Question for all blu-ray supporters - Blu-ray Forum

JLaSoul · 03-11-2007, 10:58 PM

I've been told and saw that the people that handle blu-ray has not yet used it's disc to it's true potential, that's why some look better than others, and also heard they are going to put out another fifth element that is suppose to be better than the first disc in quality and everything else. Where I'm going with this question is, when they do get it finally right like dvd movies now, they us it to it's limit, are we going to have to buy these movies all over again? Because think about it, when blu-ray wins this format war, if this is all true and they will release better quality versions, it would be the same if blu-ray lost because if we really wanted true hd we would have to buy all movies all over again. I know training day is probably the only blu-ray movie that I've seen that is not to it's full ptotenial because I can say that the normal dvd almost looks better. Are any of you kinda bothered by that if this is true? Please shed some light on this subject for all who know more than me.

jorg · 03-11-2007, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JLaSoul

I've been told and saw that the people that handle blu-ray has not yet used it's disc to it's true potential, that's why some look better than others, and also heard they are going to put out another fifth element that is suppose to be better than the first disc in quality and everything else. Where I'm going with this question is, when they do get it finally right like dvd movies now, they us it to it's limit, are we going to have to buy these movies all over again? Because think about it, when blu-ray wins this format war, if this is all true and they will release better quality versions, it would be the same if blu-ray lost because if we really wanted true hd we would have to buy all movies all over again. I know training day is probably the only blu-ray movie that I've seen that is not to it's full ptotenial because I can say that the normal dvd almost looks better. Are any of you kinda bothered by that if this is true? Please shed some light on this subject for all who know more than me.

tru blu-ray hasent been used to potentional not until 200 gig discs are released and i heard they are re-realesing the fith element to because the first time they did such a crappy job the fist time they will only do this with a few launch titles and house of fyling digers i heard was bad to if i were you i would compare casino royal as the bench mark.

Rustmonsteru · 03-12-2007, 12:18 AM

House of Flying Daggers was notorius for being a mess on DVD before it ever made its' way to Blu-ray. Sony needs to get a hold of the HD cam remaster that Zoke did (see links).

"For House of Flying Daggers, they went from film (first generation) into the computer (second generation @ 2k resolution loss), back to film (third generation) and then, back into the computer (fourth generation) for final digital master for DVD, etc." -from the links below

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCom...ingdaggers.htm
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDRe...ng_daggers.htm

nhaase · 03-12-2007, 12:19 AM

House of Flying Daggers and Training Day really disappointed me, especially the former. Like jorg said, the full potential is when the 200gb disc is out, but there is also the fact that better transfer codecs help with quality, as do refinements to production. From what I have seen with the newer movies, however, is that they look great, better than HD movies on HBO or anything else I've seen anywhere. The Casino Royale Trailer on the Sony Marketplace looks absolutely amazing. I think they've had a few hiccups, but overall I see a marked improvement over DVD. Also, with DVD, there have been re-releases of some titles to utilize better soundtrack transfers, as well as enhancements for viewing on a widescreen TV.

While it bothers me a little if they're re-releasing BR titles already, you sort of had to be wary with the new technology. When a movie that was released before BR came along is put out on it now, I always wait for a few reviews of that movie to see if the reviewer thinks there is an appreciable upgrade to the PQ and SQ.

Maximus · 03-12-2007, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by nhaase

House of Flying Daggers and Training Day really disappointed me, especially the former. Like jorg said, the full potential is when the 200gb disc is out, but there is also the fact that better transfer codecs help with quality, as do refinements to production. From what I have seen with the newer movies, however, is that they look great, better than HD movies on HBO or anything else I've seen anywhere.

The 200GB disc will never be used for movies, it would be incompatible with all current players and the PS3, they will be used for computer burners.

Knight-Errant · 03-12-2007, 12:34 AM

Yeah we're probably looking at re-releases down the road somewhere. The Fifth Element is on the way of course.

