Higher peak bitrate speeds up encoding 'considerably', saves studios money - Page 3 - Blu-ray Forum

PaulGo · 01-16-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

No VC-1 is much faster, this is it's major advantage, the margin by which AVC is better is not deemed big enough for the moment because it is not as fast as VC-1.

The tools are all in place for AVC to become significantly faster than VC-1, but like everything it will just take a bit of patience.

Thank for this answer Max, I have been trying to get a definitive answer for this question for several week on AVS. Could you also post this on AVS, either in the thread I started or as a response to my question in the insiders thread.

Maximus · 01-16-2008, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulGo

Thank for this answer Max, I have been trying to get a definitive answer for this question for several week on AVS. Could you also post this on AVS, either in the thread I started or as a response to my question in the insiders thread.

I would prefer not to...

dobyblue · 01-16-2008, 03:38 PM

I think it's safe to say you can look to 10,000 B.C. as being the first "biggie" from Warner that will hit day and date with an encode that will not fit within HD DVD's specifications.

Should have a disc release sometime between June and August.

unreal1080p · 01-16-2008, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I think it's safe to say you can look to 10,000 B.C. as being the first "biggie" from Warner that will hit day and date with an encode that will not fit within HD DVD's specifications.

Should have a disc release sometime between June and August.

10,000 B.C. is going to be HUGE! Probably bigger then 300 (more mass appeal). Hopefully, by the time it comes out on Blu-Ray, HD DUD will be 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea

PaulGo · 01-16-2008, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

I would prefer not to...

That's OK. Most often it's a no win situation posting fact's on AVS. You have so many people who are so set in their opinions that they will never accept the truth. (They can't handle the truth.

)

MatrixS2000 · 01-16-2008, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Sorry to break it to you, I Am Legend will probably be a standard disc rather than a Blu optimised one.

/banghead

Was hoping the 3 week delay in the HD DVD release was due to WB actually doing a separate encode....

gandley · 01-16-2008, 04:57 PM

still, great news. looking forward to see what warner can do when one hand isnt tied behind there back.

(the boys on AVF are going to like this

)

WriteSimply · 01-16-2008, 05:28 PM

Since Max is participating in this thread...

For those who cared, Sweeney Todd doesn't have below black information, at least not from the print that I saw in the theaters. This means that the shadows/dark will not reveal anything if you pump up the brightness to see more detail. It's just not there. It also means that there will be nothing wrong with the transfer if you see lots of dark scenes, since they were meant to look like that.

One of the earliest FUDs about BD was that because it doesn't show below black video, it is inferior. The fact is, you're not supposed to see anything below black. If you do, your TV is not calibrated properly.

fuad

irfoton · 01-16-2008, 06:39 PM

This is what I've been asking drmpeg to weigh in on but he seems to have vacated the forum. I had suspicions that things can look good at lower bit rates but it takes considerably more time. Having the extra head room that BR provides will allow journeyman to produce good looking films whereas HD DVD would require experts or above.

Teazle · 01-16-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by irfoton

Having the extra head room that BR provides will allow journeyman to produce good looking films whereas HD DVD would require experts or above.

Yeah right, there are so many amateur encoders out there working on titles for "BR", they must be grateful for the extra bandwidth.

Unless you meant British Rail?

irfoton · 01-16-2008, 07:22 PM

Not now, but when HD movies really take off there will be people being trained to do compression. Not everyone starts off as an expert. So having extra headroom provides more margin for inexperience.

ra1024 · 01-16-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

THey could, it doesn't mean they will

Warner is likely continuing to use VC-1 because their engineers are comfortable with the toolset

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Indeed, but I have heard some people are eager to get down and dirty with the latest AVC tools which are very good and get better results than VC-1 in 9/10 cases.

I was asking more about bitrate than codecs. I wasn't sure if you meant they will continue using VC-1 so we won't see any highly detailed transfers because VC-1 doesn't benefit from higher bitrates.

My biggest problem with Warner is that I haven't seen any great looking titles from them. I thought The Departed looked good but there wasn't any "wow" factor like I've seen many times before on non-Warner releases.

I guess my question should have been if we will ever see any top tier releases from Warner once they are no longer burdened with HD DVD?

navychop · 01-16-2008, 07:34 PM

Blu-ray Disc = BD not BR.

patrick99 · 01-16-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ra1024

I was asking more about bitrate than codecs. I wasn't sure if you meant they will continue using VC-1 so we won't see any highly detailed transfers because VC-1 doesn't benefit from higher bitrates.

My biggest problem with Warner is that I haven't seen any great looking titles from them. I thought The Departed looked good but there wasn't any "wow" factor like I've seen many times before on non-Warner releases.

