Which Receiver Is Recommended And Where To Sell???

[horror4life245]

I have a Yamaha HTR-6230 and Best Buy lied through their teeth about all the features, which turned out to be a lot of false statements. I want a new receiver that can HANDLE being loud. I have a small room and shouldn't be hard. I was looking at the Yamaha RX-V465. If anyone has it or has had it, is it worth the money? Is there another receiver you guys recommend? I'm looking for one that isn't too expensive, I guess one around $200 to close to $400. Please be specific and tell me about why I should or should not get the Yamaha RX-V465. I require quite a few HDMI in and one HDMI out and it has to support the newer codecs such as DTS-HD, etc..

Also, I want to sell my Yamaha HTR-6230, and it came in a home theater in a box with a subwoofer, 2 front speakers, 2 rear speakers, and a center speaker. Anyone know where I could sell these and get some money to put towards a new receiver and speakers? All of the speakers are in PERFECT condition, but I LOVEEEE it to be loud and I feel that they will blow if I turn it up too loud. The receiver is in MINT condition and I have had this system since late summer.

Please help!!! Thanks!!!!

P.S. I'm kind of new to being picky with sound, so I need some help here. Thanks!

[tootall82103]

Check out a Yamaha 663
http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-V663...2166815&sr=8-1
Not sure if it will be any louder than what you already have, but it supports HD audio and has 7.1 pre-outs so you can add an external amp down the road (check out Emotiva amps) Though it only has 2 HDMI inputs you can fix that easily with an HDMI switch from Monoprice.com. I purchased a 5x1 for $35 bucks. plenty of other options also but that is the first that came to mind. I'm sure the thread will fill up with suggestions shortly.

[HiDefRev]

The SPEAKERS you use have as much to do with being LOUD as does the receiver. If the speakers are efficient ( eg. 90 dB/w/m or better ), you'll not need as much power as you would with less efficient speakers. A receiver rated at approx. 100 watts/channel should deliver ample power to blast you away, providing that you are using the right speakers. Very few HTiBs are able to provide the right match of power and speakers ( exception being Onkyo ).

[horror4life245]

Originally Posted by HiDefRev

The SPEAKERS you use have as much to do with being LOUD as does the receiver. If the speakers are efficient ( eg. 90 dB/w/m or better ), you'll not need as much power as you would with less efficient speakers. A receiver rated at approx. 100 watts/channel should deliver ample power to blast you away, providing that you are using the right speakers. Very few HTiBs are able to provide the right match of power and speakers ( exception being Onkyo ).

So what receiver and speakers would you recommend???
It's a fairly small room and shouldn't be hard to blast me away with tons of sound, but I want something that is up for a reasonable price that's loud and clear. Any recommendations for a specific receiver?????

Also, I'm looking at another one. It's the Pioneer 7.1 VSX-1019AH-K

Anyone have any comments on it rather if it's REALLY good or not? It's 120 Watts per channel and supports all newer Blu-Ray codecs, anyone have a review they can give me in detail?

Thanks!

[jerwin]

Originally Posted by horror4life245

It's the Pioneer 7.1 VSX-1019AH-K
Anyone have any comments on it rather if it's REALLY good or not? It's 120 Watts per channel and supports all newer Blu-Ray codecs, anyone have a review they can give me in detail?

Thanks!

here's a review.

Check out the benchmarks.

Many small home theater speakers are spectacularly inefficient.

[horror4life245]

Originally Posted by jerwin

here's a review.

Check out the benchmarks.

Many small home theater speakers are spectacularly inefficient.

I read through the review and it's a little confusing. They basically said it's REALLY good at performing then said it could be soft compared to a lot of other receivers. Also, it says this receiver is 90 Watts per channel, not 120 Watts????? What?!

Anyone have this and can tell me if this thing can support loud noises?
If not this, what receiver is known to be LOUD and CLEAR?

[KASR]

Will help anyone make an educated suggestion if we have your budget or the number you want to stay within.

[jerwin]

First off, stereo companies lie about the wattage of their receivers. Some of them lie in different ways than others. The all channels driven test attempts measure the performance of all 7 channels at the same time-- like in a movie. Two channels is typical for music. Most receivers will not have the juice to run all their amplifiers at full tilt.

However, some companies will quote the results of sending a single 1 KH sine wave through a single channel into a six ohm load for a few seconds. This is known as cheating, since it does not come close to a real life scenario.

If you really want loud, you could look at more efficient speakers. Klipsch, for instance.

