I Was Banned From AVS For This?

[cacruden]

Guess what, I posted a supporting response to blu-ray on AVS and I was NOT banned. There goes that theory, tested and failed.

[javayoda]

Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

The last sentence is the inflammatory remark, rather than that statement, point out what is wrong with Microsoft's marketing of VC-1. With a stupid format war like this, there are going to be emotional arguments in favor of one format or the other.

Microsoft insiders have suggested you don't need more than 30gb to encode a movie because VC-1 is so amazingly efficient. I believe they once claimed a 64kbps WMA file sounded as good as a 128kbps MP3. Anyone that's taken the time to compare will find the claim ludicrous.

But you're right, the format war is stupid

[Chris Gerhard]

Originally Posted by onanie

I share your sentiments. For a lot of the strong HD DVD proponents, the battle has already become an emotional one - is there still any non-emotional reason for supporting HD DVD? I'm afraid Mr. Kornblau is just one of them.

I can only see short term or emotional arguments in favor of HD DVD, nothing that makes even the slightest amount of sense to me. I read about the claimed HD DVD superiority in actual world results so I bought both and can safely call BS on the superiority claim. Long term we will be so much better off if HD DVD will just go bye bye.

Chris

[Chris Gerhard]

Originally Posted by javayoda

Microsoft insiders have suggested you don't need more than 30gb to encode a movie because VC-1 is so amazingly efficient. I believe they once claimed a 64kbps WMA file sounded as good as a 128kbps MP3. Anyone that's taken the time to compare will find the claim ludicrous.

But you're right, the format war is stupid

I wouldn't know the difference between a 64kbps WMA file and 128kbps MP3 file and a fly fart for that matter, I don't listen to any of them. I think others here have provided math that proves 30GB isn't sufficient in all cases even for VC-1 which I believe is actually a very good codec, but certainly not the end result and perfection by any stretch.

Logical arguments and technical specifications won't win the format war unfortunately but what I think is worthwhile is refuting the never ending nonsense supporting HD DVD whenever we have the opportunity and doing so without inflammatory comments, unless factual or supported by a well reasoned opinion about the relevant issues.

Chris

[Deciazulado]

It's interesting this thing about the codecs. I'm sure that BD50s with VC-1 hi bit-rate encodes tweaked to perfection would give excellent results and all of Warner titles (and if Universal produced BDs too) could be a showcase of the VC-1 codec that way, but instead it's being promoted as a "Look ma! We can shrink a 35mm into a CD!" thing by producing ever shrinking HD DVD video files. Which is one of the things that has totally convinced me the ulterior motive is not to promote HD DVDs in particular or High Definition discs in general, but to stall this war so long while convincing the mass public that low bitrate HD movies are acceptable by pre-exposing the public to it with HD DVD, while at the same time they get ready (since the infrastructure is not ready yet) for what they really really want: Selling and distributing downloads and download services.

I'm not really a Blu-ray supporter. I'm a high resolution film lover. I support the medium that has the capability to get us closer to the 35mm movie experience or beyond. That's why I support BD at this moment and I spend energy on it.

I don't want to settle for second best (HD DVD discs) or third best (9 Mb/s VC-1 downloads to insert into my PC) and I see that if the real entity behind this opposing and wasteful war gets it's way, my dream of having (finnally!) the best movie experience at my home, might not happen/it's not gonna happen.

So as I said before, consider what's at stake, o/~ You take nothing but your soooul. Think! ~\o - Yoko

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

It's interesting this thing about the codecs. I'm sure that BD50s with VC-1 hi bit-rate encodes tweaked to perfection would give excellent results and all of Warner titles (and if Universal produced BDs too) could be a showcase of the VC-1 codec that way, but instead it's being promoted as a "Look ma! We can shrink a 35mm into a CD!" thing by producing ever shrinking HD DVD video files. Which is one of the things that has totally convinced me the ulterior motive is not to promote HD DVDs in particular or High Definition discs in general, but to stall this war so long while convincing the mass public that low bitrate HD movies are acceptable by pre-exposing the public to it with HD DVD, while at the same time they get ready (since the infrastructure is not ready yet) for what they really really want: Selling and distributing downloads and download services.

I'm not really a Blu-ray supporter. I'm a high resolution film lover. I support the medium that has the capability to get us closer to the 35mm movie experience or beyond. That's why I support BD at this moment and I spend energy on it.

I don't want to settle for second best (HD DVD discs) or third best (9 Mb/s VC-1 downloads to insert into my PC) and I see that if the real entity behind this opposing and wasteful war gets it's way, my dream of having (finnally!) the best movie experience at my home, might not happen/it's not gonna happen.

So as I said before, consider what's at stake, o/~ You take nothing but your soooul. Think! ~\o - Yoko

Very excellent points. I also am a movie collector and before optical HDTV discs arrived on the market I was purchasing movies on the D-VHS format that had tapes that held 50GB. BLU-RAY is so much better quality then HD-DVD. BLU-RAY 50GB capacity matches the capacity of D-VHS HDTV tape. HD-DVD comes in 20GB short and does not support as high as bit rates as BLU-RAY.
If there is going to be a winner in this format war I want it to be BLU-RAY since it is the best quality format currently on the market.

[Chris Gerhard]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Very excellent points. I also am a movie collector and before optical HDTV discs arrived on the market I was purchasing movies on the D-VHS format that had tapes that held 50GB. BLU-RAY is so much better quality then HD-DVD. BLU-RAY 50GB capacity matches the capacity of D-VHS HDTV tape. HD-DVD comes in 20GB short and does not support as high as bit rates as BLU-RAY.
If there is going to be a winner in this format war I want it to be BLU-RAY since it is the best quality format currently on the market.

