Samsung Duo-player

[BTBuck1]

I think now is the time that everyone needs to really pressure Universal for nuetrality in this format war. It's getting ridiculous. They are forcing Millions of consumers into spending thousands unneccessarily, they are causing CE mfr's to design/release unneccessary hardware, and well WB is just a bunch of dildo heads.

Anyone have a web adress we could flood Universal with for requesting Blu-ray?

We should start a thread where we contact Universal individually for blu-ray.

Where we contact samsung against HDDVD inclusion

and where we contact WB (not that they'll listen) against THD!

[HDTV1080P]

Sorry folks if I keep repeating myself, in away this story is really ticking me off. Now both LG and Samsung are making combo players. My hope was that Universal Studios would have started releasing movies in BLU-RAY and there would be no market for combo players. Both formats are now going to coexist. Once quality Universal players reach around $500 then sales of both Toshiba HD-DVD players and Sony BLU-RAY players will suffer. I now expect many more companies coming out with universal players in late 2008 for under $500.
I was planning on upgrading all my DVD players with the Sony BDP-S300 this July or August but now am going to hold off for Universal HDTV players for under $1000. As the way it looks now I will be upgrading all my DVD players with a universal player when they hit the under $500 price point.
Universal players will only cause both formats to coexist especially when some studios release better soundtracks on HD-DVD titles. With a universal player consumers will be able to choose a title based on which version has the best picture and sound quality.

I am a movie collector first wanting the best sound and picture quality regardless of format.

I do not currently own any HD-DVD movies but with universal players coming that work correctly in both formats that will change. Universal Studios caused this to happen by not releasing in BLU-RAY.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Sorry folks if I keep repeating myself, in away this story is really ticking me off. Now both LG and Samsung are making combo players. My hope was that Universal Studios would have started releasing movies in BLU-RAY and there would be no market for combo players. Both formats are now going to coexist. Once quality Universal players reach around $500 then sales of both Toshiba HD-DVD players and Sony BLU-RAY players will suffer. I now expect many more companies coming out with universal players in late 2008 for under $500.
I was planning on upgrading all my DVD players with the Sony BDP-S300 this July or August but now am going to hold off for Universal HDTV players for under $1000. As the way it looks now I will be upgrading all my DVD players with a universal player when they hit the under $500 price point.
Universal players will only cause both formats to coexist especially when some studios release better soundtracks on HD-DVD titles. With a universal player consumers will be able to choose a title based on which version has the best picture and sound quality.

I am a movie collector first wanting the best sound and picture quality regardless of format.

I do not currently own any HD-DVD movies but with universal players coming that work correctly in both formats that will change. Universal Studios caused this to happen by not releasing in BLU-RAY.

Since BLu-ray has 90% studio support wouldn't buy the bdps300 still be the better idea? Maybe buy one combo player for your living room, and BD players for the others, as it will be a Rare event you watch a Uni title...don't ya think? If I were you i'd wait, you've waited this long...why go and make a rash decision now.



BTW, your choice in thread layout is somewhat insulting. We all understand how paragraphs/sentences work, you don't have to BOLD, or Color different sections to show a new paragraph/sentence.

[coolmilo]

The only value I see with a combo player is those poor unfortunate souls who bought into HD DVD will have something to sort of protect their investment while moving to Blu-ray. It's sort of an exit plan for Toshiba and Microsoft to save face. However, if Blu-ray supporters buy this player so that they can watch Universal HD then the war will rage on for along time to come.

[HDTV1080P]

Yes, I will still support BLU-RAY for now but if Universal Studios never releases on BLU-RAY then I will need to go the Universal HDTV player route. The reason I do not own a HD-DVD player is I was hoping that by not supporting the Toshiba format that it would die. It’s in my best interest to upgrade all my DVD’s to HDTV optical discs so that I do not have to carry dual inventory. People that live with large families have to either stock all their movies on both DVD and BLU-RAY or replace all the DVD players with BLU-RAY players. The problem with replacing all the DVD players with BLU-RAY is that Universal Studios does not release in BLU-RAY. I am not going to replace every DVD player with both a HD-DVD player and a BLU-RAY player.

