120hz question. - Blu-ray Forum

PS34EVER · 12-09-2007, 01:13 AM

I have heard that the 120hz refresh rate makes HD movies look was crisper. Is this true? My TV is capable of a 120hz refresh rate, but is it possible to play back my Blu's this way?

ShoNuff · 12-09-2007, 01:16 AM

All that would do is repeat each frame 5 times. After about 2 it stops being noticeable. 120 is used because it is 5x24 and 4x30. It's just a nice all around refresh rate.

PS34EVER · 12-09-2007, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ShoNuff

All that would do is repeat each frame 5 times. After about 2 it stops being noticeable. 120 is used because it is 5x24 and 4x30. It's just a nice all around refresh rate.

So it doesn't make it look any better?

JLaSoul · 12-09-2007, 01:25 AM

Everybody has there own opinions on this subjuct, I guess I can throw mine in. I think it gives films a more scrisp smooth look which is good but maybe to good, because to me it makes movies look like a different video feed, like the o.c. as an example, but the one thing I did notice from it it introdueced all the blur problems I had with my odler model. Now on the model tv I had there was always a part on a movie I saw major blur on a part in the movie, so I figure with the new model I had that supported 24fp, I activated it and watched that same part to see if it went away and it was still the same, but then I turned it off and watched it again on the newer madel and it took all blur away, all in all what I mean is all these new models are gonna work different I think and look different to different people. The best think to do is buy a tv you want that supports that and try it it out and if it doesn't do for you, then you'll the result of 24fps and what it does for you. Hope I helped any. JLaSoul

ShoNuff · 12-09-2007, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by PS34EVER

So it doesn't make it look any better?

It might seem a little smoother, but it's the exact same frames. Either way, nothing does 24hz so it's going to be 48hz or more. 120hz seems to be the standard they are working toward for displays, because it supports 24, 30 and 60.

dialog_gvf · 12-09-2007, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ShoNuff

It might seem a little smoother, but it's the exact same frames. Either way, nothing does 24hz so it's going to be 48hz or more. 120hz seems to be the standard they are working toward for displays, because it supports 24, 30 and 60.

Some sets actually interpolate new frames.

Gary

dialog_gvf · 12-09-2007, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PS34EVER

So it doesn't make it look any better?

It all depends on what you want to see from film. A lot of people think it makes film look too much like video. Now, for those who think film on HD should look like HDTV, they may prefer that. Others would prefer maintaining the 24p cadence.

Gary

ShoNuff · 12-09-2007, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Some sets actually interpolate new frames.

Gary

Great another flavor of pulldown. I do wish they'd quit screwing with this stuff.

dialog_gvf · 12-09-2007, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ShoNuff

Great another flavor of pulldown. I do wish they'd quit screwing with this stuff.

With the Sony SXRDs you can turn it off (they call it MotionFlow) and get a proper 24p.

Gary

Clark Kent · 12-09-2007, 01:59 AM

It all comes down to personal preference. Some like the way film sources looks at 120 HZ and some don't.

ShoNuff · 12-09-2007, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Clark Kent

It all comes down to personal preference. Some like the way film sources looks at 120 HZ and some don't.

Yeah, but take something like Grindhouse. You should be able to force a hard 24hz so you get that fluttery cheap theater thing.

Eddie who? · 12-09-2007, 02:46 AM

It took some getting used to. Film does look like video at that refresh rate and I wasn't sure if I would like it, but after a while, maybe a month, I just didn't notice it anymore.

DragonSarc · 12-09-2007, 02:47 AM

Ive just recently bought the LNT5271 120hz lcd not sure if its 24fps also but it does make the BD movies crisp and clear so clear that it doesnt look like a film any more specially POTC its like your looking through glass or playing a HD camcorder - i try to turn it down set it to low and yes it does blur on some scene when the AMP is on but when its turn off the tv is excellent - you just have to see and check it out if the feature of the tv looks good to you.

PS34EVER · 12-09-2007, 03:12 AM

What is better to view? I have a Samsung HL-T5687s and it looks to me that I need a firmware update on my TV for it to be able to do 24fps.

I was wondering if I should try to get the firmware update if it is that big of a difference?

Thoughts?

ShoNuff · 12-09-2007, 03:14 AM

That thread you already had would have been a great place for that post.

