Didn't see the "LCD 120hz effect" in Plasmas

[Omix]

Hi to all,
Last weekend I visited a new BestBuy store here in Guadalajara, Mexico, because I am looking for a 37-42" LCD or Plasma.

I noticed, finally in live, the effect of the 120/240hz LCDs that makes the movement of things more natural. (Good for this LCDs feature)

Then I started to check Plasmas, but I got a little disappointing when I found that no Plasmas in the store had this effect. (Of course I have learned that Plasmas don´t need more Hz because It is a different technology.)

So, until now and for what I have seen, LCDs of 120hz look better than Plasmas.

Anything to say Plasma fans?
Did I miss something?

thanks in advanced.

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by Omix

Anything to say Plasma fans?
Did I miss something?

Yeah, you are judging it by in-store viewing. When you watch TV, is it in the store?

Settings in store do not accurately reflect a home viewing experience. Look for a store that has a section with darker lighting to more accurately represent a home viewing experience. Then play around with the settings on the tv's to optomize the picture quality and then perhaps you will be able to make a better informed decision as to what will work for you.

Good luck.

[aramis109]

I'll say that I disagree that it's more "natural" looking. It does look smoother, and I even think it's a neat effect. I personally wouldn't want it in my movies, however.

It's used to combat the currently inherent problems in LCD technology- motion resolution. Since plasma doesn't have this issue, there's no need for the gimmick.

If you really like it (and many do) there are a lot of nice LCD's that are capable of it and have a great display to boot. The only drawback is that they are many times much more expensive than a comparable plasma. I personally think the Samsung LED LCD's offer up a great picture with a lot of pop, but they come at nearly 3x the price of plasma.

Personally, I'm very happy with my plasma set and I would really have to think about it if someone were to offer me a straight up trade with the Samsung LED LCD. There are good and bad things to both technologies, but overall you will not find motion enhancers in plasmas.

[langn08]

A 120HZ LCD and a plasma (often listed as 600HZ) will look VERY different. Plasma is argued to be more natural where LCD's will be more "bright". As far as the 120HZ, you will not really see a plasma that will look like an LCD 120hz as the products are very different.

[wafi]

Ah the soap opera look rises again

[Omix]

Originally Posted by aramis109

I'll say that I disagree that it's more "natural" looking. It does look smoother, and I even think it's a neat effect. I personally wouldn't want it in my movies, however.

It's used to combat the currently inherent problems in LCD technology- motion resolution. Since plasma doesn't have this issue, there's no need for the gimmick.

If you really like it (and many do) there are a lot of nice LCD's that are capable of it and have a great display to boot. The only drawback is that they are many times much more expensive than a comparable plasma. I personally think the Samsung LED LCD's offer up a great picture with a lot of pop, but they come at nearly 3x the price of plasma.

Personally, I'm very happy with my plasma set and I would really have to think about it if someone were to offer me a straight up trade with the Samsung LED LCD. There are good and bad things to both technologies, but overall you will not find motion enhancers in plasmas.

I agree with you and this is why I am looking for a Plasma first.

So as I understand, Plasmas don't have this "weird" motion effect because It is not natural, right?

I tested my Blu-ray player in my brother in law's Panasonic 42" FullHD S1 Series Plasma and the image looked like my Samsung 32" LCD. Nothing awesome.

The blu-ray scene that I am using to compare, is all Dreamworks movies at the very begining when you see the clouds and then the camera tilts-up and stops with the kid sitting on the moon.

In my 32" LCD and the 42" Plasma, the clouds kind of got blurred.

Maybe I didn´t configure something.

[Omix]

Originally Posted by langn08

A 120HZ LCD and a plasma (often listed as 600HZ) will look VERY different. Plasma is argued to be more natural where LCD's will be more "bright". As far as the 120HZ, you will not really see a plasma that will look like an LCD 120hz as the products are very different.

So what I have seen, is all Plasmas can get?