Universal players for around $500 would be the best solution for people like me because of the following

• The ability to play all Blu-ray movies and the much wanted HD-DVD Universal Studios titles.
• By upgrading all my DVD players with Universal Players I can then upgrade DVD titles to HDTV titles without people complaining that they can not watch the movie. I do not want to purchase both a DVD and HDTV version of the saem movie to make everyone happy.
• No need to purchase both a BLU-RAY player and HD-DVD player for every room.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by coolmilo

The only value I see with a combo player is those poor unfortunate souls who bought into HD DVD will have something to sort of protect their investment while moving to Blu-ray. It's sort of an exit plan for Toshiba and Microsoft to save face. However, if Blu-ray supporters buy this player so that they can watch Universal HD then the war will rage on for along time to come.

Very good points, However I see Blu-ray gaining more from this than HDDVD.
Yeah you will easily have people buying Universal only, because they are exclusive...so this will help HDDVD. However, Disney-Sony-Fox-MGM will now also have more sales as a result from this. Thats 4-1 right there. Now you have Paramount thats probably going to be a wash. Then that leaves WB. I think it will come down to price, and if a movie is a combo (which some of theres are) then I am almost positive that most people would prefer to save their $5 more. Also from what i've seen once people collections start to outgrow the other (Blu vs. Red) I see a trend in that they start leaning one toward one over the other.

[WriteSimply]

I know people here are cranky today about this announcement. This is my attempt at making lemonade for a lemon day.

HD DVD supporters who want to get away from Toshiba now gets to do that AND secretly dabble into the world of BD!


fuad

[saljr]

My opinion anytime after October, If blu-ray sale continue by the end year we should know what format is going to win. Right Samsung won't have the player by X-Merry. So blu-ray still has advantage.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by saljr

My opinion anytime after October we should know who won. If blu-ray sale continue by the end year we should know what format is going to win. Right Samsung won't have the player by X-Merry. So blu-ray still has advantage.

I agree.

I think we're already seeing signs of a gradual ramp up on the BD software side.

I just can't fathom a universe where we don't see a lot of killer, exclusive BD content out there come this critical holiday season, especially from Sony Studios, Fox, and Disney. <- You just can't get away from these big three no matter how hard you try.

That's where this thing should be iced and what I've been expecting for a while now. That expectation still hasn't changed, even if Universal remains stubborn through that entire time period.

[Longshot]

Originally Posted by saljr

My opinion anytime after October, If blu-ray sale continue by the end year we should know what format is going to win. Right Samsung won't have the player by X-Merry. So blu-ray still has advantage.

Excellent point! Maybe this will be a wake up call to the BDA studios to get their s**t together and start releasing the big guns.

[HDTV1080P]

Even if there is a flood of Universal Players that hit the market in 2008, Sony, Disney, and Fox still make money on exclusive BLU-RAY movie releases. In a world where combo HDTV players are in demand standalone HD-DVD and BLU-RAY players will suffer. Software sales are more important. The news today was Samsung is going neutral in the format war. So far none of the BLU-RAY studios have went neutral. With over 6 million BLU-RAY PS3 machines shipped world wide I really doubt FOX or Disney will go neutral now.

[john_1958]

Originally Posted by McBain

Combo players are a bad idea in the big picture.

http://www.emedialive.com/Articles/R...rticleID=12581

I disagree i think dual formats are great

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by john_1958

I disagree i think dual formats are great

Care to expound on such a statement?

[JTK]

Originally Posted by john_1958

I disagree i think dual formats are great

Not surprising.

[dialog_gvf]

Remember, the CE and the studios want people to start buying into HD discs in a big way. If research shows the lack of universal support is stopping someone from buying a Samsung BD player, then Samsung may feel it necessary to offer the option.

