The latest from one of those supposedly "neutral" but really red bloggers

[patrick99]

http://www.tvpredictions.com/2007/12...is-better.html

Blu-ray vs HD DVD: Which One Is Better?

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by patrick99

http://www.tvpredictions.com/2007/12...is-better.html

Blu-ray vs HD DVD: Which One Is Better?

Yeah, I love how almost EVERY single HD DVD talking point is stuck in there:

PQ is equal!
Buy both formats as both will survive!
Warner is staying neutral due to the HP and PE sales (disregarding other movie sales ratios)!
With 1 million players, other studios will go neutral as well!!
"Transformers" Dolby Digital Plus soundtrack was good enough (it was great though).
Using AVSForum as a source of information!

~Alan

[stockstar1138]

im so sick of hearing, both formats do the exact same video codecs (mpeg-2, vc-1, and mpeg-4). yeah so what hd dvd can do avc, does that mean it ever gets done. nope. cause if hd dvd does do avc, 1. its low-bit avc. 2. they have to compromise something else to do it (like loseless on t-formers). you will never, ever, ever, ever, ever see an hd dvd do avc and have uncompressed audio like so many blu-rays and one in a couple hundred will get loseless and an avc encode. you wanna know why, because hd dvd is a half assed format that spec wise is competely inferior to blu-ray, has PQ that is infereior to blu-ray (flags of our fathers is a good example) has AQ that is inferior to blu-ray (300, HP, etc.), has less studio, consumer, and manufacturer support than blu-ray. im so sick of these reds claiming they are neutral.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by patrick99

http://www.tvpredictions.com/2007/12...is-better.html

Blu-ray vs HD DVD: Which One Is Better?

So, just because this guy's opinion of weighing the two formats side by side doesn't automatically equal "Blu-Ray is undeniably the best in every way, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot" somehow means that he must secretly supporting HD-DVD?

I read that blog, it was pretty well thought out. He even admited to the advantages that Blu-Ray has, but to him they weren't enough to make a major difference. So what?

I'm sorry, but people CAN have a middle of the road opinion without secretly being for the opposing side.

If you don't agree with his view of the formats, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion on that level. But, to question this guys character and jump to irrational conclusions about his format preference based on nothing but an assumption that you pulled out of your butt is just ridiculous.

[galz]

Why post about RED here? I thought this was Blu only.

[Cyorg]

Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

Yeah, I love how almost EVERY single HD DVD talking point is stuck in there:

Warner is staying neutral due to the HP and PE sales (disregarding other movie sales ratios)!

~Alan

Is HP selling better on HD DVD than blu?

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

So, just because this guy's opinion of weighing the two formats side by side doesn't automatically equal "Blu-Ray is undeniably the best in every way, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot" somehow means that he must secretly supporting HD-DVD?

I read that blog, it was pretty well thought out. He even admited to the advantages that Blu-Ray has, but to him they weren't enough to make a major difference. So what?

I'm sorry, but people CAN have a middle of the road opinion without secretly being for the opposing side.

If you don't agree with his view of the formats, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion on that level. But, to question this guys character and jump to irrational conclusions about his format preference based on nothing but an assumption that you pulled out of your butt is just ridiculous.

i think the writer is off on a few things he says, such as the quality is the same and this is something we hear all the time from red fans. or that both formats can survive. i think the #1 reason we see these types of articles though is for website advertsisng profits. if you post something very pro-red or very pro-blu. you are going to get some traffic, but if you post things on your website like this where you are like, "blu-ray wins teh capacity because TL51 hasn't proved itslef yet" "HD DVD is cheaper and has the same quality" you get fanboys from both sides flooding into the website to post comments. when the website gets more traffic they can charge more for advertising. its all about money, thats why we keep seeing artlices that have flaimbate for both side.s

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by Cyorg

Is HP selling better on HD DVD than blu?

no HP is doing slightly better on blu-ray, PE is doing slightly better on HD DVD.

[blujacket]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

So, just because this guy's opinion of weighing the two formats side by side doesn't automatically equal "Blu-Ray is undeniably the best in every way, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot" somehow means that he must secretly supporting HD-DVD?

I read that blog, it was pretty well thought out. He even admited to the advantages that Blu-Ray has, but to him they weren't enough to make a major difference. So what?

I'm sorry, but people CAN have a middle of the road opinion without secretly being for the opposing side.

If you don't agree with his view of the formats, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion on that level. But, to question this guys character and jump to irrational conclusions about his format preference based on nothing but an assumption that you pulled out of your butt is just ridiculous.

Why are you at bluray.com? Why are you questioning the character of posters here? Go watch your dud movies.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Cyorg

Is HP selling better on HD DVD than blu?

According to the info in that guys article, it is selling just slightly better on Blu than on HD, so the difference isn't huge. I don't know how accurate that is in one way or the other, but that doesn't seem to be all that unbelievable.

[DetroitSportsFan]

I loved this response on the blog.

Warner already seems to have made its choice.

Warner is confirmed to be speaking at 2008 CES HD-DVD Press Conference. Warner's presence at CES's Blu-Ray Press Conference cannot be verified at this time, however.

