Quick-Loading Times + 24p DVD Playback + around $250 = ??? - Blu-ray Forum

JJ · 12-19-2009, 08:53 PM

Well, considering that my 35's slow loading times have been steadily bothering me, and that today it finally refused to play a movie (Inglourious Basterds) - I've decided it's time for a new stand alone. I don't need any internet connectivity or WiFi or Netflix or any such extra stuff. I'm just thinking quick loading times and 24p option of DVD playback.

I've been hearing great things about the JVC unit, the XV-BP1, and also looking at the Sony BDP-N460. Any Samsung/LG units you chaps know that could steer me on the right path? I'm reading the Amazon review pages and the threads here, but figured I'd cheat a bit and create a thread as well.

The only reason I'm not considering the Oppo unit is that I can't fully justify the $500 when there's a new BD spec coming out within a year or so.

progers13 · 12-19-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JJxiv1215

Well, considering that my 35's slow loading times have been steadily bothering me, and that today it finally refused to play a movie (Inglourious Basterds) - I've decided it's time for a new stand alone. I don't need any internet connectivity or WiFi or Netflix or any such extra stuff. I'm just thinking quick loading times and 24p option of DVD playback.

I've been hearing great things about the JVC unit, the XV-BP1, and also looking at the Sony BDP-N460. Any Samsung/LG units you chaps know that could steer me on the right path? I'm reading the Amazon review pages and the threads here, but figured I'd cheat a bit and create a thread as well.

The only reason I'm not considering the Oppo unit is that I can't fully justify the $500 when there's a new BD spec coming out within a year or so.

Can you spring an extra $50 for a PS3? Or is a gaming console out of the question for you? I only ask because my PS3 doesn't have any of the issues you're currently experiencing. It's got FAST load times, plays every disc I throw at it, and supports 24p.

Edit: Nevermind - saw in your sig you already have a PS3. Why don't you just use that?

lojack1976 · 12-19-2009, 09:13 PM

This is just my opinion, but I personally think you should just use your PS3 if you don't want to go with the Oppo. I don't think there's a player under $400 that will give you better results. At best you can probably find a good player that will give you equal performance, but why bother when you already own a PS3? Suck it up and buy the Oppo or a Pioneer if you want to improve upon what the PS3 does.

JJ · 12-19-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by progers13

Can you spring an extra $50 for a PS3? Or is a gaming console out of the question for you? I only ask because my PS3 doesn't have any of the issues you're currently experiencing. It's got FAST load times, plays every disc I throw at it, and supports 24p.

Edit: Nevermind - saw in your sig you already have a PS3. Why don't you just use that?

I had to today to finally see Basterds, lol. Long story Rog, but I'd still prefer a stand-alone.

I wouldn't mess with the new Pioneers due to them STILL having the DVD-layer change issue and slow-loading times, from what I've read, lojack.

No comments on the JVC?

Wingman1977 · 12-19-2009, 09:15 PM

The Sony BDP-S560 is supposedly fast with loading times (I haven't found any site that has reviewed it so I can't vouch for it since I don't own it). Also, the Samsung BD-P3600 has gotten rave reviews from cnet f (I'll vouch for it since I just picked it up and I'm pleased with it's fast loading times) and the loading times are faster than the ps3. Both can be found under $250 (Best Buy has both for $230).

PS here is the cnet review for the BD-P3600:
http://reviews.cnet.com/blu-ray-play...?tag=mncol;lst

progers13 · 12-19-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JJxiv1215

I had to today to finally see Basterds, lol. Long story Rog, but I'd still prefer a stand-alone.

I wouldn't mess with the new Pioneers due to them STILL having the DVD-layer change issue and slow-loading times, from what I've read, lojack.

No comments on the JVC?

It's called a conundrum.

I'm in the same boat. I want to keep the mileage off my PS3, but I haven't seen a unit in the price range that can do what it does. I plan to get an Oppo, like you, but I'm holding out for now.

JJ · 12-19-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wingman1977

The Sony BDP-S560 is supposedly fast with loading times (I haven't found any site that has reviewed it so I can't vouch for it since I don't own it). Also, the Samsung BD-P3600 has gotten rave reviews from cnet f (I'll vouch for it since I just picked it up and I'm pleased with it's fast loading times) and the loading times are faster than the ps3. Both can be found under $250 (Best Buy has both for $230).

PS here is the cnet review for the BD-P3600:
http://reviews.cnet.com/blu-ray-play...?tag=mncol;lst

Oh wow, the the S560 so far might be what I'm looking for, I'm reading up on it now.

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Originally Posted by progers13

It's called a conundrum.

I'm in the same boat. I want to keep the mileage off my PS3, but I haven't seen a unit in the price range that can do what it does. I plan to get an Oppo, like you, but I'm holding out for now.

Mileage is just one of the many reasons, rog! Exactly. Quite the paradox.

::Pulls hair out::

This is the first issue I've ever had with any BD players I've owned, and that goes back to the Panny 10. But it made me think as to whether I need a new one. The Samsung seems plagued with issues, from what I'm seeing on Amazon reviews - don't think I'd get that one. Sony seems to be my pick still - given Panasonic + Pioneer's slow times and layer-change, the cost of the Oppo - I'm reading about the LG ones now. Any brands I'm missing here?