It is still a BD player. And every BD player is a good thing. Realize that this announcement also steals thunder from Toshiba and cheap HD DVD-only players.

The HD DVD folk see this as maintaining their format, which is does. It offers them options. But, the option is a Blu-ray player.

Combo players will always be more expensive to make than single format players. So, a certain side that is price concious to obsessiveness will never buy them. So, how do they get the huge sales to have any affect on the outcome of the war?

Now the fun part: Samsung isn't through with announcements. They also have an inexpensive Blu-ray-only player (cheaper than the P1200) in the pipe-line.

Gary

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Now the fun part: Samsung isn't through with announcements. They also have an inexpensive Blu-ray-only player (cheaper than the P1200) in the pipe-line.

Gary

Care to expand Gary?

[Scorxpion]

LG was a looser player the moment they create a dual format

THD is a looser format and no one will buy it if deserves BD over HD-DVD,As a result will not a see a daylight.

Now Samsung with a dual format is going to be a loosing player too!!!

Why? dont ever think a combo player will play your both format 100% flawlessly without any fault tolerance So a single dedicated player is 100 percent and flawlessly than both.So i choose only BD player .

BD will win at the end because of its superior technology and nothing else.

I only agree with my beloved BLU-RAY friend who are posting great article from everypoint against HD-DVD

[Nismobeach]

Dual format players and THD. The un-choice.

[Longshot]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Remember, the CE and the studios want people to start buying into HD discs in a big way. If research shows the lack of universal support is stopping someone from buying a Samsung BD player, then Samsung may feel it necessary to offer the option.

It is still a BD player. And every BD player is a good thing. Realize that this announcement also steals thunder from Toshiba and cheap HD DVD-only players.

The HD DVD folk see this as maintaining their format, which is does. It offers them options. But, the option is a Blu-ray player.

Combo players will always be more expensive to make than single format players. So, a certain side that is price concious to obsessiveness will never buy them. So, how do they get the huge sales to have any affect on the outcome of the war?

Now the fun part: Samsung isn't through with announcements. They also have an inexpensive Blu-ray-only player (cheaper than the P1200) in the pipe-line.

Gary

Interesting about the cheaper Sammy BD player. In time for xmas? This combo player is still 7-8 months out. That's a long time and much can happen between now and then.

Do you still think we'll see a Denon only BD player this year?

[JTK]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Remember, the CE and the studios want people to start buying into HD discs in a big way. If research shows the lack of universal support is stopping someone from buying a Samsung BD player, then Samsung may feel it necessary to offer the option.

It is still a BD player. And every BD player is a good thing. Realize that this announcement also steals thunder from Toshiba and cheap HD DVD-only players.

The HD DVD folk see this as maintaining their format, which is does. It offers them options. But, the option is a Blu-ray player.

Combo players will always be more expensive to make than single format players. So, a certain side that is price concious to obsessiveness will never buy them. So, how do they get the huge sales to have any affect on the outcome of the war?

Now the fun part: Samsung isn't through with announcements. They also have an inexpensive Blu-ray-only player (cheaper than the P1200) in the pipe-line.

Gary

You're one of several people that have confirmed this detail for here and in a few other spots, which is why this dual format player move puzzles me all the more.

Ok, they're going to release both a standalone BD player AND a dual format player?

*shrugs* Alllrighty then...

I agree with all of your points. Unless I've missed it, I don't think the LG dual player has been making big waves, has it?

And yes, it most certainly hurts Toshiba because I think most people out there would probably choose LG and certainly choose Samsung over Toshiba more often than not.

Originally Posted by Longshot

Interesting about the cheaper Sammy BD player. In time for xmas? This combo player is still 7-8 months out. That's a long time and much can happen between now and then.

Like it may never actually see the light of day.

Do you still think we'll see a Denon only BD player this year?

Good question...or the supposedly HD-DVD only Meridian and Onkyo players?

See a lot of this stuff is just talk right now. LOTS can happen in the next 6+ months from now.