WB Con Job?

[kibbled_bits]

Originally Posted by galz

I highly disagree that Blu-ray doesn't need Warner, and if you believe that then I think you should take off your Blu glasses. Let them go red and find out how much Blu need thems,neutral at very least.

Perhaps you need to learn to read better

Originally Posted by kibbled_bits

Seriously, have we been playing this game since Sept? Was that the first leaked rumor? Regardless it's getting old. Warner needs Blu-ray (for the sited reasons) Blu-ray doesn't need warner. They would like warner, but if they're going to play this teenager drama queen game then good riddance and we'll have a dual format quagmire because of them.

I admit it would suck but we would have a quagmire with no end in site and would all be forced into supported dual format. Blu-ray would not be over. However the opposite is not true. It would ROYALLY suck, but if these huge movie corps screw themselves it's not my fault all it will do is screw them AND the consumers. It will slow Hi Def adoption AND increase piracy.

[quexos]

It all comes down to whether Warner does or does not see the bigger picture. Whether they want to make quick bucks by continuing to sell on both formats or go Blu exclusive and bring this war to a quick end thus allowing Bluray to take off seriously against DVD. Going Red exclusive would be very stupid as it would completely divide the market. And yet that is exactly what Paramount did.
So I don't know, all we can do is wait and see

[galz]

Originally Posted by kibbled_bits

Perhaps you need to learn to read better



I admit it would suck but we would have a quagmire with no end in site and would all be forced into supported dual format. Blu-ray would not be over. However the opposite is not true. It would ROYALLY suck, but if these huge movie corps screw themselves it's not my fault all it will do is screw them AND the consumers. It will slow Hi Def adoption AND increase piracy.

Oh yea? what did I miss? You said Blu does not need Warner.... and I still stand by that so maybe it's you that should learn to read.

[kibbled_bits]

Originally Posted by galz

Oh yea? what did I miss? You said Blu does not need Warner.

Warner, just like every motion picture company needs it's anti-piracy features, region coding, additional space, etc. Blu-ray will exist without them, it will just suck for consumers.

[galz]

Originally Posted by kibbled_bits

Warner, just like every motion picture company needs it's anti-piracy features, region coding, additional space, etc. Blu-ray will exist without them, it will just suck for consumers.

That is another argument, they seem to be doing fine so far without them.

[galz]

Originally Posted by kibbled_bits

Warner, just like every motion picture company needs it's anti-piracy features, region coding, additional space, etc. Blu-ray will exist without them, it will just suck for consumers.

You can't guarantee Blu would go on without Warner..if they go Red then you take the chance that others defect as well.

[Crackbone]

BD needs Warner more than vice versa and that's just the truth.

HD DVD is in the same boat. Warner is the keystone to the whole bloody thing.

[galz]

Originally Posted by Crackbone

BD needs Warner more than vice versa and that's just the truth.

HD DVD is in the same boat. Warner is the keystone to the whole bloody thing.

Yes they are, and they know it right now.

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by galz

You can't guarantee Blu would go on without Warner..if they go Red then you take the chance that others defect as well.

Blu-ray as a storage medium (PS3) would go on. Blu-ray as a movie format would most likely go on as long as HD DVD, but most likely wouldn't go any further.

Without Warner on Blu-ray, the studios would be about evenly matched.

~Alan

[zMadMonk]

Or...

I'm showing my love for Warner. I'm buying up WB Blu-Rays, but keeping the receipt (and leaving them unopened for now).

Come January, if I don't like the announcement, of the movies that I've purchased that weren't "must haves", those buggers are going back to the store for either trade in, or getting my money back.

Sure I have love for them, but it sure isn't unconditional.

[darinp2]

Originally Posted by Barnum

I can see them staying as is since they are pulling money from both sides. If they picked one over the other they lose that other segment of business. After all it is all about the money.

I figure there is a good chance that Time Warner could get $300 million to go Blu-ray exclusive (some for Warner and some for New Line). Total disc sales between all studios haven't even been that high, not even considering just profits. And unlike the Paramount and Dreamworks moves to HD DVD, if Warner and New Line do move to Blu-ray exclusively it will probably lead to most reasonable people considering Blu-ray the winner within 6 months. So, kind of solidifies Warner's status as a powerful force (along with New Line). Obviously, some HD DVD zealots would be upset. However, when people look back at the turning point in the war years from now and who had the biggest influence, Warner would likely be one of the first things mentioned. Kind of like a star player joining a team that is in a battle (but leading) and then having them trounce everybody from then on and winning the championship.

And just from the money standpoint, Warner could get a payoff now and have the Blu-ray market grow to much more than the combination of HD DVD and Blu-ray would be if the battle continues. One thing about the Blu-ray side is that they have the money to push the format. If Toshiba pays Warner and New Line to go their direction, I wonder if they will still budget to push things hard. They don't seem to be pushing hard anywhere except in the US and Canada and already announced a huge loss. Would they keep spending that kind of money in North America and start spending real money to advance things around the world (at least in first world countries)?