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by horror4life245

I have a Yamaha HTR-6230 and Best Buy lied through their teeth about all the features, which turned out to be a lot of false statements. I want a new receiver that can HANDLE being loud. I have a small room and shouldn't be hard. I was looking at the Yamaha RX-V465. If anyone has it or has had it, is it worth the money? Is there another receiver you guys recommend? I'm looking for one that isn't too expensive, I guess one around $200 to close to $400. Please be specific and tell me about why I should or should not get the Yamaha RX-V465. I require quite a few HDMI in and one HDMI out and it has to support the newer codecs such as DTS-HD, etc..

Also, I want to sell my Yamaha HTR-6230, and it came in a home theater in a box with a subwoofer, 2 front speakers, 2 rear speakers, and a center speaker. Anyone know where I could sell these and get some money to put towards a new receiver and speakers? All of the speakers are in PERFECT condition, but I LOVEEEE it to be loud and I feel that they will blow if I turn it up too loud. The receiver is in MINT condition and I have had this system since late summer.

Please help!!! Thanks!!!!

P.S. I'm kind of new to being picky with sound, so I need some help here. Thanks!

howdy, my first and future recommendation to you and to everyone, don't go and buy anything that you don't already know about; sales people will tell you anything and more times than not they are wrong. Most of the things you asked should be answered by you, not us. I mean that you know the size room you have, it won't need a high powered system to fill it with sound. you need to do your research, narrow it down, feel free to give say two items and state why you like each of them and ask for opinions on those two. i'm just saying more times than not with a little personal elbow grease you can answer and solve most of your problems.

with that said, for a small room you won't need a lot of power. i can't speak for the efficiency of the speakers that came with your HTiB but perhaps you could do with more efficient speakers, for example Klipsch make incredibly high efficiency rated speakers some as high as 97db but most are 90db+.

you didn't mention what you are connecting to the receiver (by brand & model) this will help in knowing how your getting sound and video to the receiver, i.e. do you want or need to do analog multichannel in? you mentioned you want a receiver that does (decodes) HD codecs, that's what you should be looking for.

how many HDMI's do you want? things like that.

you mentioned the word loud, what do you mean loud. for a small room you really don't need that much power to make it "loud" did you mean ear busting loud? is it possible that the "speaker levels" are turned down low on the existing receiver, have you checked that. if the levels are down on the individual channels, the signal you get to each speaker will be lower and even turning up the volume knob will not necessarily give the desired results.

your current receiver will not decode HD codecs it will pass audio straight through and it has analog multichannel inputs so if you have a blu-ray player that decodes HD codecs onboard you can send it out either LPCM via HDMI or via analog multichannel and you will get analog sound.

part of the beauty of this hobby we all love is the research for knowledge about things, individual research. I think if you put some time in and do your homework on this and other sites you will come to a very good couple of choices of what will work for you then come back and let us know the whats & why's of the particular gear you are thinking about and it will be better for you and us. this way we aren't out doing the work for you but giving our opinion on what you have done your research on.

i know that was not what you wanted to hear, but in the long run, you will be better equipted and more knowledgable about things and you won't go through what you ended up going through at BB or any place else physical or online. it's gotta start with you. so, please don't take my post the wrong way as negative because it's not intended to be negative.

best of luck, let us know what you have narrowed it down to and we will give our opinions on it; i know i will.

[jerwin]

For loud movies, a powerful (i.e. not from best buy) subwoofer is a must.

[McGarnigal]

From what i gather, its better to avoid low end pioneers, but their elites are great.

[horror4life245]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

howdy, my first and future recommendation to you and to everyone, don't go and buy anything that you don't already know about; sales people will tell you anything and more times than not they are wrong. Most of the things you asked should be answered by you, not us. I mean that you know the size room you have, it won't need a high powered system to fill it with sound. you need to do your research, narrow it down, feel free to give say two items and state why you like each of them and ask for opinions on those two. i'm just saying more times than not with a little personal elbow grease you can answer and solve most of your problems.

with that said, for a small room you won't need a lot of power. i can't speak for the efficiency of the speakers that came with your HTiB but perhaps you could do with more efficient speakers, for example Klipsch make incredibly high efficiency rated speakers some as high as 97db but most are 90db+.

you didn't mention what you are connecting to the receiver (by brand & model) this will help in knowing how your getting sound and video to the receiver, i.e. do you want or need to do analog multichannel in? you mentioned you want a receiver that does (decodes) HD codecs, that's what you should be looking for.

how many HDMI's do you want? things like that.

you mentioned the word loud, what do you mean loud. for a small room you really don't need that much power to make it "loud" did you mean ear busting loud? is it possible that the "speaker levels" are turned down low on the existing receiver, have you checked that. if the levels are down on the individual channels, the signal you get to each speaker will be lower and even turning up the volume knob will not necessarily give the desired results.

your current receiver will not decode HD codecs it will pass audio straight through and it has analog multichannel inputs so if you have a blu-ray player that decodes HD codecs onboard you can send it out either LPCM via HDMI or via analog multichannel and you will get analog sound.