ZIPPO · 12-19-2009, 09:52 PM

Sell the Pioneer SACD + Panny BDP & get OPPO?

JJ · 12-19-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ZIPPO

Sell the Pioneer SACD + Panny BDP & get OPPO?

See, now THERE'S an idea. Quite the revolutionary thinking. Let's see - I could get...what, $100 for the SA-CD and around, what, $75 for the BDP? I'd still be $75 short, not too much - I suppose I didn't really want to spend over $200 to begin with - but great idea. I need to think about this more.

ZIPPO · 12-19-2009, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JJxiv1215

The only reason I'm not considering the Oppo unit is that I can't fully justify the $500 when there's a new BD spec coming out within a year or so.

Will the new BD spec( 3D? ) require a new TV? If so I'm skipping it.

JJ · 12-19-2009, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ZIPPO

Will the new BD spec( 3D? ) require a new TV? If so I'm skipping it.

Yes, lol. In my case, it will. I think some Samsung DLPs are equipped for it. But I'll be damned if I replace my Kuro.

lojack1976 · 12-19-2009, 10:03 PM

I was mostly looking at this from a video performance viewpoint which is why I think the Oppo and Pioneer players are good choices, but yeah I do feel you with the load times. I originally had a BD-P1500 Samsung in the bedroom and it drove me crazy. It was soooo slow. My Sony is much better, but it doesn't come anywhere near the speed of the PS3.

I don't have the time to game nearly as much as like, and when I do its mostly on the Xbox 360 so I don't concern myself with wearing out my PS3. I have a launch day PS3 myself and its still going strong. I'm of the opinion that if you are going with any player that's $300 or under then you might as well use the PS3.

Think about it. The PS3 Slim is $300, so if you have that and a quality standalone for a total of $600 and one dies then you are still going to fork over money for another. If you spent more on an earlier PS3 then your total cost is even more...not to mention you've already spent money on the Panasonic player. If you just use your PS3 and one day it dies then you just buy another one for $300...maybe less if its far enough down the road. I just feel like if you are going to get a new standalone you may as well get a visual upgrade while you're at it since nothing in the $300 range is an upgrade over the PS3.

JJ · 12-19-2009, 10:16 PM

I think you're right, lojack.

But still - the idea of selling the DV-48 and the Panny 35 to get an Oppo - is incredibly tantalizing.

DAMN YOU ZIPPO! For giving me that idea.

lojack1976 · 12-19-2009, 10:27 PM

I think that's a good idea too. The Oppo is a terrific value.

JJ · 12-19-2009, 10:39 PM

You chaps are supposed to be trying to SAVE me money, not encourage me to spend more.

Dammit. Once I get an idea in my head, it haunts me until I do it or decide it is 100% unfeasible.

The other day, one of my friends thought it was a good idea to put an exit sign in my theater. Now I just might. *(#*&@$&#

lojack1976 · 12-19-2009, 11:07 PM

Hahaha! Technically you are saving money. You were prepared to buy a new $300 player, but now you are considering selling two pieces of equipment to cover the costs of a better player which will cost you what...$75 on top of what you get for the other equipment? That's not a bad deal when you consider that the Oppo will replace both of those. Besides...if I have to keep looking at this damn forum and keep contracting upgraditis then damn-it I'm passing the disease along too!

Zman2k2 · 12-20-2009, 12:32 AM

Just to make it more difficult on you JJ, if you decide to sell the Pioneer, if I have money after Christmas, I'll buy it.

JJ · 12-20-2009, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Zman2k2

Just to make it more difficult on you JJ, if you decide to sell the Pioneer, if I have money after Christmas, I'll buy it.

If you're serious, then let's keep in touch - because having a potential buyer readily available will make me that much more willing to part with it...

Zman2k2 · 12-20-2009, 12:43 AM

Absolutely. You've been PM'ed.

SeismicShift · 12-23-2009, 03:49 PM

Does the PS3 play SD DVDs at 24p? I didn't think it did, even if you had the 24 setting selected. If it does then it will definitely be the BD player for me.

12-19-2009, 08:53 PM	#1
JJ Blu-ray Count Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Miami, FL Home Theater Gallery:99 4K collection:619 Blu-ray collection:1293 DVD collection:31 Digital collection:5 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:203	Quick-Loading Times + 24p DVD Playback + around $250 = ??? Well, considering that my 35's slow loading times have been steadily bothering me, and that today it finally refused to play a movie (Inglourious Basterds) - I've decided it's time for a new stand alone. I don't need any internet connectivity or WiFi or Netflix or any such extra stuff. I'm just thinking quick loading times and 24p option of DVD playback. I've been hearing great things about the JVC unit, the XV-BP1, and also looking at the Sony BDP-N460. Any Samsung/LG units you chaps know that could steer me on the right path? I'm reading the Amazon review pages and the threads here, but figured I'd cheat a bit and create a thread as well. The only reason I'm not considering the Oppo unit is that I can't fully justify the $500 when there's a new BD spec coming out within a year or so. Last edited by JJ; 12-19-2009 at 08:58 PM.