But I think that's just par for the course when it comes to early adoption and I'm willing to accept it as I kinda did with DVD.

jorg · 03-12-2007, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

The 200GB disc will never be used for movies, it would be incompatible with all current players and the PS3, they will be used for computer burners.

maybe there make like a trilogy disc in like 2012 were its 3 movies plus special featurs on one disc maby a sort of data disc could be used if player future players could read 200 gig discs like an mp3 cd

Maximus · 03-12-2007, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jorg

maybe there make like a trilogy disc in like 2012 were its 3 movies plus special featurs on one disc maby a sort of data disc could be used if player future players could read 200 gig discs like an mp3 cd

But that would be a completely new format. Similar to how HD DVD is to DVD. They may look similar, but on the inside they are different and DVD players will never be able to play HD DVDs in the same way current players would never be able to play BD200.

nhaase · 03-12-2007, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

But that would be a completely new format. Similar to how HD DVD is to DVD. They may look similar, but on the inside they are different and DVD players will never be able to play HD DVDs in the same way current players would never be able to play BD200.

HD DVD also uses a 405nm laser, while DVD uses 650, so they just couldn't play the HD DVD unless it's the combo disc, which is just a double-sided disc, right?

Chad Varnadore · 03-12-2007, 01:32 AM

Sony said at CES that they're beginning work on a 100GB disc for studios that have asked for them. I imagine they'll be flippers, but some site reported that they thought it would still be single sided, which means odds are nothing currently will play it without firmware or physical modification. I don't know if we'll ever see 150 or 200 GB discs outside of datastorage though. If HD DVD folds before they get 100 GBs working, we may not even see those. As I sort of got the impression that the 100GB announcement may have been in response to HD DVDs 51GB press release-which apparently they haven't made any headway on since CES either.

Early DVD players didn't support some advancements with DVD either. Some even had trouble playing DVD18s. None supported DTS. It's the price we pay for being early adopters. There's no guarantee that the hardware will remain current. None of the current generation of players may support a some of the things they do with java down the road. I believe the PS3 is the only one that might support PIP.

BD is achieving now its potential or very close to in picture and sound and doing better than HD DVD in that regard. By that I mean BD is doing much higher video bitrates and supporting lossless audio far more frequently - most of the exclusives are offering nothing but lossless. The best PQ I've seen from BD is better than the best I've seen on HD DVD. And probably the top 30-40 or so audio experiences I've had have all been from PCM. Weinstein's release of Pulse offers the wickedest low frequency experience I've ever had. But that was just one scene. The rest of the soundtrack was only so, so despite being TrueHD.

The primary area for growth in the BD format lies with extras. Already BD is doing more extras with good quality HD video on average. But, it's still waiting on java to catch up in interactivity. Even when BDs java support catches up with HD DVDs HDi, it'll still continue to grow possibly for years as developers come up with new things to do with enhanced interactivity. So theoretically the format may never fully mature, as long as creative minds are involved.

Training Day isn't an example of the very best BD can do - even though most in the HD DVD camp seem to think high def doesn't get much better. Both the BD and HD DVD look virtually identical btw. But, Training Day certainly should surpass the DVD in picture and sound. It just may not appear as dramatic the smaller the display.

House... on the other hand is a problem with the source made available to Sony. It does look much more comparable to their DVD than it should. The sound is on a whole other level though.

JLaSoul · 03-12-2007, 02:43 AM

Thanks everyone for your information, I'm glad I opened up a topic we can look into. I just hope I don't have to rebuy every one I got already, or even you guys. But I must say, Training Day was a horrible tranfer that I have seen.

Blue · 03-12-2007, 03:05 AM

There is still much to be learnt about High Def all round. The male TV presenters are complaining that they have to wear much more make up for HD. The resolution of DVD was so poor that a poor print transferred onto an even poorer medium meant that it was not noticed. Now every little flaw stands out like a beacon, not to mention focus, colour and a host of other factors. Over time the players will get much better than the current batch and the 1080p display devices will improve. We may or may not see 100 or 200GB for movies, I suspect this will depend on what will have to be done to the existing players. For the record 100GB (Sony) 200GB (TDK) were announced as toys in the lab long before HD-DVD announced they were thinking of triple layer, again what is involved for backward compatibility is pure speculation at this point. It however seems that 50GB seems to be the sweet spot for movies or I assume HD-DVD would have gone for 4 layers to approx 69GB and used the quality trump card.
There is a great deal more to be squezzed out of Blu-ray, they will be just small advances that will occur further and further appart once we get over the first 3 or so generations.

Chad Varnadore · 03-12-2007, 04:26 AM

I think 100 and 200 GB discs were always intended for data storage. But, it wasn't until this past CES that any mention was made for pre-recorded video.

