Star Wars Question Regarding Palpatine/Darth Sidious

[Rob J in WNY]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Obi-Wan had the high ground. Try the math on that.

[jurassic_pork]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

Sith are able to cover their powers, it's one of their special abilities. Also it's good to remember that the Jedi in the movies are no longer the Jedi of old. They are decadent, too sure of themselves, Yoda make's a few remarks about that in the movies. After a 1000 years a lot of techniques and teachings have been lost to them due to lack of use and the fact that they refuse to evolve their believes. This would give a serious advantage to a Sith master and his apprentice. A thousand years without much of any challenges and enemies will make anyone lose their edge and that is where the Jedi are in the prequels. Yoda known's it, Qui Gon knew it as well.

It's always been my believe that Darth Sidious created Anakin, there is a few hints here in there in the movies.

The clone army was ordered by Sifo-Dyas, it's never too clear if he was Dooku or not but in the movie Obiwan is saying he was dead for 10 years, so I doubt he could confuse Dooku and Sifo-Dyas, it's probably that Sifo-Dyas was a older Jedi that was influence by Darth Sidious to order the clones.

I believe the story is that Dooku killed Sifo-Dyas and posed as him when he ordered the clone army...

[Kirsty_Mc]

Originally Posted by Blu Blood

So whats happening with episodes VII. VIII. IX are they still a go?

Originally Posted by Stereomike

Lucas once said in a documentary he had a 9 movies story in mind but he would be too old to do the last 3. He started writing Episode I in 1993 and knew it would be a 12 years work.

He could always digitally remaster himself

[Jwilly019]

Originally Posted by Kirsty_Mc

He could always digitally remaster himself

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by Kirsty_Mc

He could always digitally remaster himself

You win the thread.

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Kirsty_Mc

He could always digitally remaster himself

You mean turn himself into a younger Lucas?*

Logan





*ya know, when he actually HAD a chin?

[Sussudio]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

*ya know, when he actually HAD a chin?

LOL! He has a walrus for a neck now!

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

You mean turn himself into a younger Lucas?*

Logan





*ya know, when he actually HAD a chin?

He still has a chin....his neck is just protecting it.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

You mean turn himself into a younger Lucas?*

Logan





*ya know, when he actually HAD a chin?

Lucas cannot keep himself from dying but through the Force he has found a way to keep the ones he loves from dying.

[Blu-Ron]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

New record for a Star Wars thread, 25 posts before we got our first "prequels are bad" post

Usualy happen's in the first 5 posts

Sorry, I was busy the last couple of days.

[Kocheese99]

I remember in Episode 2, that Dooku revealed to Obi Wan that there is a Sith Lord in control of the senate and that obi wan should join him to destroy the sith. I've read since then that it was just a ploy, but doesn't it make the movies that much more interesting if it were true. I was always a fan of Dooku through the movies and in the original clone wars cartoons, and i thought that this possibility could have created some really interesting scenarios; including a Dooku V. Palpatine battle and i cannot see a downside to giving Christopher Lee some more screen time in the prequels.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by Diesel

Pure skill and arrogance/pride vs skill and experience

He only took Anakin down because of his foolish arrogance. Anakin made a bone head, cocky, stupid decision by making that leap. Obi-wan's experience took advantage.


That and the lame "in universe" thing of "the force was with him".

Other than this, practically every other instance of a Jedi defeating a Sith in the movies* came about from the Jedi channeling their emotions, something Jedi are expressly not supposed to do. Obi-wan versus Maul, Anakin versus Dooku. Notice that not even Yoda could best Dooku, and yet 3 years later, Anakin did it without trouble, even while Obi-wan failed miserably.

*As far as I'm concerned the only Sith to exist were Palpatine's master (and those who came before him), Palpatine, Maul, and Dooku. Maybe Vader.

I don't buy that there's nothing left to tell.

There's nothing left to tell as far as the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin. There are plenty of interesting things to tell in the Star Wars universe, but they're not directly the story as told in the 6 existing films. They could do more films, but they'd be spin-offs (like The Clone Wars), not sequels.

