power Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:I'm not drunk, I'm just tired cause I been up all night drinking. Blu-ray reviews:3	How about the misconception that there are a lot of people who want to see pip with some director in a box droning on and on throughout the movie about every little decision he made. This concept makes less sense to me than hottie oil wrestling in winter clothing.

09-30-2007, 06:30 PM	#14
w_tanoto Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Hatfield, UK / Jakarta, Indonesia Blu-ray collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:47	Obviously, some HD DVD lovers that are in denial will say that they have more movie studio support. I've heard some. Don't trust this FUD

09-30-2007, 08:42 PM	#19
Blu As Hell Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2007 Location:Macon Georgia 4K collection:120 Blu-ray collection:461 DVD collection:4 Blu-ray reviews: 1	The thing that I still hear and pisses me off the most is that Blu-ray players will not play DVDs. I just heard this in HHGregg the other day. An employee was telling a customer that, so I stepped in and informed the customer and the employee that they indeed do play DVDs. The employee preceded to tell me that he was "fully trained" for all the new Hi Def media and players and he knew for a fact that a Blu-ray player cannot play DVDs (even though he doesn't own one...that's right I asked him if he did and he said no.). So I told him that since i've owned one for about a year I know more about the players than he did, I also pointed out to this idiot and the customer that if Blu-ray players didn't play DVDs then why is the DVD logo on the boxes and on the players themselves? He turned beet red and left. Myself and the other customer talked for about another 10 minutes and gave him the pros and cons of both Blu-ray and HD DVD and he ended up buying the S300. . Ahhhh....sweet victory.

09-30-2007, 08:56 PM	#20
HK-48 Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	The sales reps. are so stupid. I hope Best Buy's thing makes their employees better. But it will probably just make them worse.

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