JLaSoul, Training Day certainly looks far from horrid in our review system at 92". If you're viewing on a screen that dwarfs our own, maybe you're seeing something we're not. But, if your display is smaller it should appear just as good if not better. If that's not the case something isn't right.

dialog_gvf · 03-12-2007, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chad Varnadore

Sony said at CES that they're beginning work on a 100GB disc for studios that have asked for them. I imagine they'll be flippers, but some site reported that they thought it would still be single sided, which means odds are nothing currently will play it without firmware or physical modification.

Really? There was the LG-Hitachi demo intended to get people thinking of a future 4Kx2K format, but I wasn't aware of anything specific about > 2 layer replication.

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Originally Posted by Chad Varnadore

Early DVD players didn't support some advancements with DVD either. Some even had trouble playing DVD18s. None supported DTS. It's the price we pay for being early adopters.

Darn it. Can't we forget all this and go around telling people that 100GB will obviously work on all current players?! We can't allow delusion gap with the HD DVD camp, can we?

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Originally Posted by Chad Varnadore

BD is achieving now its potential or very close to in picture and sound and doing better than HD DVD in that regard. By that I mean BD is doing much higher video bitrates and supporting lossless audio far more frequently - most of the exclusives are offering nothing but lossless. The best PQ I've seen from BD is better than the best I've seen on HD DVD. And probably the top 30-40 or so audio experiences I've had have all been from PCM.

Not having HD DVD, I can't say if BD is surpassing it. I can say that, so far, no VC-1 titles I have seen have equalled the best BD titles. And that points to a problem.

Gary

Dace · 03-12-2007, 06:15 AM

While your post/question is logic, it is directed at an illogical/sad fact. The fact that we live in a society of mass consumption and quick profits.

Yes, "early adaption" is also part of the equation, but its a small part. The truth of it is that Sony might have possibly come out with a properly/fully "researched and tested" top of the line end-all-be-all Blu-ray Disc player. And they could've taken the time to perfect every movie they released. But then where would they go from there?

Businesses grow/strive from repeat orders. so it makes more sense to them to release everything in stages. Until they can no longer improve or profit from the present technology/product and so they release some new product to exploit.

You either accept this fact and jump aboard on the merry-go-round or refuse. After all. there is nothing better than a good book and your imagination

PS One other reason quality lacks in almost every product out there is that both we and companies place more importance to quantity, speed and price than quality. But thats another story for another time.

Deciazulado · 03-12-2007, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rustmonsteru

House of Flying Daggers was notorius for being a mess on DVD before it ever made its' way to Blu-ray. Sony needs to get a hold of the HD cam remaster that Zoke did (see links).

"For House of Flying Daggers, they went from film (first generation) into the computer (second generation @ 2k resolution loss), back to film (third generation) and then, back into the computer (fourth generation) for final digital master for DVD, etc." -from the links below

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCom...ingdaggers.htm
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDRe...ng_daggers.htm

Well I wouldn't call that 4 generations. If you scan at enough resolution/bit-depth, and compensate digitally for optical loss the DI should look like a clone or even better than the unmassaged neg. Doing more A/D conversions can degrade the signal but it's not like duping negative onto interpositive stock onto internegative stock into print stock, which is what you see most movies from in theaters, projected thru a lens. (more loss). So going from neg to scan to film to scan, is at best like scanning the interpositive (second gen) or at worst scanning the interpositive (3rd gen) if you consider the first scan to have degraded the image. As we are seeing the end result in a digital 2k format (Blu-ray = 2k projection) the 2k DI loss can't be too great.

If you watch HOTFD on a 1080p 1:1 direct view display (not a CRT, or a DLP/LCD etc projector (have lens)) as I've said before, it looks as good or better than most foreign Scope prints look on a theater. The color in some scenes is great too. (*thinks of Xiaomei red lips). Some shots look soft like if they were shot in lenses with open wide apertures and lots of aberrations, some shots look sharp. If I watch it, all I think is: this is supposedly the worst one, and it still looks better than several projections do at my local 'Fine Arts" cinema.

Now, watching Lethal Weapon 2 while the image is clean bright and clear as a whistle, I can see jaggies like the horizontal resolution was just 960 instead of 1920. So either i reduce the zoom from a projector or have to sit back farther away from a direct view. So which one is the best transfer?

That doesn't mean that scanning the HOTFD neg at 4k, or cloning the 2k DI for the Blu-ray master and encoding it at 27 Mb/s AVC won't show an improvement. It'll probably will, as we'd be sidestepping a film generation, or even more, like the difference from a theatrical print to an answer print. But for now my Shi mian mai fu BD will do. (our first BD Bond Girl bought on the BD launch)

marine92104 · 03-12-2007, 09:47 AM

I think what Jlasoul is talking about is alot of the last years releases was on BD-25 & now alot of them are releasing on BD-50s with AVC encoding for a better picture & a higher bitrate because of all the extra space.