[Jwilly019]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

As far as I'm concerned the only Sith to exist were Palpatine's master (and those who came before him), Palpatine, Maul, and Dooku. Maybe Vader.

Would you care to explain why you only "maybe" consider Vader to be Sith? He's always seemed like one to me, but knowledge of the Star Wars Universe barely extends beyond the movies.

[groove93]

I'd say be done with the current cast of characters and start a new set of films discussing the rise of the Sith, which will include the rise of Darth Bane. Bane's the one that started the "one master, one apprentice" concept which has been the focal point of the current six films.

[Filmmaker85]

http://blogs.starwars.com/DarthPlagueis/1

[Ernest Rister]

Yaargh...just watched the opera scene...I think I'm going senile before I turn 40. The origins of Anakin are referred to, McCallum praises the scene for baiting the hook for Anakin, but I think it was the Annotated Screenplay that refers to the specific deleted dialog, not the DVD commentary.

*sigh*

Sorry folks. 6 year old memories get jumbled a bit.

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by Jwilly019

Would you care to explain why you only "maybe" consider Vader to be Sith? He's always seemed like one to me, but knowledge of the Star Wars Universe barely extends beyond the movies.

I don't get the "maybe" thing either. The whole concept of the Sith was created by George Lucas as a description for the character Darth Vader. He was the Dark Lord of the Sith. All other details came later, but that was the starting point.

[Monkey_Boy]

Originally Posted by Kocheese99

I remember in Episode 2, that Dooku revealed to Obi Wan that there is a Sith Lord in control of the senate and that obi wan should join him to destroy the sith. I've read since then that it was just a ploy, but doesn't it make the movies that much more interesting if it were true. I was always a fan of Dooku through the movies and in the original clone wars cartoons, and i thought that this possibility could have created some really interesting scenarios; including a Dooku V. Palpatine battle and i cannot see a downside to giving Christopher Lee some more screen time in the prequels.

It's the rule of The Sith: a Sith apprentice cannot acheive the rank of Master until he's killed his own. Dooku was trying to tempt Obi Wan into joining him. (Not much different than Vader tried with Padme and Luke.) It's a big reason why there aren't very many Sith left; they're constantly trying to kill each other!

In response to Afrobean:
Obi Wan never used anger to defeat Maul! In fact, it was the way that he defeated Maul that made him plenty prepared for Anakin's "leap of faith". Anakin using his feelings as he fought was an example of a BAD JEDI, so it's good that you did indeed notice that. Also, Yoda could defeat Dooku, that's why Dooku put Obi and Anakin in danger; so that he could escape with his life!

Oh, and Vader was a Sith Lord; the same as Maul and Dooku.

As far as the question on whether Lucas should continue the franchise: http://www.cracked.com/article/167_5...an-prequels_p2 Not to say I don't think I wouldn't enjoy 'em (Luke becomes so powerful in The Force that he crushes an AT-AT with a wave of his hand!), I just think that there would be even more haters than those for the PT (especially after reading that article).

[groove93]

Originally Posted by Monkey_Boy

In response to Afrobean:
Obi Wan never used anger to defeat Maul! In fact, it was the way that he defeated Maul that made him plenty prepared for Anakin's "leap of faith". Anakin using his feelings as he fought was an example of a BAD JEDI, so it's good that you did indeed notice that. Also, Yoda could defeat Dooku, that's why Dooku put Obi and Anakin in danger; so that he could escape with his life!

I'm not too sure about this. I always felt that Sidious planted some seeds early on in his teaching of various prospects under his wing. Dooku/Tyrannus's defiance which is a trait found in Qui Gon Gin, which is later passed down to Obi Wan. It's quite obvious that we see this in Anikan. The excuse that Anikan was too old to be trained is only part of the problem. The person training him is very pivotal and Sidious knew this.

When Maul defeated Qui Gon, I saw anger in Obi Wan and used more aggression to try and defeat Maul. The close up of Maul and Obi Won just before Maul "force punched" Kenobi down the the pit is a perfect example of loosing one's self.

[Diesel]

Kenobi did use anger when fighting Maul over his master's defeat, but it did not when him the battle, it got him knocked down a freaking hole.

Only when he calmed himself (and then jumped up) did he kill Maul.