Building A Custom PC Question v2

[tootall82103]

Originally Posted by b0bby

If I hold off on SSD because of prices, would my other option be those fast Raptor drives? I only need 40-80GB because again I don't plan on installing anything other than core apps.

I'd get a Western Digital Black 500gb. It's more space than what you need but the performance between it and the Raptors aren't that great. Plus you have the extra space if you ever need it.

[BLindsay]

Originally Posted by supersix4

lol that would look amazing in my HD bay area
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...-/4998e095.jpg

this pic is before i finished it all but u get the idea

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5048/img0147f.jpg

[BLindsay]

Originally Posted by tootall82103

I'd get a Western Digital Black 500gb. It's more space than what you need but the performance between it and the Raptors aren't that great. Plus you have the extra space if you ever need it.

Depends on the raptor

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-555-_-Product

but honestly if the OP is interested in WoW and specifically load times, my SSD's made a huuuuge difference in load times. there pretty much isnt any lol

[tootall82103]

Originally Posted by BDestroyer8418

@tootall82103

That is a nice Card but the OP needs to understand all the heat will be blown into the computer case so you need to have good Air Flow in the case plus those cards are not as good for Crossfire since it would blow the air onto the bottom card.

I would go with this one (it goes on sale you just need to watch for it) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814150464
Also has Double Lifetime Warranty as long as you Register within 30 days I believe it is. Means you can sell that card and the 2nd owner can register and get a lifetime warranty on it also.

Good card but I don't like reference coolers. They tend to be noiser and run warmer. Yes it also expells heat out the back of the case but it's not very hard to achieve a decent airflow to get that heat rolling off the video card outside the case. I'm pretty much looking at the fact that both are respectable brands, but 1 has a much higher quality cooler. Aside from playing WoW. How much work is the video card going to get? It won't be stressed at all which means it won't be getting very hot.
I'd still go for the MSI. You'll enjoy the nice cooler and it won't pose a problem for crossfire either. Anyone who builds a crossfire system should already have a decent airflow anyways.

[tootall82103]

Originally Posted by BLindsay

Depends on the raptor

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-555-_-Product

but honestly if the OP is interested in WoW and specifically load times, my SSD's made a huuuuge difference in load times. there pretty much isnt any lol

The WD Blacks move data about as fast as the Raptors. The access times are what are shorter. Having a Raptor or an SSD vs your basic 7200rpm hard drive will give you faster loading times for games and applications. You may get a couple (maybe) more FPS in games. You just have to decide if shelling out a couple hundred bucks for a raptor or SSD is worth not waiting as long, though the waits have never been that long anyways.

My PC****
I actually need to take an updated picture as I put a GT240 in for dedicated Physx / HDMI out to a TV.

It's old but I can get a couple more years out of it except for a GPU upgrade in another year or so.

Antec P182 Case
Corsair HX-620 PSU
Asus P5E X38 Mobo
Intel Q9550 @ 2.83GHz w/ Tuniq Tower 120
4x2GB Mushkin DDR2 800 Ram
MSI GTX 275 and Asus GT240 GPU
2x500GB Western Digital SE16 HDD
Sound Blaster X-Fi Gamer Sound Card
2x Lite-On DVD burners.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by BLindsay

this pic is before i finished it all but u get the idea

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5048/img0147f.jpg

It looks nothing like the disaster I was expecting.

[BLindsay]

Originally Posted by tootall82103

The WD Blacks move data about as fast as the Raptors. The access times are what are shorter. Having a Raptor or an SSD vs your basic 7200rpm hard drive will give you faster loading times for games and applications. You may get a couple (maybe) more FPS in games. You just have to decide if shelling out a couple hundred bucks for a raptor or SSD is worth not waiting as long, though the waits have never been that long anyways.

My PC****
I actually need to take an updated picture as I put a GT240 in for dedicated Physx / HDMI out to a TV.

It's old but I can get a couple more years out of it except for a GPU upgrade in another year or so.

Antec P182 Case
Corsair HX-620 PSU
Asus P5E X38 Mobo
Intel Q9550 @ 2.83GHz w/ Tuniq Tower 120
4x2GB Mushkin DDR2 800 Ram
MSI GTX 275 and Asus GT240 GPU
2x500GB Western Digital SE16 HDD
Sound Blaster X-Fi Gamer Sound Card
2x Lite-On DVD burners.

umm they dont move data faster then the raptor i linked. Thats the new one, and the platter density is much much greater = faster squential transfers. its 600GB on a 2.5" drive vs 500GB on a 3.5 = huge density difference.

Also the loading time difference was huge when i moved to SSD, even general usage is better. not really any more fps, maybe a bit smoother when it has to load something on the fly. but ill never go back to a mechanical drive for my boot drive

[BLindsay]

Originally Posted by supersix4

It looks nothing like the disaster I was expecting.

lol why were u expecting a disaster?