Are we going to have to double-dip on titles later that will be re-released with better picture quality & sound that we bought before BD-50s were widely used & AVC encoding.

I've bought so many copies of Terminator 2 it's crazy. I can't believe that released it on Blu-ray without uncompressed sound & on a BD-50 with aVC encoding. I know BD-50s weren't widely available when they released it but they should have waited & released the extended cut later.

Every time it comes out it has a better picture & sound or an extended cut. And sure enough they'll probably come out with a BD-50 Extended cut & uncompressed pcm sound soon so we'll have to rebuy it again.

The movie studios love to make you double-dip regardless of format.

By the way Jlasoul I was just thinking about that the other day. Alot of titles that I own are BD-25s with MPEG-2 encoding. I'm sure the higher bitrate that BD-50s would allow would make the transfer look alot better on alot of my Blu-ray titles.

Dave · 03-12-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

The 200GB disc will never be used for movies, it would be incompatible with all current players and the PS3, they will be used for computer burners.

I think it will. Later (few years from now) movies will require even more space and then they will release players supporting it and will begin to make movies on 200GB media.

But you are right, first will be PCs...

JLaSoul · 03-12-2007, 12:22 PM

nice looking out marine92104, we the people, not blu-ray supporters or anyone else should let them do that. I think they should perfect it and go from there, that's like saying, well we built a car but there are alot of stuff we still need to work on, I don't think people will take that risk right, what makes this any difference, it's our hard earned money for them to what, just test there new proto type. What the hell do they tell us on our blu-ray movies we buy everybody, the ultimate picture and sound, wow, well give us everything ultimate and satisfy your costumers, that will win the people. When people say deal with it and your the buyer having to do all this crap, I think there is something wrong with that and even if they are the ones making it and have the smarts, look at all this info we come up with, we're not as stupid as we thinks, and plus we are making them there money to do that. Which brings me to a saying I once heard, "The people shouldn't be affraid of there government, the government should be affraid of there people.

JLaSoul · 03-12-2007, 12:30 PM

Another thing, we sit here and post which movies look good and which ones look bad, aren't they all suppose to be ultimate. And don't get me wrong folks I've seen some ultimate HD that's why I know all the movies I got and you got should be the same and no different, don't make up excuses for them tell them what YOU want. If they knew that it was going to be like this, they should have not put it out already, to make people keep asking when will the good stuff come? And no, I'm not writing blu-ray about this and all that, for those who are saying you talkin' all this stuff why don't you do something, if you are saying that, just think about it for a minute.how are they making you question yourself. I'm just here chattin' with my homies. Later folks.

03-11-2007, 10:58 PM	#1
JLaSoul Active Member Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray collection:219	Question for all blu-ray supporters I've been told and saw that the people that handle blu-ray has not yet used it's disc to it's true potential, that's why some look better than others, and also heard they are going to put out another fifth element that is suppose to be better than the first disc in quality and everything else. Where I'm going with this question is, when they do get it finally right like dvd movies now, they us it to it's limit, are we going to have to buy these movies all over again? Because think about it, when blu-ray wins this format war, if this is all true and they will release better quality versions, it would be the same if blu-ray lost because if we really wanted true hd we would have to buy all movies all over again. I know training day is probably the only blu-ray movie that I've seen that is not to it's full ptotenial because I can say that the normal dvd almost looks better. Are any of you kinda bothered by that if this is true? Please shed some light on this subject for all who know more than me.

03-12-2007, 06:15 AM	#15
Dace Active Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:Montreal, QC - Canada	While your post/question is logic, it is directed at an illogical/sad fact. The fact that we live in a society of mass consumption and quick profits. Yes, "early adaption" is also part of the equation, but its a small part. The truth of it is that Sony might have possibly come out with a properly/fully "researched and tested" top of the line end-all-be-all Blu-ray Disc player. And they could've taken the time to perfect every movie they released. But then where would they go from there? Businesses grow/strive from repeat orders. so it makes more sense to them to release everything in stages. Until they can no longer improve or profit from the present technology/product and so they release some new product to exploit. You either accept this fact and jump aboard on the merry-go-round or refuse. After all. there is nothing better than a good book and your imagination PS One other reason quality lacks in almost every product out there is that both we and companies place more importance to quantity, speed and price than quality. But thats another story for another time. Last edited by Dace; 03-12-2007 at 06:21 AM.