I own D-VHS and I believe the highest bitrate is lower for D-VHS than HD DVD. From memory, it seems 28.2 Mpbs for D-VHS to 30 for HD DVD. Total capacity is only relevant to quality when it results in having to reduce the bitrate for a given codec resulting from insufficient storage. I also own HD DVD and so far, I can say that Blu-ray isn't much better quality. If Blu-ray starts using higher bitrates then we can see if Blu-ray will be better, theory is clear it should be, but so far quality is a wash and both are better than D-VHS.

Chris

[Dave]

By the way yesterday they deleted 2-3 of my comments.

Also i have noticed that some mods delete posts and threads from BD section so that hd dvd looks bigger and more talked to!

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by Chris Gerhard

I also own HD DVD and so far, I can say that Blu-ray isn't much better quality. If Blu-ray starts using higher bitrates then we can see if Blu-ray will be better, theory is clear it should be, but so far quality is a wash and both are better than D-VHS.

Chris

True - but then depends on what your comparing since many BR discs are forced to use the lower bit rate from HD DVD...

Now if 10Mb/s doesn't mean better quality to someone on the fence between the 2 formats - maybe they should research this some more. We all know what the difference is between 16/48 and 24/48 - same would apply to video...

[GasCat]

They love to lock threads. The reader is then directed to a 50+ page thread where they can post current news. I saw this happen to "Blu-Ray wins Q1 quarter". It was closed and the thread referred to was one from the beginning of the year.

Buried but not forgotten.

[tobythetitan]

That's funny- I was threatened to be banned from here for saying (sarcastically) "HD DVD rules". Apparently sarcasm doesn't translate in type. People have to do what they have to do. Of course a Woman's right convention isn't going to look kindly on a man running in there screaming, "Men are great!" I would say-expect a warning or the boot.

[GasCat]

Originally Posted by tobythetitan

That's funny- I was threatened to be banned from here for saying (sarcastically) "HD DVD rules". Apparently sarcasm doesn't translate in type. People have to do what they have to do. Of course a Woman's right convention isn't going to look kindly on a man running in there screaming, "Men are great!" I would say-expect a warning or the boot.

LOL, I have to test that out. "HD DVD RULES!" *ducks*

The really funny thing is AVS actually believe there is a "Project Hydra" where the BDA sends people onto forums to sell Blu-Ray. There are some hilarious psy-ops going on if you are a critical reader.

[bluskiff]

blurays bitrate for video/audio is 54 hddvd bitrate is 36 thats a big difference. The video rate alone is blu 40 to hds 28. HDdvd can not change these rates and more disc space will not change them. shure a warner movie mite look the same on hddvd as it does on blu but that is probably because warner never took advantage of the blu bitrate and made them both the same. When you look a movie from fox,sony or diznee where they are using the full biterate thats where you will find the difference. The f4 silversurfer is the most beautiful video I have ever seen. That with pcm audio it the holy grail of home theatre.Bluray guys do not want to take a step backwords to hddvd we are dreaming about starwars in high bitrate video and true lossless pcm audio. Hd dvd can not deliver this kind of quality period.(unless they redesign the format) so never say never.

[CptGreedle]

Originally Posted by javayoda

"640K of memory should be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates

Well they claim that BG never really said that, he is really just trying to save face as it has been reported a lot and there is some evidence that he did, but the M$ camp is trying to make it look like an internet rumor. Saying anything like that in a forum full of M$ fanboys and advocates will get you banned fast.
Stick with apple! Apple is not evil like M$ is, and supports BD, unlike M$.
I will not say Apple is perfect, but it is far far better than M$.

[davidPS3]

I think we all know that if you post anything negative against the red team, you will get banned. They should rename that sight as they are red all the way.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by bluskiff

blurays bitrate for video/audio is 54 hddvd bitrate is 36 thats a big difference. The video rate alone is blu 40 to hds 28. HDdvd can not change these rates and more disc space will not change them. shure a warner movie mite look the same on hddvd as it does on blu but that is probably because warner never took advantage of the blu bitrate and made them both the same. When you look a movie from fox,sony or diznee where they are using the full biterate thats where you will find the difference. The f4 silversurfer is the most beautiful video I have ever seen. That with pcm audio it the holy grail of home theatre.Bluray guys do not want to take a step backwords to hddvd we are dreaming about starwars in high bitrate video and true lossless pcm audio. Hd dvd can not deliver this kind of quality period.(unless they redesign the format) so never say never.

Thats the biggest bunch of CRAP ever, & thats a 50/50 site,MY ASS.

[GasCat]

Originally Posted by Sonny

Thats the biggest bunch of CRAP ever, & thats a 50/50 site,MY ASS.

Huh? We want to know what you REALLY mean.

[BStecke]

I just kind of post whatever I want over there, waiting to get banned. I only post in the Blu Ray Software section, so I'm not trolling, although speaking your mind about BD in a BD forum is seemingly, and confusingly, taboo I only go there when I'm REALLY bored late at night and everybody's done posting on here. It's a horrible forum, which is a shame, because it used to be quite good. Their veil of neutrality is very thin, and nobody enforces the HD-DVD guys from running rampant and talking shit.

[Deadster]

I originally was going to their Blu-ray forum to look at the tier thread, but I've realized that their system sucks. One person will post and say "I watched this movie, it should go in (random color) tier." And they will immediately put it in that tier. I could go on there and pretend I watched a new movie and they would position it wherever I said. Maybe their list is relatively accurate, but I just don't like the way it's done. I pointed this out in the tier thread but didn't get banned for it.

[johnnyd1]

Originally Posted by davidPS3

I think we all know that if you post anything negative against the red team, you will get banned. They should rename that sight as they are red all the way.

Now ain't that the TRUTH !!! ( POST # 53)

Loaded with Rabid Red Ant's. Some change their name and Troll here !