DTS MA-HD: What's the big deal? - Blu-ray Forum

Maxell · 03-20-2008, 11:56 PM

Sorry if this has been asked before.

What is the big deal with DTS MA-HD and getting it on the PS3? Is it that much better than PCM and Dolby TrueHD? What titles even offer DTS MA-HD that doesn't offer one of the other?

stockstar1138 · 03-20-2008, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxell

Sorry if this has been asked before.

What is the big deal with DTS MA-HD and getting it on the PS3? Is it that much better than PCM and Dolby TrueHD? What titles even offer DTS MA-HD that doesn't offer one of the other?

Bit by Bit its the same as both PCM and TrueHD. The reason its a big deal though is some titles don't have PCM and TrueHD tracks, just DTS HD-MA (all fox titles for example). If the PS3 can't decode the DTS HD MA, it gets downconverted into just regular DTS. As of now PS3 movie users cannot get lossless audio out of any Fox title.

sodrock · 03-20-2008, 11:59 PM

THe problem is that for some releases the only lossless track are either Dolby TrueHD or DTS-MA HD; leaving off the PCM track.

Maxell · 03-21-2008, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by stockstar1138

Bit by Bit its the same as both PCM and TrueHD. The reason its a big deal though is some titles don't have PCM and TrueHD tracks, just DTS HD-MA (all fox titles for example). If the PS3 can't decode the DTS HD MA, it gets downconverted into just regular DTS. As of now PS3 movie users cannot get lossless audio out of any Fox title.

Thanks. I didn't realize that about Fox titles. I guess I'll have to watch all my Fox movies again when this gets implemented on the PS3

gvortex7 · 03-21-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxell

Thanks. I didn't realize that about Fox titles. I guess I'll have to watch all my Fox movies again when this gets implemented on the PS3

Also, most New Line titles as well.

obiwopkenobi62 · 03-21-2008, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by stockstar1138

Bit by Bit its the same as both PCM and TrueHD. The reason its a big deal though is some titles don't have PCM and TrueHD tracks, just DTS HD-MA (all fox titles for example). If the PS3 can't decode the DTS HD MA, it gets downconverted into just regular DTS. As of now PS3 movie users cannot get lossless audio out of any Fox title.

Even if it gets downconverted to DTS, it still sounds pretty damn good. Don't get me wrong, hopefully Sony will remedy this, but for now I can live with DTS. If I remember correctly, Ice Age had DTS HD MA(I think), I ran it through the PS3 and the surround sound sounded great.

gvortex7 · 03-21-2008, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by obiwopkenobi62

Even if it gets downconverted to DTS, it still sounds pretty damn good. Don't get me wrong, hopefully Sony will remedy this, but for now I can live with DTS. If I remember correctly, Ice Age had DTS HD MA(I think), I ran it through the PS3 and the surround sound sounded great.

I agree. Even a DTS core track that's only running at 1.5Mbps still sounds pretty dynamic to me.

stockstar1138 · 03-21-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by obiwopkenobi62

Even if it gets downconverted to DTS, it still sounds pretty damn good. Don't get me wrong, hopefully Sony will remedy this, but for now I can live with DTS. If I remember correctly, Ice Age had DTS HD MA(I think), I ran it through the PS3 and the surround sound sounded great.

i agree, i think people make a bigger deal out of DTS HD MA than they should, but it would be a nice feature, especially considering the PS3 is supposed to be the ultimate blu-ray player.

RUR · 03-21-2008, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxell

Thanks. I didn't realize that about Fox titles. I guess I'll have to watch all my Fox movies again when this gets implemented on the PS3

I, Robot + DTS HD MA = audio nirvana.

xman · 03-21-2008, 12:41 AM

So dose DTS-HD MA sound better than PCM?

stockstar1138 · 03-21-2008, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by xman

So dose DTS-HD MA sound better than PCM?

the same

blueblood · 03-21-2008, 12:49 AM

So help me out here, even if my receiver can decode DTS-HD MA I still wont here it because my PS3 doesnt decode it???? I was under the impression that as long as my receiver did the decoding I would get DTS-HD MA

unreal1080p · 03-21-2008, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by xman

So dose DTS-HD MA sound better than PCM?