12-19-2009, 09:15 PM	#5
Wingman1977 Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Mar 2008 Location:The empire state Trading Score:23	The Sony BDP-S560 is supposedly fast with loading times (I haven't found any site that has reviewed it so I can't vouch for it since I don't own it). Also, the Samsung BD-P3600 has gotten rave reviews from cnet f (I'll vouch for it since I just picked it up and I'm pleased with it's fast loading times) and the loading times are faster than the ps3. Both can be found under $250 (Best Buy has both for $230). PS here is the cnet review for the BD-P3600: http://reviews.cnet.com/blu-ray-play...?tag=mncol;lst Last edited by Wingman1977; 12-19-2009 at 09:18 PM.

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12-19-2009, 09:13 PM	#3
lojack1976 Blu-ray Guru Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Aug 2008 Location:7 Cities, VA Home Theater Gallery:62 Blu-ray collection:203	This is just my opinion, but I personally think you should just use your PS3 if you don't want to go with the Oppo. I don't think there's a player under $400 that will give you better results. At best you can probably find a good player that will give you equal performance, but why bother when you already own a PS3? Suck it up and buy the Oppo or a Pioneer if you want to improve upon what the PS3 does.

12-19-2009, 09:52 PM	#8
ZIPPO Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2008 Location:Columbus, Ohio Home Theater Gallery:148 Blu-ray collection:472 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:3	Sell the Pioneer SACD + Panny BDP & get OPPO?

12-19-2009, 10:03 PM	#12
lojack1976 Blu-ray Guru Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Aug 2008 Location:7 Cities, VA Home Theater Gallery:62 Blu-ray collection:203	I was mostly looking at this from a video performance viewpoint which is why I think the Oppo and Pioneer players are good choices, but yeah I do feel you with the load times. I originally had a BD-P1500 Samsung in the bedroom and it drove me crazy. It was soooo slow. My Sony is much better, but it doesn't come anywhere near the speed of the PS3. I don't have the time to game nearly as much as like, and when I do its mostly on the Xbox 360 so I don't concern myself with wearing out my PS3. I have a launch day PS3 myself and its still going strong. I'm of the opinion that if you are going with any player that's $300 or under then you might as well use the PS3. Think about it. The PS3 Slim is $300, so if you have that and a quality standalone for a total of $600 and one dies then you are still going to fork over money for another. If you spent more on an earlier PS3 then your total cost is even more...not to mention you've already spent money on the Panasonic player. If you just use your PS3 and one day it dies then you just buy another one for $300...maybe less if its far enough down the road. I just feel like if you are going to get a new standalone you may as well get a visual upgrade while you're at it since nothing in the $300 range is an upgrade over the PS3.

12-19-2009, 10:16 PM	#13
JJ Blu-ray Count Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Miami, FL Home Theater Gallery:99 4K collection:619 Blu-ray collection:1293 DVD collection:31 Digital collection:5 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:203	I think you're right, lojack. But still - the idea of selling the DV-48 and the Panny 35 to get an Oppo - is incredibly tantalizing. DAMN YOU ZIPPO! For giving me that idea.

12-19-2009, 10:27 PM	#14
lojack1976 Blu-ray Guru Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Aug 2008 Location:7 Cities, VA Home Theater Gallery:62 Blu-ray collection:203	I think that's a good idea too. The Oppo is a terrific value.

12-19-2009, 10:39 PM	#15
JJ Blu-ray Count Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Miami, FL Home Theater Gallery:99 4K collection:619 Blu-ray collection:1293 DVD collection:31 Digital collection:5 Blu-ray reviews: 18 Trading Score:203	You chaps are supposed to be trying to SAVE me money, not encourage me to spend more. Dammit. Once I get an idea in my head, it haunts me until I do it or decide it is 100% unfeasible. The other day, one of my friends thought it was a good idea to put an exit sign in my theater. Now I just might. (#&@$&#

12-19-2009, 11:07 PM	#16
lojack1976 Blu-ray Guru Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Aug 2008 Location:7 Cities, VA Home Theater Gallery:62 Blu-ray collection:203	Hahaha! Technically you are saving money. You were prepared to buy a new $300 player, but now you are considering selling two pieces of equipment to cover the costs of a better player which will cost you what...$75 on top of what you get for the other equipment? That's not a bad deal when you consider that the Oppo will replace both of those. Besides...if I have to keep looking at this damn forum and keep contracting upgraditis then damn-it I'm passing the disease along too!

12-20-2009, 12:32 AM	#17
Zman2k2 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Calgary, Canada Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:136 Trading Score:54	Just to make it more difficult on you JJ, if you decide to sell the Pioneer, if I have money after Christmas, I'll buy it.

12-20-2009, 12:43 AM	#19
Zman2k2 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Calgary, Canada Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:136 Trading Score:54	Absolutely. You've been PM'ed.

12-23-2009, 03:49 PM	#20
SeismicShift New Member Member since:Dec 2009	Does the PS3 play SD DVDs at 24p? I didn't think it did, even if you had the 24 setting selected. If it does then it will definitely be the BD player for me.

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