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by BLindsay

lol why were u expecting a disaster?

like clear tape bandaged around the box lol.

[BLindsay]

Originally Posted by supersix4

like clear tape bandaged around the box lol.

lol, i did it mostly cause i was running out of room on the otherside. i have 4 more hard drives (6 total) in there and with the watercooling... well yea alot of stuff

[tootall82103]

Originally Posted by BLindsay

umm they dont move data faster then the raptor i linked. Thats the new one, and the platter density is much much greater = faster squential transfers. its 600GB on a 2.5" drive vs 500GB on a 3.5 = huge density difference.

Also the loading time difference was huge when i moved to SSD, even general usage is better. not really any more fps, maybe a bit smoother when it has to load something on the fly. but ill never go back to a mechanical drive for my boot drive

From TweakTown
"At 330 USD the 600GB VelociRaptor is at the upper end of the mainstream platter based drives. 2TB drives that are priced around the same offer real world transfer speeds equal or greater than the VR200M, but also offer three times the capacity. These drives don’t offer the same user experience found in 10K RPM drives from the reduced access times, but you have to weigh where your priorities rest."

--Of course access times will improve a users experience. I (keyword: I) still don't think the price of SSDs or Raptors are worth it in terms of performance gain to price. If I had bottomless pockets I'd be all over a high end Intel SSD. For somebody who is on a budget you can't beat the price/performance of what has worked for so many years.

I wouldn't even bother looking at any 6gb/sec spinning hard drives. The first generation of them don't have very positive gains. I'd still go for that 500gb Sata 3g Western Digital Black for good performance at a great price!

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by tootall82103

If I had bottomless pockets I'd be all over a high end Intel SSD. For somebody who is on a budget you can't beat the price/performance of what has worked for so many years.

Yeah thats why we have them lol most normal people wouldn't consider ssd cost effective, but it is a great site to see

[b0bby]

Originally Posted by supersix4

Yeah thats why we have them lol most normal people wouldn't consider ssd cost effective, but it is a great site to see

i'd like to give ssd a try. how do you guys feel about refurbs? the sata 6.0 raptors are out of my price range so i've dropped the idea of raptors all together. im considering a low capicity (32-64GB) SSD for around ~150 or a cheapy 80gb 7200rpm sata. On newegg i'm seeing some 32GB SSDs selling for about the same price as a 64GB. is it safe to assume these high priced 32GBs are faster? sorry i'm clueless on SSD.

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by b0bby

i'd like to give ssd a try. how do you guys feel about refurbs? the sata 6.0 raptors are out of my price range so i've dropped the idea of raptors all together. im considering a low capicity (32-64GB) SSD for around ~150 or a cheapy 80gb 7200rpm sata. On newegg i'm seeing some 32GB SSDs selling for about the same price as a 64GB. is it safe to assume these high priced 32GBs are faster? sorry i'm clueless on SSD.

Yeah the intels have the best times (or at least had I haven't looked at benchmarks/reviews in a long time)

But yes its basically why there is such a price difference (some can be attributed to the name like intel), but the speeds are listed at least on new egg so you can see the access numbers

Heres what one guy wrote

Here is the specified performance:
Sequential Access - Read up to 250MB/s
Sequential Access - Write up to 70MB/s

Using CrystalDiskMark (x64) I got the following results (best ones, I admit, but "up to" suggests the maximum, rather than minimum, and the slowest was comparable:
Sequential Access - Read 491 MB/s
Sequential Access - Write 149 MB/s

In comparison, a WD Caviar Black 500GB, on fastest volume (outer sectors, 50GB):
Sequential Access - Read 106 MB/s
Sequential Access - Write 104 MB/s
Inner sectors are even (25-50%) slower

[BLindsay]

Originally Posted by tootall82103

From TweakTown
"At 330 USD the 600GB VelociRaptor is at the upper end of the mainstream platter based drives. 2TB drives that are priced around the same offer real world transfer speeds equal or greater than the VR200M, but also offer three times the capacity. These drives don’t offer the same user experience found in 10K RPM drives from the reduced access times, but you have to weigh where your priorities rest."

--Of course access times will improve a users experience. I (keyword: I) still don't think the price of SSDs or Raptors are worth it in terms of performance gain to price. If I had bottomless pockets I'd be all over a high end Intel SSD. For somebody who is on a budget you can't beat the price/performance of what has worked for so many years.

I wouldn't even bother looking at any 6gb/sec spinning hard drives. The first generation of them don't have very positive gains. I'd still go for that 500gb Sata 3g Western Digital Black for good performance at a great price!

So are we comparing a raptor to a 500 WD black or a 2TB? your first statement was the 500GB is as fast as a raptor now you counter aruge with a 2TB vs raptor?

And out of curiousity have you ever owned a a good SSD or any for that matter? Well i have 2 and i can tell you from first hand experience and not from reading crap online that it is the single biggest difference in overall computer performance i have ever done.