Both Lossless, therefore both sound the same but DTS-HD MA takes less space since it's a compressed format vs. LPCM. Also, the DTS-HD MA contains within it a regular DTS soundtrack for those who only have legacy A/V receivers and takes up even less space since there is no need to provide a seperate legacy audio track because it's included "built-in". DTS-HD MA is superior to Dolby TrueHD because it does'nt use Dialog Normalization + Dolby TrueHD does not contain Dolby Digital built-in and therefore the legacy soundtrack must be provided seperately requiring more waste of space on the Blu-Ray disc.

stockstar1138 · 03-21-2008, 12:50 AM

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So help me out here, even if my receiver can decode DTS-HD MA I still wont here it because my PS3 doesnt decode it???? I was under the impression that as long as my receiver did the decoding I would get DTS-HD MA

right. if you are using a ps3 you are not getting DTS HD MA right now. Supposedly its going to support it shortly though.

xman · 03-21-2008, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by stockstar1138

the same

Thanks

RUR · 03-21-2008, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by blueblood

So help me out here, even if my receiver can decode DTS-HD MA I still wont here it because my PS3 doesnt decode it???? I was under the impression that as long as my receiver did the decoding I would get DTS-HD MA

Not at the moment. To get it, either the PS3 must bitstream MA to your receiver for decoding (this isn't happening and won't happen as the PS3 cannot bitstream the codec) or the PS3 must decode MA to MPCM and send it to your receiver. This latter scenario is what everyone is waiting for.

jaukerma · 03-21-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxell

Sorry if this has been asked before.

What is the big deal with DTS MA-HD and getting it on the PS3? Is it that much better than PCM and Dolby TrueHD? What titles even offer DTS MA-HD that doesn't offer one of the other?

All I can say is that in theory, yes, DTS-HD Master Lossless Audio should be better than PCM and Dolby TrueHD. I can't say from experience because all I have is a PS3, so I have yet to hear DTS-HD on my system. I can say with confidence that Dolby TrueHD and PCM are much better than the 1.5 Mbit/s "core" track that the PS3 pulls from movies that have a DTS-HD Master Lossless Audio track. I'm expecting DTS-HD MLA to blow PCM and Dolby TrueHD out of the water when I can actually hear it, but even if it is simply on par with the other next gen audio tracks, then it'll be a very worthwhile upgrade.

I think most, if not all Fox titles have DTS-HD Master Lossless Audio.

Anyway, hope that helps.

jaukerma · 03-21-2008, 04:28 PM

Sorry, should've read the rest of the answers before I posted. My bad.

JasonR · 03-21-2008, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jaukerma

All I can say is that in theory, yes, DTS-HD Master Lossless Audio should be better than PCM and Dolby TrueHD. I can't say from experience because all I have is a PS3, so I have yet to hear DTS-HD on my system. I can say with confidence that Dolby TrueHD and PCM are much better than the 1.5 Mbit/s "core" track that the PS3 pulls from movies that have a DTS-HD Master Lossless Audio track. I'm expecting DTS-HD MLA to blow PCM and Dolby TrueHD out of the water when I can actually hear it, but even if it is simply on par with the other next gen audio tracks, then it'll be a very worthwhile upgrade.

I think most, if not all Fox titles have DTS-HD Master Lossless Audio.

Anyway, hope that helps.

Why?

MarekM · 03-21-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jaukerma

All I can say is that in theory, yes, DTS-HD Master Lossless Audio should be better than PCM and Dolby TrueHD. I can't say from experience because all I have is a PS3, so I have yet to hear DTS-HD on my system. I can say with confidence that Dolby TrueHD and PCM are much better than the 1.5 Mbit/s "core" track that the PS3 pulls from movies that have a DTS-HD Master Lossless Audio track. I'm expecting DTS-HD MLA to blow PCM and Dolby TrueHD out of the water when I can actually hear it, but even if it is simply on par with the other next gen audio tracks, then it'll be a very worthwhile upgrade.

I think most, if not all Fox titles have DTS-HD Master Lossless Audio.

Anyway, hope that helps.

DTS-HD MA = DoblyTrue HD = PCM, bit for bit

03-20-2008, 11:56 PM	#1
Maxell Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007	DTS MA-HD: What's the big deal? Sorry if this has been asked before. What is the big deal with DTS MA-HD and getting it on the PS3? Is it that much better than PCM and Dolby TrueHD? What titles even offer DTS MA-HD that doesn't offer one of the other?

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03-20-2008, 11:59 PM	#3
sodrock Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Nashville, TN Blu-ray collection:104 Blu-ray reviews:1	THe problem is that for some releases the only lossless track are either Dolby TrueHD or DTS-MA HD; leaving off the PCM track.

03-21-2008, 12:41 AM	#10
xman Active Member Member since:Jul 2007	So dose DTS-HD MA sound better than PCM?

03-21-2008, 12:49 AM	#12
blueblood Member Member since:Aug 2007	So help me out here, even if my receiver can decode DTS-HD MA I still wont here it because my PS3 doesnt decode it???? I was under the impression that as long as my receiver did the decoding I would get DTS-HD MA

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jaukerma Member Member since:Aug 2007 Blu-ray collection:152 Blu-ray reviews: 6	Sorry, should've read the rest of the answers before I posted. My bad.

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