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03-12-2007, 12:18 AM	#3
Rustmonsteru Expert Member Member since:Mar 2007	House of Flying Daggers was notorius for being a mess on DVD before it ever made its' way to Blu-ray. Sony needs to get a hold of the HD cam remaster that Zoke did (see links). "For House of Flying Daggers, they went from film (first generation) into the computer (second generation @ 2k resolution loss), back to film (third generation) and then, back into the computer (fourth generation) for final digital master for DVD, etc." -from the links below http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCom...ingdaggers.htm http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDRe...ng_daggers.htm

03-12-2007, 12:19 AM	#4
nhaase Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Trading Score:2	House of Flying Daggers and Training Day really disappointed me, especially the former. Like jorg said, the full potential is when the 200gb disc is out, but there is also the fact that better transfer codecs help with quality, as do refinements to production. From what I have seen with the newer movies, however, is that they look great, better than HD movies on HBO or anything else I've seen anywhere. The Casino Royale Trailer on the Sony Marketplace looks absolutely amazing. I think they've had a few hiccups, but overall I see a marked improvement over DVD. Also, with DVD, there have been re-releases of some titles to utilize better soundtrack transfers, as well as enhancements for viewing on a widescreen TV. While it bothers me a little if they're re-releasing BR titles already, you sort of had to be wary with the new technology. When a movie that was released before BR came along is put out on it now, I always wait for a few reviews of that movie to see if the reviewer thinks there is an appreciable upgrade to the PQ and SQ.

03-12-2007, 12:34 AM	#6
Knight-Errant Power Member Member since:Aug 2005 Location:Sheffield, UK	Yeah we're probably looking at re-releases down the road somewhere. The Fifth Element is on the way of course. But I think that's just par for the course when it comes to early adoption and I'm willing to accept it as I kinda did with DVD.

03-12-2007, 01:32 AM	#10
Chad Varnadore Senior Member Member since:Aug 2006 Location:Salisbury, NC Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:349 Blu-ray reviews:19	Sony said at CES that they're beginning work on a 100GB disc for studios that have asked for them. I imagine they'll be flippers, but some site reported that they thought it would still be single sided, which means odds are nothing currently will play it without firmware or physical modification. I don't know if we'll ever see 150 or 200 GB discs outside of datastorage though. If HD DVD folds before they get 100 GBs working, we may not even see those. As I sort of got the impression that the 100GB announcement may have been in response to HD DVDs 51GB press release-which apparently they haven't made any headway on since CES either. Early DVD players didn't support some advancements with DVD either. Some even had trouble playing DVD18s. None supported DTS. It's the price we pay for being early adopters. There's no guarantee that the hardware will remain current. None of the current generation of players may support a some of the things they do with java down the road. I believe the PS3 is the only one that might support PIP. BD is achieving now its potential or very close to in picture and sound and doing better than HD DVD in that regard. By that I mean BD is doing much higher video bitrates and supporting lossless audio far more frequently - most of the exclusives are offering nothing but lossless. The best PQ I've seen from BD is better than the best I've seen on HD DVD. And probably the top 30-40 or so audio experiences I've had have all been from PCM. Weinstein's release of Pulse offers the wickedest low frequency experience I've ever had. But that was just one scene. The rest of the soundtrack was only so, so despite being TrueHD. The primary area for growth in the BD format lies with extras. Already BD is doing more extras with good quality HD video on average. But, it's still waiting on java to catch up in interactivity. Even when BDs java support catches up with HD DVDs HDi, it'll still continue to grow possibly for years as developers come up with new things to do with enhanced interactivity. So theoretically the format may never fully mature, as long as creative minds are involved. Training Day isn't an example of the very best BD can do - even though most in the HD DVD camp seem to think high def doesn't get much better. Both the BD and HD DVD look virtually identical btw. But, Training Day certainly should surpass the DVD in picture and sound. It just may not appear as dramatic the smaller the display. House... on the other hand is a problem with the source made available to Sony. It does look much more comparable to their DVD than it should. The sound is on a whole other level though.

03-12-2007, 02:43 AM	#11
JLaSoul Active Member Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray collection:219	Thanks everyone for your information, I'm glad I opened up a topic we can look into. I just hope I don't have to rebuy every one I got already, or even you guys. But I must say, Training Day was a horrible tranfer that I have seen.