I think the ratios for the Harry Potter movies and Blade Runner are pretty important. If a push to get those ratios as high as possible is done and they end up well for Blu-ray, but Warner still doesn't turn by the middle of January, then I could see people giving up on them. But this next week and a half isn't the time to give up IMO.

--Darin

[Barnum]

Originally Posted by kibbled_bits

Seriously, have we been playing this game since Sept? Was that the first leaked rumor? Regardless it's getting old. Warner needs Blu-ray (for the sited reasons) Blu-ray doesn't need warner. They would like warner, but if they're going to play this teenager drama queen game then good riddance and we'll have a dual format quagmire because of them.

Either way, Thanks Warner, hurry up before we could care less.

That is rather arrogant to think that blu does not need them. They need all not a selected assortment. Can someone please help me out here. I see people post comments like these are not must buy movies and if I don't like what happens I'll take them back which leaves me confused. I understand that this a blu site but where is the love of movies? To me the thought of buying a movie just because it is on blu is ridiculous. I have to really like a movie for me to buy it. I really see this a plain waste of money that could go to a needy cause instead. I love movies plain and simple. Maybe I am to old to understand the greed of having stuff just say that I have it.

[galz]

Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

Blu-ray as a storage medium (PS3) would go on. Blu-ray as a movie format would most likely go on as long as HD DVD, but most likely wouldn't go any further.

Without Warner on Blu-ray, the studios would be about evenly matched.

~Alan

Blu has 49% without Warner right now, if Warner goes red then the possiblity of other studios going neutral and losing more of that...you can say "most likely" if you want but I think most people on both sides agree it won't be good for whoever loses Warner. If you want to try to sugar coat it go ahead.

[SpikesBluBlooded]

There are two things that are certain (if there is such a thing in this war):

Dual formats in HD will prevent the mass adoption needed for the HD format to become profitable, thus leading to its eventual demise.

Fox and Disney will never adopt HD DVD, as the piracy issue and region coding is far too important to them. They would simply stop producing HD content if there wasn't a secure medium to provide it in.

That's about as simple as it gets, and if you read between the lines, I'm basically saying that without Warner choosing Blu-ray and forcing the hand of Universal to go at least neutral, this war will eventually result in both sides losing.

[SpikesBluBlooded]

Originally Posted by Strannix136

If you want to bash religion, go somewhere else. There are church-going people on these forums.

Thank you. The same goes for politics people, this isn't the place to discuss either one.

[lokus]

Originally Posted by Barnum

That is rather arrogant to think that blu does not need them. They need all not a selected assortment. Can someone please help me out here. I see people post comments like these are not must buy movies and if I don't like what happens I'll take them back which leaves me confused. I understand that this a blu site but where is the love of movies? To me the thought of buying a movie just because it is on blu is ridiculous. I have to really like a movie for me to buy it. I really see this a plain waste of money that could go to a needy cause instead. I love movies plain and simple. Maybe I am to old to understand the greed of having stuff just say that I have it.

I agree with you. While I would like to buy any Blu-ray to support the cause, I also have a budget. Maybe some people have tons of money to waste or are in deep debt. If people can afford to spend that kind of money, hats off to them. I personally like buying movies that I really enjoy watching.

[darinp2]

Originally Posted by kibbled_bits

Seriously, have we been playing this game since Sept? Was that the first leaked rumor? Regardless it's getting old.

I believe there is a good chance that one reason somebody started a fake rumor about Warner going to Blu-ray was so that if they did at least start the process of moving to Blu-ray later and word got leaked, some would see it as the same thing or similar enough to get dismiss it. Penton-Man downplayed the last rumor, but not this one. I think that other rumor gives this one more credibility because he downplayed it and showed he wouldn't just play up a Warner rumor because he wanted it to happen.

--Darin

[blix01]

Originally Posted by Strannix136

If you want to bash religion, go somewhere else. There are church-going people on these forums.

My apologies, I didn't realize you belonged to one of those churches that don't ask for money. my mistake.

[blix01]

Originally Posted by SpikesBluBlooded

That's about as simple as it gets, and if you read between the lines, I'm basically saying that without Warner choosing Blu-ray and forcing the hand of Universal to go at least neutral, this war will eventually result in both sides losing.

trueness.

[Blu-Ray Buckeye]

Originally Posted by juanleche

You mean like sneak a few HD DVDs into Blu-Ray sets.

which begs the questions do HD-DVDs accidently shiped with blu-ray sets count as HD-DVD sales?

How could they? They will be counted as whatever the bar code says on the box. Do you think they open the box to scan them?