I'm afraid of Neutrality - Blu-ray Forum

Beta-guy · 10-07-2007, 08:28 AM

I don't think HD-DVD has a chance of winning, but I'm scared of "let's just get along" I've said this b4 and I'll probably say more times, if the formats are allowed to co-exist Blu-ray will get the short end of the stick, the films will be encoded for HD-DVD first then that encode will be thrown unto both discs, limiting Blu-ray's potential while HD-DVD fans are getting all HD-DVD can do.

I've decided to post this because since the format war I've personally held to view if we hold out buy Blu-ray only HD-DVD will fail and the movies we've wanted to see will look and sound even better on Blu-ray thus the wait is worth it. my view hasn't changed, but I've noticed alot of people are getting impatient, they want to see the HD-DVD only movies while still being a Blu-ray supporter, and of course with the additional sales of those various HD-DVD titles the war lasts even longer.

some people hold to the opinion that well it's just me buying this movie what impact will that have, the issue is when you have 10,000 people holding to that same view, during the early adopter phase of the war, it gives HD-DVD more ammo to survive even longer, leading to a potential stalemate.

I am Blu-ray only I don't even buy the DVD's of the HD-DVD movie I want, but I'm not here to impose restrictions, simply to ask all who are Blu-ray only to post here to show their numbers. We just need to wait a little longer, I believe that Blu-ray will win the holidays, then then format war will draw to then end, not over night but soon after.

Grisle · 10-07-2007, 08:35 AM

I'm Blu-ray only except for MMA DVD's which aren't in High Def yet...although UFC in Blu would be sweet. Sometimes I get worried and then I have to remind myself of the positives...Disney, Fox, more space, more support, better PQ and AQ...we'll just have to be patient which is the hardest thing for me because I'm very impatient. Once we can get Warner to release titles like The Matrix, Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, and the like I think we'll find that Warner will be very happy with their sales and we should be in an even better position.

w_tanoto · 10-07-2007, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Beta-guy

I don't think HD-DVD has a chance of winning, but I'm scared of "let's just get along" I've said this b4 and I'll probably say more times, if the formats are allowed to co-exist Blu-ray will get the short end of the stick, the films will be encoded for HD-DVD first then that encode will be thrown unto both discs, limiting Blu-ray's potential while HD-DVD fans are getting all HD-DVD can do.

I've decided to post this because since the format war I've personally held to view if we hold out buy Blu-ray only HD-DVD will fail and the movies we've wanted to see will look and sound even better on Blu-ray thus the wait is worth it. my view hasn't changed, but I've noticed alot of people are getting impatient, they want to see the HD-DVD only movies while still being a Blu-ray supporter, and of course with the additional sales of those various HD-DVD titles the war lasts even longer.

some people hold to the opinion that well it's just me buying this movie what impact will that have, the issue is when you have 10,000 people holding to that same view, during the early adopter phase of the war, it gives HD-DVD more ammo to survive even longer, leading to a potential stalemate.

I am Blu-ray only I don't even buy the DVD's of the HD-DVD movie I want, but I'm not here to impose restrictions, simply to ask all who are Blu-ray only to post here to show their numbers. We just need to wait a little longer, I believe that Blu-ray will win the holidays, then then format war will draw to then end, not over night but soon after.

couldn't agree more. BD discs from neutral studio (warner) - are restricted because of HD DVD encoding just being put into BD without addition. Annoying. Yes, BD hasn't used its full potential because of this. well, that except the studios that backing BD exclusively. I've seen that casino royale has 48GB used, and the quality is really good. I owned a warner title. hasn't checked the capacity, but likely to be 15GB.

Same, I am BD only. I did not boycott those HD DVD studio, but they are boycotting us. I am not buying those titles, because I decided to make a switch to BD.

NutsAboutPS3 · 10-07-2007, 09:35 AM

Yes, and that is why they made the deal with Paramount, they know they can't win, but if enough people buy into HD DVD as well as Blu-ray, the format war won't end. They'll be perfectly happy to see Blu-ray have a 2:1 advantage for ever more, the war is only over if it starts getting to more like 4:1 or 5:1.

I agree that we all need to be strong and remain Blu-ray only. HD DVD dying off is the only satisfactory long term scenario.