[tootall82103]

Originally Posted by BLindsay

So are we comparing a raptor to a 500 WD black or a 2TB? your first statement was the 500GB is as fast as a raptor now you counter aruge with a 2TB vs raptor?

And out of curiousity have you ever owned a a good SSD or any for that matter? Well i have 2 and i can tell you from first hand experience and not from reading crap online that it is the single biggest difference in overall computer performance i have ever done.

What are you talking aboot. Please re-read what I wrote so you make more sense. Thanks.

[BLindsay]

Originally Posted by tootall82103

I'd get a Western Digital Black 500gb. It's more space than what you need but the performance between it and the Raptors aren't that great. Plus you have the extra space if you ever need it.

Ok so here you are trying to compare a western digital black 500GB against a raptor where i reply they are not as fast as a raptor

Originally Posted by tootall82103

The WD Blacks move data about as fast as the Raptors. The access times are what are shorter. Having a Raptor or an SSD vs your basic 7200rpm hard drive will give you faster loading times for games and applications. You may get a couple (maybe) more FPS in games. You just have to decide if shelling out a couple hundred bucks for a raptor or SSD is worth not waiting as long, though the waits have never been that long anyways.

here you claim yet again they are as fast as a raptor

Originally Posted by tootall82103

From TweakTown
"At 330 USD the 600GB VelociRaptor is at the upper end of the mainstream platter based drives. 2TB drives that are priced around the same offer real world transfer speeds equal or greater than the VR200M, but also offer three times the capacity. These drives don’t offer the same user experience found in 10K RPM drives from the reduced access times, but you have to weigh where your priorities rest."

--Of course access times will improve a users experience. I (keyword: I) still don't think the price of SSDs or Raptors are worth it in terms of performance gain to price. If I had bottomless pockets I'd be all over a high end Intel SSD. For somebody who is on a budget you can't beat the price/performance of what has worked for so many years.

I wouldn't even bother looking at any 6gb/sec spinning hard drives. The first generation of them don't have very positive gains. I'd still go for that 500gb Sata 3g Western Digital Black for good performance at a great price!

now out of nowhere we switch from comparing a raptor to a 500GB to a 2TB drive

Originally Posted by tootall82103

What are you talking aboot. Please re-read what I wrote so you make more sense. Thanks.

So yeah i read it quite fine you are changing your story. And you avoided my second question, have you ever owned an SSD? cant really speak to them if you dont own one.

[tootall82103]

Originally Posted by BLindsay

Ok so here you are trying to compare a western digital black 500GB against a raptor where i reply they are not as fast as a raptor



here you claim yet again they are as fast as a raptor



now out of nowhere we switch from comparing a raptor to a 500GB to a 2TB drive



So yeah i read it quite fine you are changing your story. And you avoided my second question, have you ever owned an SSD? cant really speak to them if you dont own one.

Actually I said the blacks move data **about** as fast at the raptors. I never said they were as fast. The access times on the raptors are shorter than the blacks. Please take the time again to re-read what I wrote so you better understand it.
No I do not own an SSD. Common sense I thought would have told you that. My mistake.
Have I operated a machine with an SSD? Yes I have. An OCZ Vertex. It was a smoother experience. Lower access times help out greatly. Still, this is MY opinion, not YOURS, mine, me, myself. I can't justify spending that much more money for one yet. My old drives from 2007 still do everything perfect still, not quite as fast, but not near slow enough that I'm going to shell out more money for far less space.

[BLindsay]

Originally Posted by tootall82103

Actually I said the blacks move data **about** as fast at the raptors. I never said they were as fast. The access times on the raptors are shorter on the blacks. Please take the time again to re-read what I wrote so you better understand it.
No I do not own an SSD. Common sense I thought would have told you that. My mistake.
Have I operated a machine with an SSD? Yes I have. An OCZ Vertex. It was a smoother experience. Lower access times help out greatly. Still, this is MY opinion, not YOURS, mine, me, myself. I can't justify spending that much more money for one yet. My old drives from 2007 still do everything perfect still, not quite as fast, but not near slow enough that I'm going to shell out more money for far less space.

fine if you want to use your wording, a 500GB black will not move data as fast as a raptor, Platter density is far greater on a 600GB raptor

I actually own and use on a day 2 day basis 2 intel X25-E's and again they were the single greatest overall improvement from a machine ive seen from a single part


edit: and to be honest sequential peformance means jack sh*t lets compare random reads/writes

[tootall82103]

Originally Posted by BLindsay

fine if you want to use your wording, a 500GB black will not move data as fast as a raptor, Platter density is far greater on a 600GB raptor

I actually own and use on a day 2 day basis 2 intel X25-E's and again they were the single greatest overall improvement from a machine ive seen from a single part


edit: and to be honest sequential peformance means jack sh*t lets compare random reads/writes

Thanks for taking the time to re-read my post a few times so you understood what I was saying. Good on you!