part of the beauty of this hobby we all love is the research for knowledge about things, individual research. I think if you put some time in and do your homework on this and other sites you will come to a very good couple of choices of what will work for you then come back and let us know the whats & why's of the particular gear you are thinking about and it will be better for you and us. this way we aren't out doing the work for you but giving our opinion on what you have done your research on.

i know that was not what you wanted to hear, but in the long run, you will be better equipted and more knowledgable about things and you won't go through what you ended up going through at BB or any place else physical or online. it's gotta start with you. so, please don't take my post the wrong way as negative because it's not intended to be negative.

best of luck, let us know what you have narrowed it down to and we will give our opinions on it; i know i will.

I researched for 5 hours yesterday and 2 hours today....
I did research I went to stores to check them out, but I'm looking to hear for some recommended receivers that people on here may know would be recommended for me. I said quite a few HDMI...so I DID say, which means more than 2...I mean loud by when you go to the theaters and you can feel the sound trembling your feet, which shouldn't be hard to accomplish in my small room. I did narrow it down by asking about a couple receivers, which I got a reply pointing at a review. So I have narrowed some down, but I want MORE options and paths to take on this so I get what's worth every penny. Thanks for posting, though.

[horror4life245]

Originally Posted by jerwin

For loud movies, a powerful (i.e. not from best buy) subwoofer is a must.

Well, yeah I'll get the subwoofer after I get the receiver. Right now I'm just trying to find the receiver and as I'm gathering all the money for that, I'll look for the actual speakers. Which will probably be Klipsch brand, Polk Audio brand, or Bose brand.

[horror4life245]

Originally Posted by McGarnigal

From what i gather, its better to avoid low end pioneers, but their elites are great.

As much as I really want one of the Pioneer Elites, they are a bit out of my price range.
Anything from around $300 to somewhere in the $400's would be good. But I can probably find some for cheaper on eBay that are new and in box or at a third party source. So if it's in the early-mid $500 range, that's fine too. Any amount of HDMI slots are fine.
I have a Momitsu Region Free Blu-Ray Player and a cable box hooked to it by HDMI. I have 1 HDMI going from the receiver to my Samsung 40 inch 1080P. I want something that will BLOW you away when you hear it, something that will make you even have to turn it DOWN because it's so loud. Something LOUD, CLEAR, yet still affordable. I don't need all the special features with radio and stuff like that, as long as it supports the newest Blu-Ray codecs.

[ZedsDead]

Originally Posted by horror4life245

Well, yeah I'll get the subwoofer after I get the receiver. Right now I'm just trying to find the receiver and as I'm gathering all the money for that, I'll look for the actual speakers. Which will probably be Klipsch brand, Polk Audio brand, or Bose brand.

Oh no, you said the "B" word....Bose. Not to beat a dead horse but Bose does not get much love from audio 'veterans' shall we say; Bose are generally overpriced and more marketing than real world performance.

Klipsch and Polk are both nice speaker companies. In quick summary Klipsch speakers tend to be 'bright' sounding while Polk's tend to be more 'warm' sounding. I'm assuming you picked these brands because you have encountered them at a local retailer? Anyways it's really important for you to audition them before buying them if possible. Their are easily dozens of other speaker companies out there you might get thrown at you but I am not going to do that.

Moving on to your suggestion of a receiver I would recommend some of the following budget to mid priced receivers.

Yamaha rx-v765 (which is what I use) good price @ http://www.abesofmaine.com/item.do?i...765&l=PRICEGR2

Pioneer vsx-23txh good price @
http://www.abesofmaine.com/item.do?i...TXH&l=PRICEGR2

Onkyo 707 good price @
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-135-_-Product

Onkyo 607 good price @
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...138&CatId=4586

[callas01]

Ok just about every receiver you will see at BB will say 90-120 watts per channel(wpc) but will be between 30-50 when operating 5-7 channels. I would suggest the Yamaha 863 from amazon for about $500 has 3 hdmi's inputs and will give good power and has all the other features you will need.

Otherwise you can look at accessories4less.com at the Marantz 5003, that will give you the true output of 87.8 wpc when running 5-7 channels. It is about $450 but it is refurbished with a one year warranty. However they sound great and have good power.

Outside of that you can look at any of these
Sony STR-DN1000
Onkyo 607
Yamaha 665
Pioneer 1019
Harman Kardon 254 (HK ebay store sells refurbs)

All should be between $300-500. They all have their own sound and all are good, it will just be what sounds good to you.

[cojake]

Originally Posted by ZedsDead

Oh no, you said the "B" word....Bose. Not to beat a dead horse but Bose does not get much love from audio 'veterans' shall we say; Bose are generally overpriced and more marketing than real world performance.