MOONPHASE · 10-07-2007, 09:48 AM

i personally would rather die then buy a hd-dvd movie. i am not wasting any of my money on something thats inferior i want to go with superior like that saying i am not going to go half assed and by buying hd-dvd movies thats what you are doing is going half assed. this is why i am blu-ray only i will wait for universal to go neutral and having paramount back. sure i will still buy old paramount blu-ray movies before then. i cant even stand it when i see someone looking at hd-dvd movies.

Grisle · 10-07-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

i personally would rather die then buy a hd-dvd movie. i am not wasting any of my money on something thats inferior i want to go with superior like that saying i am not going to go half assed and by buying hd-dvd movies thats what you are doing is going half assed. this is why i am blu-ray only i will wait for universal to go neutral and having paramount back. sure i will still buy old paramount blu-ray movies before then. i cant even stand it when i see someone looking at hd-dvd movies.

Now that just sounds crazy. I would rather die slowly and in an immense amount of pain before I buy an HD-DVD...j/k. If it was a choice of me dying or buying a $25 movie I think the choice is pretty simple...I'd be dead.

Algernon · 10-07-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Beta-guy

I don't think HD-DVD has a chance of winning, but I'm scared of "let's just get along" I've said this b4 and I'll probably say more times, if the formats are allowed to co-exist Blu-ray will get the short end of the stick, the films will be encoded for HD-DVD first then that encode will be thrown unto both discs, limiting Blu-ray's potential while HD-DVD fans are getting all HD-DVD can do.

Well, in the end money will decide who wins, not sales numbers, quality or our wishes ... that's the sad facts ... (just remember VHS, the worst of the three beating the other two)

If MS has its way ... well, I have a bad feeling about this ... at least Sony has access to a buck or two as well

swifty7 · 10-07-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

i personally would rather die then buy a hd-dvd movie. i am not wasting any of my money on something thats inferior i want to go with superior like that saying i am not going to go half assed and by buying hd-dvd movies thats what you are doing is going half assed. this is why i am blu-ray only i will wait for universal to go neutral and having paramount back. sure i will still buy old paramount blu-ray movies before then. i cant even stand it when i see someone looking at hd-dvd movies.

I rather be dipped slowly in a vat of sulfuric acid and have my nuts crushed at the same time before buying hd-dvd.

I bet you can't top that!!!

a quick pain free way to die does not show the sign of a true supporter.

......LONG LIVE BLU-RAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*furiously waving the blu flag*

Petri Teittinen · 10-07-2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

i personally would rather die then buy a hd-dvd movie.

Seek help. No, really, seek help.

bhampton · 10-07-2007, 11:05 AM

I won't go neutral.

A nice thing is I suspect with the flood of releases people like me waiting for the format war to end have more then enough stuff to buy and rent in the meantime.

-Brian

w_tanoto · 10-07-2007, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by NutsAboutPS3

Yes, and that is why they made the deal with Paramount, they know they can't win, but if enough people buy into HD DVD as well as Blu-ray, the format war won't end. They'll be perfectly happy to see Blu-ray have a 2:1 advantage for ever more, the war is only over if it starts getting to more like 4:1 or 5:1.

I agree that we all need to be strong and remain Blu-ray only. HD DVD dying off is the only satisfactory long term scenario.

how about current stats in UK (4:1) and Japan (9:1)???

Teazle · 10-07-2007, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by w_tanoto

how about current stats in UK (4:1) and Japan (9:1)???

Good point. Suppose (what's very unlikely) that the US sales ratio sticks at 2:1 for a while -- HDM adopters in other territories will not wait on the US to see what happens there. They will go with what's winning at home.

In the bigger picture it is not obvious that the dilatory tactics of HD-DVD will work.

SolidBlu · 10-07-2007, 11:42 AM

I am solid blu, just look at my code name...

Zyclone · 10-07-2007, 12:38 PM

when universal does go blu i suspect they will dump everything onto blu discs so you will be seeing the same crappy transfer anway.

patrick99 · 10-07-2007, 01:32 PM

Although I originally bought an HD DVD player at about the same time I bought my first BD player, in September of this year, and also for a time bought some HD DVDs, earlier this year I not only stopped buying any more HD DVDs but also stopped watching the HD DVDs I had already bought.