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by Omix

So what I have seen, is all Plasmas can get?

No, the S1 cannot playback 24p without 3:2 pulldown, which may be affecting the image you are seeing. The Panasonic V10 can playback 24p which can reduce this judder effect and make the image more filmlike.

IDK if the Dreamworks logo is necessarily the best indicator of PQ, I would try to find a sequence where there is detail in the foreground and background perhaps with some movement to give you an idea of what the panels would look like when viewing a full movie.

Should be plenty of scenes in CC of Benjamin Button which would suffice.

[Omix]

Originally Posted by kpkelley

No, the S1 cannot playback 24p without 3:2 pulldown, which may be affecting the image you are seeing. The Panasonic V10 can playback 24p which can reduce this judder effect and make the image more filmlike.

IDK if the Dreamworks logo is necessarily the best indicator of PQ, I would try to find a sequence where there is detail in the foreground and background perhaps with some movement to give you an idea of what the panels would look like when viewing a full movie.

Should be plenty of scenes in CC of Benjamin Button which would suffice.

You know what? I remember a Plasma that I really liked and It has very very natural motion:
Panasonic VIERA X1 Series TC-P50X1 50-Inch 720p Plasma HDTV

They were showing a girl and a guy dancing tango.

[aramis109]

The X and V series are better at 24p for sure. If you can find one in your price range it may be worthwhile to grab it up. However, the Dreamworks logo is rendered as pretty "hazy" in my opinion- it really doesn't pop that much. Kung Fu Panda looks AMAZING on my set and that logo is very "meh".

Currently though the V10 in 50" will run you about $500 more than the G10 or G15. In reality the "only" difference is that 24p setting. Dunno if that's worth it to you or not. It wasn't to me personally.

[kman]

I feel that plasma is easily the best display for movies. I havn't had a single motion problem with my plamsa and on my old 32" lcd it was very noticable. Im sure the 120hz and 240hz improves it but I still dont think it comes close to the plasma. Throw in the fact that plasmas have far superior black levels and I feel its an easy decision.

The new LED displays are a different story and can stack up well with plasmas but you will be paying a premium.

[langn08]

Buy what looks best to you, just make sure you demo enough prior to making a decision. And good luck!

[Pelican170]

Im really surprised nobody on this thread mentioned that it is not the 120 hz that is making the picture look different, but it is the "motion flow" or whatever branding they put behind it that is what is making the motion looks "unnatural".

[langn08]

Originally Posted by wafi

Ah the soap opera look rises again

I think you are referring to the auto-motion/motion plus options, not the 120hz

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by Pelican170

Im really surprised nobody on this thread mentioned that it is not the 120 hz that is making the picture look different, but it is the "motion flow" or whatever branding they put behind it that is what is making the motion looks "unnatural".

I was waiting for someone to mention that....

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by langn08

I think you are referring to the auto-motion/motion plus options, not the 120hz

Well theres no "LCD 120hz effect" because of the display doing its 120Hz refresh...

[langn08]

Originally Posted by Sonny

Well theres no "LCD 120hz effect" because of the display doing its 120Hz refresh...

I guess its all how you interpret “effect”. The 120HZ causes the TV to have a different “effect” than a TV without 120hz.

Just like plasma features that cause/produce a different “effect”.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by langn08

I guess its all how you interpret “effect”. The 120HZ causes the TV to have a different “effect” than a TV without 120hz.

Just like plasma features that cause/produce a different “effect”.

Whatever you say boss...

[langn08]

Originally Posted by Sonny

Whatever you say boss...

We're all friends here

[[1080-p]]

Originally Posted by langn08

A 120HZ LCD and a plasma (often listed as 600HZ) will look VERY different. Plasma is argued to be more natural where LCD's will be more "bright". As far as the 120HZ, you will not really see a plasma that will look like an LCD 120hz as the products are very different.

person can always lower bright levels on lcd
i have my lcd set at 26 brightness