Klipsch and Polk are both nice speaker companies. In quick summary Klipsch speakers tend to be 'bright' sounding while Polk's tend to be more 'warm' sounding. I'm assuming you picked these brands because you have encountered them at a local retailer? Anyways it's really important for you to audition them before buying them if possible. Their are easily dozens of other speaker companies out there you might get thrown at you but I am not going to do that.

Moving on to your suggestion of a receiver I would recommend some of the following budget to mid priced receivers.

Yamaha rx-v765 (which is what I use) good price @ http://www.abesofmaine.com/item.do?i...765&l=PRICEGR2

Pioneer vsx-23txh good price @
http://www.abesofmaine.com/item.do?i...TXH&l=PRICEGR2

Onkyo 707 good price @
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-135-_-Product

Onkyo 607 good price @
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...138&CatId=4586

Zed is pretty much right on the money with his recomendations. Any of those receivers paired with a decent speaker package will sound great. I too am not a Bose fan for sound quality. Bose makes an excellent product for the right person. It is easy to set up, reliable and a lot of women love the tiny hideable speakers. However if you compare any other speaker dollar for dollar, you would most likely not pick Bose.
To get big sound you need to move more air. Most of the smaller speakers don't have very big cones to recreate bass. A half decent powered subwoofer is a must if you want movies to rock. The sub will also take pressure off the smaller speakers so they won't have to work as hard.

[horror4life245]

Originally Posted by ZedsDead

Oh no, you said the "B" word....Bose. Not to beat a dead horse but Bose does not get much love from audio 'veterans' shall we say; Bose are generally overpriced and more marketing than real world performance.

Klipsch and Polk are both nice speaker companies. In quick summary Klipsch speakers tend to be 'bright' sounding while Polk's tend to be more 'warm' sounding. I'm assuming you picked these brands because you have encountered them at a local retailer? Anyways it's really important for you to audition them before buying them if possible. Their are easily dozens of other speaker companies out there you might get thrown at you but I am not going to do that.

Moving on to your suggestion of a receiver I would recommend some of the following budget to mid priced receivers.

Yamaha rx-v765 (which is what I use) good price @ http://www.abesofmaine.com/item.do?i...765&l=PRICEGR2

Pioneer vsx-23txh good price @
http://www.abesofmaine.com/item.do?i...TXH&l=PRICEGR2

Onkyo 707 good price @
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-135-_-Product

Onkyo 607 good price @
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...138&CatId=4586

Thanks so much for the awesome recommendations and links! I'll go check some of these out at a few audio stores to test 'em out.

[horror4life245]

Originally Posted by cojake

Zed is pretty much right on the money with his recomendations. Any of those receivers paired with a decent speaker package will sound great. I too am not a Bose fan for sound quality. Bose makes an excellent product for the right person. It is easy to set up, reliable and a lot of women love the tiny hideable speakers. However if you compare any other speaker dollar for dollar, you would most likely not pick Bose.
To get big sound you need to move more air. Most of the smaller speakers don't have very big cones to recreate bass. A half decent powered subwoofer is a must if you want movies to rock. The sub will also take pressure off the smaller speakers so they won't have to work as hard.

Haha shows what I know about audio. My expertise is a bit more in video than audio, even though I love both equally.
Yeah, a strong sub is on my list of things I have to get. Hopefully Best Buy will let me test some of those receivers that were listed earlier. If not, I'll look around for some smaller audio stores since they'll test all I want as long as I seem interested. I'll report back after I check some receivers out and tell you guys what I think 'bout them!

[Histep]

I just read this thread with interest. You want to spend $350-$500.
The Onkyo's can be found at bargain prices, BUT they do indeed run very hot!
I suggest this: Go to Amazon.com and look at both the Yamaha 663($329) AND the Yamaha 863 ($470) . You can read specs and reviews right on the Amazon site. These are basically the same receiver.I have the 863, which I think is indeed better. Tons and tons have been written about these receivers, particularly over on the AVS forum. These receivers were replaced by the Yamaha '65 series. Much has been written about Yamaha cutting corners on their new models. Go to Yamaha.com and do a bullett point comparison between the 863 and 1065 And the 663 with the 765. When you see the features left off the 863 for the new 1065, You will see that the 863 for $470 is an absolute bargain!
Like the guy used to say on TV - "I GAARRROTEEE" that Yammy 863 will get your neighbors attention! Mine certainly does, ( see my signature)
Furthermore, both these receivers have pre outs and can be used as a pre amp with an Emotiva Power AMP If you want more power. I don't see the need for more power because as it is, this Yammy 863 and my big Klipsch F-3's make my cats very nervous.

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