BD/HD DVD attach rate

[w_tanoto]

Originally Posted by Beta-guy

I've said it b4 and I'll say it again, what's better having 1 unit that sells 1 million discs per unit or 800,000 units that sells 3 discs per unit, yeah the attach rate is lower but I'm not about to side with the side with only 1 unit because the attach rate is higher :P

the only reason they mention attach rates is because they are afraid to mention real sales... you the thing that actually means more money!

BDA should counter this as soon as possible, with real figure, and explain why the attach rate is low (PS3 - as HD DVD fans said, are not used as BD player)

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

They are clearly including PS3s in the attach rate figures.

I thought PS3s didn't count in total player numbers? I wish they could make up their little minds over in HD-Dead land.

Agree, they like to have it both ways.

Here's the shocking fact of this entire argument:

The attach rates for both formats are more than likely EXACTLY THE SAME. You have to filter out the people who have PS3s who do not use them for BDs or who don't even have HDTVs. But for those people who use the PS3 as a BD player, they probably behave just like owners of other BD players. Someone explain to me why there is any logic in assuming that BD people buy less discs than HD-DVD people. You can't because there isn't.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by w_tanoto

BDA should counter this as soon as possible, with real figure, and explain why the attach rate is low (PS3 - as HD DVD fans said, are not used as BD player)

No, they should counter it by saying that if the PS3 is not a real player as they claim then the true attach rate is X. Belive me X is about 4X HD-DVDs attach rate.

[Ispoke]

Posted this in another thread, but seems appropriate here also

Seems the HD DVD promotion group agree with you http://www.tech.co.uk/home-entertain...eid=1152054706
As for Alan Bell's comments, yep consistantly 'just good enough' when it works

More balanced piece.

[w_tanoto]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

No, they should counter it by saying that if the PS3 is not a real player as they claim then the true attach rate is X. Belive me X is about 4X HD-DVDs attach rate.

of course it is. with less standalone player (almost the same number as of now) than HD DVD, and the disc sold 2:1 (4:1 in Eu, and some even goes up to 9:1 - norway), it may well up to 10x

[Beta-guy]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Buckeye

No, they should counter it by saying that if the PS3 is not a real player as they claim then the true attach rate is X. Belive me X is about 4X HD-DVDs attach rate.

is there a way WE can work out the attach rate minus the PS3? I'd be curious as to what the attach rate would be if it was done that way :P

[Spankey]

With 1.1 profile players now available, HD-DVD will cling to the network connection/attach rate argument. They will tout incompatibility with older players, while forgetting the overwhelming amount of Blu-ray software in the market place. What makes HD-DVD better than Blu-ray now and how is it technically superior? HHHMMM? I'd rather have superior bandwidth, storage capacity, studio selection over...an internet connection? Pass!

[w_tanoto]

Originally Posted by Beta-guy

is there a way WE can work out the attach rate minus the PS3? I'd be curious as to what the attach rate would be if it was done that way :P

as the figure is Eu-only, we have to find out how many PS3 is sold, then the standalone player.

what is more important is to comment on any article stating this figure, that this figure includes PS3, and as HD DVD-ers said, PS3 does not count as BD player

[gwenaelseattle]

At this point Sony has sold more than 6 millions PS3 in the world and it is outselling the 360 in the rest of the world, adding to that fact that standalone blue ray players ate outselling hd/dvd in Europe and Japan ( because those customers feel that quality is more important than price) the move of paramount and the hd/dvd players from Toshiba sold recently at wall-mart are desperate moves from the hd/dvd consortium and if Sony and other brands put the effort necessary and offer blue-ray players between 200 and 250 dollars for the Christmas period, I really think that blue ray movies specially the ones from Disney will outsell hd/dvd one by a ratio even bigger than 2/1 and Paramount investors will have to come to their senses and reconsider their strategy of losing millions of blue-ray customers in the world, their deal with the hd/dvd will not look that interesting anymore.