03-12-2007, 03:05 AM	#12
Blue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jan 2005 Location:Melbourne Australia Blu-ray collection:206	There is still much to be learnt about High Def all round. The male TV presenters are complaining that they have to wear much more make up for HD. The resolution of DVD was so poor that a poor print transferred onto an even poorer medium meant that it was not noticed. Now every little flaw stands out like a beacon, not to mention focus, colour and a host of other factors. Over time the players will get much better than the current batch and the 1080p display devices will improve. We may or may not see 100 or 200GB for movies, I suspect this will depend on what will have to be done to the existing players. For the record 100GB (Sony) 200GB (TDK) were announced as toys in the lab long before HD-DVD announced they were thinking of triple layer, again what is involved for backward compatibility is pure speculation at this point. It however seems that 50GB seems to be the sweet spot for movies or I assume HD-DVD would have gone for 4 layers to approx 69GB and used the quality trump card. There is a great deal more to be squezzed out of Blu-ray, they will be just small advances that will occur further and further appart once we get over the first 3 or so generations.

03-12-2007, 04:26 AM	#13
Chad Varnadore Senior Member Member since:Aug 2006 Location:Salisbury, NC Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:349 Blu-ray reviews:19	I think 100 and 200 GB discs were always intended for data storage. But, it wasn't until this past CES that any mention was made for pre-recorded video. JLaSoul, Training Day certainly looks far from horrid in our review system at 92". If you're viewing on a screen that dwarfs our own, maybe you're seeing something we're not. But, if your display is smaller it should appear just as good if not better. If that's not the case something isn't right.

03-12-2007, 09:47 AM	#17
marine92104 Expert Member Member since:Oct 2006 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:1 iTunes collection:9 Trading Score:43	I think what Jlasoul is talking about is alot of the last years releases was on BD-25 & now alot of them are releasing on BD-50s with AVC encoding for a better picture & a higher bitrate because of all the extra space. Are we going to have to double-dip on titles later that will be re-released with better picture quality & sound that we bought before BD-50s were widely used & AVC encoding. I've bought so many copies of Terminator 2 it's crazy. I can't believe that released it on Blu-ray without uncompressed sound & on a BD-50 with aVC encoding. I know BD-50s weren't widely available when they released it but they should have waited & released the extended cut later. Every time it comes out it has a better picture & sound or an extended cut. And sure enough they'll probably come out with a BD-50 Extended cut & uncompressed pcm sound soon so we'll have to rebuy it again. The movie studios love to make you double-dip regardless of format. By the way Jlasoul I was just thinking about that the other day. Alot of titles that I own are BD-25s with MPEG-2 encoding. I'm sure the higher bitrate that BD-50s would allow would make the transfer look alot better on alot of my Blu-ray titles.

03-12-2007, 12:22 PM	#19
JLaSoul Active Member Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray collection:219	nice looking out marine92104, we the people, not blu-ray supporters or anyone else should let them do that. I think they should perfect it and go from there, that's like saying, well we built a car but there are alot of stuff we still need to work on, I don't think people will take that risk right, what makes this any difference, it's our hard earned money for them to what, just test there new proto type. What the hell do they tell us on our blu-ray movies we buy everybody, the ultimate picture and sound, wow, well give us everything ultimate and satisfy your costumers, that will win the people. When people say deal with it and your the buyer having to do all this crap, I think there is something wrong with that and even if they are the ones making it and have the smarts, look at all this info we come up with, we're not as stupid as we thinks, and plus we are making them there money to do that. Which brings me to a saying I once heard, "The people shouldn't be affraid of there government, the government should be affraid of there people.

03-12-2007, 12:30 PM	#20
JLaSoul Active Member Member since:Mar 2007 Blu-ray collection:219	Another thing, we sit here and post which movies look good and which ones look bad, aren't they all suppose to be ultimate. And don't get me wrong folks I've seen some ultimate HD that's why I know all the movies I got and you got should be the same and no different, don't make up excuses for them tell them what YOU want. If they knew that it was going to be like this, they should have not put it out already, to make people keep asking when will the good stuff come? And no, I'm not writing blu-ray about this and all that, for those who are saying you talkin' all this stuff why don't you do something, if you are saying that, just think about it for a minute.how are they making you question yourself. I'm just here chattin' with my homies. Later folks.

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