I guess my question should have been if we will ever see any top tier releases from Warner once they are no longer burdened with HD DVD?

Shoot 'Em Up (New Line) looks very impressive. BD level bitrate.

HDTV1080P · 01-16-2008, 10:15 PM

Most likely as soon as June 2008 Warner might start using high bit rate MPEG-4/AVC and VC- 1 to take advantage of the 50GB space on the BLU-RAY discs. No longer does Warner need to limit the encoding to 30GB since Warner will be BLU-RAY excusive starting June 1st 2008. It will be excellent to see Warner movies encoded with higher bit rates when and if that occurs.

mike79 · 01-16-2008, 10:18 PM

one can only hope

Sonny · 01-16-2008, 10:22 PM

I hope so too. But Uni & Para will give us crappy ports of whats already out. But hopefully they will get with the program soon after going Blu.

MrVorhees · 01-16-2008, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Most likely as soon as June 2008 Warner might start using high bit rate MPEG-4/AVC and VC- 1 to take advantage of the 50GB space on the BLU-RAY discs. No longer does Warner need to limit the encoding to 30GB since Warner will be BLU-RAY excusive starting June 1st 2008. It will be excellent to see Warner movies encoded with higher bit rates when and if that occurs.

Nice! Very nice info, i've been waiting for this so long!
btw. where did you get this info m8 ?

GarettP · 01-16-2008, 10:28 PM

Do you have a link? I hope they do plan to take advantage of the space on BD's, isn't that part of why they are going exclusive anyway?

HDTV1080P · 01-16-2008, 10:31 PM

This post is a theory only. There is no link. It would be the most logical path for Warner. My original post I used the words might several times.

01-16-2008, 10:15 PM	#55
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	High Bit rate Warner BLU-RAY movies might start showing up in June 2008 or later Most likely as soon as June 2008 Warner might start using high bit rate MPEG-4/AVC and VC- 1 to take advantage of the 50GB space on the BLU-RAY discs. No longer does Warner need to limit the encoding to 30GB since Warner will be BLU-RAY excusive starting June 1st 2008. It will be excellent to see Warner movies encoded with higher bit rates when and if that occurs.

01-16-2008, 10:31 PM	#60
HDTV1080P Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews: 205	This post is a theory only. There is no link. It would be the most logical path for Warner. My original post I used the words might several times. Last edited by HDTV1080P; 01-16-2008 at 10:36 PM.

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01-16-2008, 03:38 PM	#43
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	I think it's safe to say you can look to 10,000 B.C. as being the first "biggie" from Warner that will hit day and date with an encode that will not fit within HD DVD's specifications. Should have a disc release sometime between June and August.

01-16-2008, 04:57 PM	#47
gandley Special Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:The Drowning Pool	still, great news. looking forward to see what warner can do when one hand isnt tied behind there back. (the boys on AVF are going to like this )

01-16-2008, 05:28 PM	#48
WriteSimply Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia	Since Max is participating in this thread... For those who cared, Sweeney Todd doesn't have below black information, at least not from the print that I saw in the theaters. This means that the shadows/dark will not reveal anything if you pump up the brightness to see more detail. It's just not there. It also means that there will be nothing wrong with the transfer if you see lots of dark scenes, since they were meant to look like that. One of the earliest FUDs about BD was that because it doesn't show below black video, it is inferior. The fact is, you're not supposed to see anything below black. If you do, your TV is not calibrated properly. fuad

01-16-2008, 06:39 PM	#49
irfoton Member Member since:Aug 2007	This is what I've been asking drmpeg to weigh in on but he seems to have vacated the forum. I had suspicions that things can look good at lower bit rates but it takes considerably more time. Having the extra head room that BR provides will allow journeyman to produce good looking films whereas HD DVD would require experts or above.

01-16-2008, 07:22 PM	#51
irfoton Member Member since:Aug 2007	Not now, but when HD movies really take off there will be people being trained to do compression. Not everyone starts off as an expert. So having extra headroom provides more margin for inexperience.

01-16-2008, 07:34 PM	#53
navychop Active Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Northern VA	Blu-ray Disc = BD not BR.

01-16-2008, 10:18 PM	#56
mike79 Power Member Member since:May 2007 Location:NYC Blu-ray collection:268 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	one can only hope

01-16-2008, 10:22 PM	#57
Sonny Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray reviews:6 Trading Score:1	I hope so too. But Uni & Para will give us crappy ports of whats already out. But hopefully they will get with the program soon after going Blu.

01-16-2008, 10:28 PM	#59
GarettP Senior Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Montrose, CO Blu-ray collection:75 Blu-ray reviews:21	Do you have a link? I hope they do plan to take advantage of the space on BD's, isn't that part of why they are going exclusive anyway?

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