Warner's decision announced at 2008 CES will finally end this format war once and for all.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

According to the info in that guys article, it is selling just slightly better on Blu than on HD, so the difference isn't huge. I don't know how accurate that is in one way or the other, but that doesn't seem to be all that unbelievable.

The Nielsen numbers will be available this afternoon.

[flyingdutchman]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

According to the info in that guys article, it is selling just slightly better on Blu than on HD, so the difference isn't huge. I don't know how accurate that is in one way or the other, but that doesn't seem to be all that unbelievable.

His figures are wrong since Blu is outselling Dud by almost 60:40 percentage. Again, why do you go to his article to confirm whether something is true? Are you blind as well as stupid?

[stockstar1138]

intresting comment if true:

"BTW, to the commenter who said Warner press conference is confirmed for CES, that is not true -- I spoke to head executive at Warner Thursday who says nothing has been set for CES at this point."

[greekjgg]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

im so sick of hearing, both formats do the exact same video codecs.

While I appreciate your passion for quality, I think the guy is looking at the big picture. I would say most of us on this forum have experienced blu in all its glory (NICE TV AND SURROUND), but of the 95% who've yet to, what % of them are really going to care about codec? THe philes will nit pick over these little features but the Philes are less then 5% of the total market. Just like we stay away from $99 Dud players because they are only 1080i, the bulk of people don't have 1080p to even notice the difference. Which basically brings the DECISION down to PRICE of players and movie selection.

[greekjgg]

Originally Posted by stockstar1138

intresting comment if true:

"BTW, to the commenter who said Warner press conference is confirmed for CES, that is not true -- I spoke to head executive at Warner Thursday who says nothing has been set for CES at this point."

I work for a company that participates at CES and these press conferences are scheduled MONTHS in advance as they can conflict with other press conferences. It HAS been scheduled if they are doing it.

[Beta-guy]

"Blu-Ray has two sized discs, the single layer 25 GBor BD 25 disc and the dual layer 50 GB or BD 50 disc."

What?

"Blu-Ray has a higher data rate for the video codecs, which in theory may result in better picture quality, although the faster data rate seems more important for the older MPEG2 than for MPEG4 and especially VC-1."

lol the reviewer is saying this because about 75% of HD-DVD are VC-1 and HD-DVD has a lower bitrate so obviously that doesn't matter.

"As to which format will eventually win, I personally see no reason why both formats can’t survive and even thrive."

if both format were to co-exist, J6P would be leary of getting into 1 format or the other as he wouldn't know what one would win J6P knows about VHS Vs. Betamax and sees this in the same light there has to be a winner, until then you just get the early adopters and a small HDM market... if the market stalemates at 50 - 50 it'll die off, no one wants to invest in the losing format, and lose the money associated with the format in terms of players and discs...
Citing the gaming industry is a silly example, the gaming industry never fights a war in the same way that the movie industry does, there is never just 1 gaming console since the early 70's that said, can you remember a time when the home video market allowed 2 opposing formats co-exist?

"Will one side win? Hard to really say at this point."

yeah, I mean Blu-ray has only won what the entire year up to this date... boy I say the word stalemate probably is the best word to describe it

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by blujacket

Why are you at bluray.com?

Because I have a Blu-Ray player (as well as a PS3 on the way) and I own Blu-Ray movies, and have interest in the format.

Yeah, I happen to own HD, too, but so what? That's doesn't change the fact that I own the Blu products and should be able to come here and talk about them.

Why are you questioning the character of posters here?

Well, in my previous post, I'm not really questioning the character of posters here as much so as I am questioning why They feel the need to question and accuse the character of anyone who's opinion is even slightly different than there's and jump to a conclusion that the person with such an opinion must therefore be 100% in favor of HD-DVD. That's just ridiculous.

Go watch your dud movies.

Well, the only movies that I have that I would even consider "duds" in the true sense to the words would be ones that I can't watch because they don't work correctly for one reason or another. So, based on that logic, I really can't go watch a movie that is a dud since it would not be working, and the only movie that I have that would fit that definition is Pirates 3 on BD since it won't work in my Samsung player. Hence why I am getting the PS3.

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

So, just because this guy's opinion of weighing the two formats side by side doesn't automatically equal "Blu-Ray is undeniably the best in every way, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot" somehow means that he must secretly supporting HD-DVD?

I read that blog, it was pretty well thought out. He even admited to the advantages that Blu-Ray has, but to him they weren't enough to make a major difference. So what?

He didn't weigh them equally!

For one, he mentioned how close the sales of HP5 were for both formats and how well PE sold on HD DVD, but he failed to mention all the other titles that have sold better on Blu-ray.

Secondly, he mentions the fact that both formats can survive (ala video game consoles) which has been the HD DVD motto ever since Blu-ray started outselling them (this wasn't one beforehand).

There are other issues with his "blog" as well, but the two above are either showing his preferences, or sloppy journalism!

I do give him credit for mentioning the possibility of incompatibility of TL51 discs though...

~Alan

[Spankey]

This PQ eqaul thing is now complete horse spit. Every..and I mean every disc bought from Warner which is lacking in video bit rate is noticeably inferior to any Blu-ray disc I have bought in the last few months. I thought Hairspray was filtered. 2001 lacking any kind of life, and even Blade Runner is kind of dull. There is just something missing that is present almost every Blu-ray disc I buy.