I completely agree that those of us who believe that BD is the technologically superior format, with the capability of delivering superior PQ and AQ, should not be supporting the red side in any way.

If there is a movie from an HD DVD exclusive studio that I want to see, I will buy the SD version.

almy · 10-07-2007, 02:10 PM

From what I've read, the powers-that-be at Warners are very much aware of the HD limitations and about "dumbing down" titles from HD to BD - it costs them more Qo put a given title on 2 discs for HD when it fits on a single BD disc. This was mentioned by one of their execs about a month ago when he said they were going to closely watch the sales figures of both formats during q4.

BLackie · 10-08-2007, 05:25 PM

I think the war will last longer than the holidays, Especially since HD DVD is getting the bourne Ultimatum right around christmas shopping time, the fourth highest grossing movie of the year and not a movie thats been out. But blu overall is having better tittles comming out so we have to wait and see.

coolmilo · 10-08-2007, 05:40 PM

Neutrality means DVD wins the format war

mdm1699 · 10-08-2007, 06:00 PM

Excellent post. I have thought about HD-DVD because I want BB, Matrix, V, and Posiedon. I just refuse to buy a paper weight just to watch those movies. Where is the Utility? If anything, my resolve as never been stronger at this point. At the same time, my blood is boiling at Warner for failing to release those titles on blu-ray. Neutrality my butt! Scrap the darn extras and give me the crappy VC1 video and audio. I don't care. Let the people who want the extras wait for the double-dip. I HATE Warner.

Mikeesracing · 10-08-2007, 06:29 PM

If everyone goes neutral the only winner will be Toshiba. They will be the only producer of HD DVD players, which is what they want.

I feel that it will make Toshiba lazy. I think their quality will slip. With no compitition, there will be no one to chanlenge them to make a better product. In a free market society compitition is what drives the quaility up and the price down. I think that will hurt Toshiba being the only HD DVD Producer in the long run, but the will clean up on the short term.

10-07-2007, 08:28 AM	#1
Beta-guy Expert Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:23 Blu-ray reviews:1	I'm afraid of Neutrality I don't think HD-DVD has a chance of winning, but I'm scared of "let's just get along" I've said this b4 and I'll probably say more times, if the formats are allowed to co-exist Blu-ray will get the short end of the stick, the films will be encoded for HD-DVD first then that encode will be thrown unto both discs, limiting Blu-ray's potential while HD-DVD fans are getting all HD-DVD can do. I've decided to post this because since the format war I've personally held to view if we hold out buy Blu-ray only HD-DVD will fail and the movies we've wanted to see will look and sound even better on Blu-ray thus the wait is worth it. my view hasn't changed, but I've noticed alot of people are getting impatient, they want to see the HD-DVD only movies while still being a Blu-ray supporter, and of course with the additional sales of those various HD-DVD titles the war lasts even longer. some people hold to the opinion that well it's just me buying this movie what impact will that have, the issue is when you have 10,000 people holding to that same view, during the early adopter phase of the war, it gives HD-DVD more ammo to survive even longer, leading to a potential stalemate. I am Blu-ray only I don't even buy the DVD's of the HD-DVD movie I want, but I'm not here to impose restrictions, simply to ask all who are Blu-ray only to post here to show their numbers. We just need to wait a little longer, I believe that Blu-ray will win the holidays, then then format war will draw to then end, not over night but soon after.

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10-07-2007, 08:35 AM	#2
Grisle Power Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Northern California 4K collection:18 Blu-ray collection:18 Trading Score:12	I'm Blu-ray only except for MMA DVD's which aren't in High Def yet...although UFC in Blu would be sweet. Sometimes I get worried and then I have to remind myself of the positives...Disney, Fox, more space, more support, better PQ and AQ...we'll just have to be patient which is the hardest thing for me because I'm very impatient. Once we can get Warner to release titles like The Matrix, Batman Begins, V for Vendetta, and the like I think we'll find that Warner will be very happy with their sales and we should be in an even better position.