[Spankey]

Originally Posted by Ispoke

Posted this in another thread, but seems appropriate here also



More balanced piece.

My head really is spinning from this BS. So HD-DVD's attach rate is higher, there are more stand alone players in the market, yet Blu-ray continues to dominate in sales. Someone explain to me how 5+5=2

[JAGUAR1977]

Originally Posted by w_tanoto

BDA should counter this as soon as possible, with real figure, and explain why the attach rate is low (PS3 - as HD DVD fans said, are not used as BD player)

There's no need to counter, it's for Europe, were HD-DVD is dead.

Those who have the format buy most of their movies from the US.

[galz]

Does either side count laptop drives in thier numbers?

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by Beta-guy

is there a way WE can work out the attach rate minus the PS3? I'd be curious as to what the attach rate would be if it was done that way :P

If we are honest with the statistics, unlike that crowd, then we shouldn't totally exclude the PS3. Personally I really believe this is all a bunch of spin that ultimately adds up to nothing. Think about this on a fundamental level:

1) The legitimate baseline would be if we could determine the number of PS3 owners who use their console as a hardcore BD player and add that figure to the standalones.

2) Since we cannot do #1 finding a baseline is impossible.

3) Since we cannot find a baseline, we cannot find the attach rate.

4) The most basic question of all... why would BD owners buy movies at a rate different than HD-DVD owners. There is NO fundamental reason why this would be true.

Given 1-4, the correct answer is that BD owners buy movies in almost exactly the same frequency as HD-DVD owners. PS3 owners who see their console as a viable HD movie player AND have HD setups buy BD movies at about the same rate as any other BD owner. Again, tell me why this would NOT be true.

Attach rate is a quasi-stat based on incomplete and totally manipulated data that has been created by the HD-DVD camp to confuse the issue and obfuscate the obvious truth.

[NutsAboutPS3]

The numbers are clearly nonsense because they are quoting attach rates of <1 for Blu-ray like 0.4 and 0.6. You can only buy 1 movie or no movies, you can't buy 0.4 of a movie. So to have a 0.4 attach rate, some people would need to buy a Blu-ray player and not buy one single movie. Clearly nobody is going to buy a device specifically to use as a Blu-ray player and not buy a single movie for it, so hopefully anyone who sees these figures can spot that it's nonsense even if they don't understand why.

[Beta-guy]

Originally Posted by galz

Does either side count laptop drives in thier numbers?

my guess is the HD-DVD side for Player sales, I wonder if they exclude them for the attach rate tho :P

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

The fact they're still spewing out this regurgitated rubbish shows how little they can boast about.

I agree, they are just hoping some poor souls actually believe this stuff. All it takes is a little research to see what they are doing....

Include the PS3 in the attachment rate number, but don't include it in the player count. Too bad we are all onto this little deception...

[Spankey]

Include the PS3 in the attachment rate number, but don't include it in the player count. Too bad we are all onto this little deception...

Then what would those player sales numbers be? HMMMM?

[aristotles]

I am sick and tired of hearing about attach rate. It is completely inaccurate and a completely meaningless statistic. Some people will buy 10+ movies per month while others will buy 0-2 movies per month. Trying to provide an average is a meaningless statistic.

The only number that matters are title sales for the format and possibly hardware unit sales. If you are going to get those numbers, you must include the PS3 in those numbers since there is no way of knowing if a standalone HD DVD owner is actually going to use their 99 dollar player they got at wal-mart as an HD DVD player any more than you can be sure that PS3 owners are not going to buy movies. My PS3 is my blu-ray player so you have to assume that some consumer will realize the potential of it as a PS3 player.

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by Spankey

Include the PS3 in the attachment rate number, but don't include it in the player count. Too bad we are all onto this little deception...

Then what would those player sales numbers be? HMMMM?

They don't want to say...or else THEIR attach rate numbers would not look so good for them.

[pro-bassoonist]

More Graffeoism in action. This is the kind of attitude that has all of the red supporters truly convinced that there is no other route for Warner but red-exclusivity.

Pro-B