Deciazulado · 12-09-2007, 03:16 AM

If you can watch movies at refresh rates multiples of 24 frames per second (24p) that's best for them. For everything else, there's 60Hz

PS34EVER · 12-09-2007, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Deciazulado

If you can watch movies at refresh rates multiples of 24 frames per second (24p) that's best for them. For everything else, there's 60Hz

The PS3 is capable of this, correct?

OokieSpookie · 12-09-2007, 03:28 AM

Yes the PS3 can do 1080p/24

As far as 120hz, from what I understand that is best for live sporting events and other things where there is alot of fast motion.

Grisle · 12-09-2007, 03:28 AM

Would video games look better with 120Hz?

Deciazulado · 12-09-2007, 03:32 AM

The PS3 can output 60i, 60p, and 24p

12-09-2007, 01:13 AM	#1
PS34EVER Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Minnesota PSNetwork ID: Sic_Wild_Child Home Theater Gallery:3 Blu-ray reviews:5 Trading Score:24	120hz question. I have heard that the 120hz refresh rate makes HD movies look was crisper. Is this true? My TV is capable of a 120hz refresh rate, but is it possible to play back my Blu's this way?

12-09-2007, 03:12 AM	#14
PS34EVER Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Minnesota PSNetwork ID: Sic_Wild_Child Home Theater Gallery:3 Blu-ray reviews:5 Trading Score:24	24 fps vs 60 fps, big difference? What is better to view? I have a Samsung HL-T5687s and it looks to me that I need a firmware update on my TV for it to be able to do 24fps. I was wondering if I should try to get the firmware update if it is that big of a difference? Thoughts?

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12-09-2007, 01:16 AM	#2
ShoNuff Banned Member since:Nov 2007	All that would do is repeat each frame 5 times. After about 2 it stops being noticeable. 120 is used because it is 5x24 and 4x30. It's just a nice all around refresh rate.

12-09-2007, 01:25 AM	#4
JLaSoul Active Member Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray collection:219	Everybody has there own opinions on this subjuct, I guess I can throw mine in. I think it gives films a more scrisp smooth look which is good but maybe to good, because to me it makes movies look like a different video feed, like the o.c. as an example, but the one thing I did notice from it it introdueced all the blur problems I had with my odler model. Now on the model tv I had there was always a part on a movie I saw major blur on a part in the movie, so I figure with the new model I had that supported 24fp, I activated it and watched that same part to see if it went away and it was still the same, but then I turned it off and watched it again on the newer madel and it took all blur away, all in all what I mean is all these new models are gonna work different I think and look different to different people. The best think to do is buy a tv you want that supports that and try it it out and if it doesn't do for you, then you'll the result of 24fps and what it does for you. Hope I helped any. JLaSoul

12-09-2007, 01:59 AM	#10
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	It all comes down to personal preference. Some like the way film sources looks at 120 HZ and some don't.

12-09-2007, 02:46 AM	#12
Eddie who? Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Missoula, Montana	It took some getting used to. Film does look like video at that refresh rate and I wasn't sure if I would like it, but after a while, maybe a month, I just didn't notice it anymore.

12-09-2007, 02:47 AM	#13
DragonSarc Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Sep 2007 Location:San Leandro, CA Home Theater Gallery:28 Blu-ray reviews:1	Ive just recently bought the LNT5271 120hz lcd not sure if its 24fps also but it does make the BD movies crisp and clear so clear that it doesnt look like a film any more specially POTC its like your looking through glass or playing a HD camcorder - i try to turn it down set it to low and yes it does blur on some scene when the AMP is on but when its turn off the tv is excellent - you just have to see and check it out if the feature of the tv looks good to you.

12-09-2007, 03:14 AM	#15
ShoNuff Banned Member since:Nov 2007	That thread you already had would have been a great place for that post.

12-09-2007, 03:16 AM	#16
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1159 Blu-ray collection:7046 DVD collection:4044	If you can watch movies at refresh rates multiples of 24 frames per second (24p) that's best for them. For everything else, there's 60Hz

12-09-2007, 03:28 AM	#18
OokieSpookie Banned Member since:Nov 2007 Trading Score:1	Yes the PS3 can do 1080p/24 As far as 120hz, from what I understand that is best for live sporting events and other things where there is alot of fast motion.

12-09-2007, 03:28 AM	#19
Grisle Power Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Northern California 4K collection:18 Blu-ray collection:18 Trading Score:12	Would video games look better with 120Hz?

12-09-2007, 03:32 AM	#20
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1159 Blu-ray collection:7046 DVD collection:4044	The PS3 can output 60i, 60p, and 24p

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