10-07-2007, 09:35 AM	#4
NutsAboutPS3 Expert Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:UK Blu-ray reviews:1	Yes, and that is why they made the deal with Paramount, they know they can't win, but if enough people buy into HD DVD as well as Blu-ray, the format war won't end. They'll be perfectly happy to see Blu-ray have a 2:1 advantage for ever more, the war is only over if it starts getting to more like 4:1 or 5:1. I agree that we all need to be strong and remain Blu-ray only. HD DVD dying off is the only satisfactory long term scenario.

10-07-2007, 09:48 AM	#5
MOONPHASE Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jun 2007 Location:California 4K collection:8 Blu-ray collection:520 DVD collection:820 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:29	i personally would rather die then buy a hd-dvd movie. i am not wasting any of my money on something thats inferior i want to go with superior like that saying i am not going to go half assed and by buying hd-dvd movies thats what you are doing is going half assed. this is why i am blu-ray only i will wait for universal to go neutral and having paramount back. sure i will still buy old paramount blu-ray movies before then. i cant even stand it when i see someone looking at hd-dvd movies.

10-07-2007, 11:05 AM	#10
bhampton Blu-ray Count Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:981 Blu-ray collection:2537 DVD collection:67 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:18	I won't go neutral. A nice thing is I suspect with the flood of releases people like me waiting for the format war to end have more then enough stuff to buy and rent in the meantime. -Brian

10-07-2007, 11:42 AM	#13
SolidBlu Power Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Singapore Trading Score:2	I am solid blu, just look at my code name...

10-07-2007, 12:38 PM	#14
Zyclone Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Somewhere over the rainbow Home Theater Gallery:3 Blu-ray collection:304	when universal does go blu i suspect they will dump everything onto blu discs so you will be seeing the same crappy transfer anway.

10-07-2007, 01:32 PM	#15
patrick99 Special Member Member since:Jun 2007	Although I originally bought an HD DVD player at about the same time I bought my first BD player, in September of this year, and also for a time bought some HD DVDs, earlier this year I not only stopped buying any more HD DVDs but also stopped watching the HD DVDs I had already bought. I completely agree that those of us who believe that BD is the technologically superior format, with the capability of delivering superior PQ and AQ, should not be supporting the red side in any way. If there is a movie from an HD DVD exclusive studio that I want to see, I will buy the SD version.

10-07-2007, 02:10 PM	#16
almy Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	From what I've read, the powers-that-be at Warners are very much aware of the HD limitations and about "dumbing down" titles from HD to BD - it costs them more Qo put a given title on 2 discs for HD when it fits on a single BD disc. This was mentioned by one of their execs about a month ago when he said they were going to closely watch the sales figures of both formats during q4.

10-08-2007, 05:25 PM	#17
BLackie Member Member since:Jan 2007	I think the war will last longer than the holidays, Especially since HD DVD is getting the bourne Ultimatum right around christmas shopping time, the fourth highest grossing movie of the year and not a movie thats been out. But blu overall is having better tittles comming out so we have to wait and see.

10-08-2007, 05:40 PM	#18
coolmilo Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Silicon Valley Home Theater Gallery:16 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:2	Neutrality means DVD wins the format war

10-08-2007, 06:00 PM	#19
mdm1699 Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:NJ Home Theater Gallery:9	Excellent post. I have thought about HD-DVD because I want BB, Matrix, V, and Posiedon. I just refuse to buy a paper weight just to watch those movies. Where is the Utility? If anything, my resolve as never been stronger at this point. At the same time, my blood is boiling at Warner for failing to release those titles on blu-ray. Neutrality my butt! Scrap the darn extras and give me the crappy VC1 video and audio. I don't care. Let the people who want the extras wait for the double-dip. I HATE Warner.

10-08-2007, 06:29 PM	#20
Mikeesracing Active Member Member since:Oct 2006 Location:Kuwait	If everyone goes neutral the only winner will be Toshiba. They will be the only producer of HD DVD players, which is what they want. I feel that it will make Toshiba lazy. I think their quality will slip. With no compitition, there will be no one to chanlenge them to make a better product. In a free market society compitition is what drives the quaility up and the price down. I think that will hurt Toshiba being the only HD DVD Producer in the long run, but the will clean up on the short term.

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