LOTR on TNTHD... WOW!(Question about cable/blu quality; not when will it be released) - Blu-ray Forum

pbparham · 04-05-2008, 12:10 AM

Hey all,

I'm sitting here watching Lord of the Rings, The Fellowship of the Ring, on TNTHD. This one of the better looking HD movies I've seen from a cable/satellite provider. Is this the same thing we'll see on Blu when that glorious day arrives and we get these movies, or will it be better? I'm aware of cable/sat compression and HD-lite, so I'd think the quality of a blu release would be noticeably better, but am wondering if anyone has a good website or anything else that discusses how they treat the film when they prep it for tv vs. dvd and blu.

jq71586 · 04-05-2008, 12:13 AM

I said the same thing way back, and then people yelled at me and called me stupid and said it would be better.

EDIT: 600th post. Yay.

DetroitSportsFan · 04-05-2008, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by pbparham

Hey all,

I'm sitting here watching Lord of the Rings, The Fellowship of the Ring, on TNTHD. This one of the better looking HD movies I've seen from a cable/satellite provider. Is this the same thing we'll see on Blu when that glorious day arrives and we get these movies, or will it be better? I'm aware of cable/sat compression and HD-lite, so I'd think the quality of a blu release would be noticeably better, but am wondering if anyone has a good website or anything else that discusses how they treat the film when they prep it for tv vs. dvd and blu.

I'm no expert, but I do know the BDs will have better picture and sound quality.

chnandler_bong · 04-05-2008, 01:30 AM

I bought the 3rd season of Lost on BD, and I've seen all three seasons in glorious HD via AT&T Dishnetwork. I have to say that if the BD version is gong to be better than what I've seen on TV then I don't think I'll survive just how beatiful the BD presentation will be. This very well may be my last post because I need to go look at the Jacob's Cabin episode in slo-mo.

nycomet · 04-05-2008, 05:09 AM

Well, if it ever comes out on BD I hope they don't include 4 hours of infomercials.

My_Two_Cents · 04-06-2008, 02:36 AM

I apologize in advance if this is a dumb question, but I've wondered this for some time: If LOTR is being shown in HD on TNT, then why can it not be transfered to BD rather simply? This is not a LOTR specific question, but applies to any movies currently being shown on HD cable/sat, but not available on BD yet. Is it simply a matter of the film owners (for whatever various reasons) not "wanting" to do it?

IwantTransformersBlu · 04-06-2008, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ricshoe

I apologize in advance if this is a dumb question, but I've wondered this for some time: If LOTR is being shown in HD on TNT, then why can it not be transfered to BD rather simply? This is not a LOTR specific question, but applies to any movies currently being shown on HD cable/sat, but not available on BD yet. Is it simply a matter of the film owners (for whatever various reasons) not "wanting" to do it?

Its not that its tough to do, its that these companies want to figure out when the bes time to release them where the most people will buy it

bootman · 04-07-2008, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

I'm no expert, but I do know the BDs will have better picture and sound quality.

+1

This is nothing more than the 1.78:1 cropping of the 2.35:1 DVD upconverted to 1080i.
Typical TNT.

broganreynik · 04-07-2008, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bootman

+1

This is nothing more than the 1.78:1 cropping of the 2.35:1 DVD upconverted to 1080i.
Typical TNT.

If that's so, why does it look waaaaaay better than my DVD's that I have?

turboedguy · 04-07-2008, 02:52 AM

It looks way too good to be upconverted. The up close facial details are great, and even on TNT, it looks better than many Blu-ray transfers.

bootman · 04-07-2008, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by broganreynik

If that's so, why does it look waaaaaay better than my DVD's that I have?

You haven't seen an upconverted DVD done with "real" studio equipment.

Well it is a bit more than that.
My main beef is that they cropped the film.

Blu-Jawa · 04-07-2008, 04:12 AM

Spike HD was showing the star wars films and they also looked fantastic! I do not have the pay channels so I missed these when they were shown on HBO.

I saw the LOTR films in HD last year and I agree the Blu-Rays for these films will be great.

Bigdog · 04-07-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bootman

+1

This is nothing more than the 1.78:1 cropping of the 2.35:1 DVD upconverted to 1080i.
Typical TNT.

Sorry but you are freakin insane if you think the picture quality was not good for the lotr movies this weekend. Sorry to say but if it goes to blu the picture will only be slightly better, what blu does well and better then anything is sound.

Elandyll · 04-07-2008, 09:43 PM

Actually, and despite the gorgeous pictures and scenery, I found the images to be fairly soft in this HD presentation.

I am quite sure a big part of it is a deliberate choice from the filmmaker, but I do believe that a good Blu Ray encode could deliver a much better picture

All in all though, it was stunning, and a great way to revisit Middle Earth.

STARSCREAM · 04-07-2008, 10:19 PM

I too watched the LOTR Trilogy on TNT this weekend and the picture was fantastic, waaaaaay better than the dvd's.

Sith · 04-08-2008, 01:46 AM

it's all a matter of how they get there hd movies from the studio....If there
given an extremely clean 1080i copythat's a direct transfer, it's gonna look great....

If there just upscaling it's not gonna be as nice....

But the highest resolution on my directv is 1080i....Not the 1080p we'll get when it FINALLY goes blu

Rabidhunter · 04-08-2008, 01:56 AM

Yeah, the BD will have the advantage, the look and sound will be much better.

Psychonaut · 04-08-2008, 02:11 AM

I can't bear to watch these with commercials cutting into them and little advertisements dancing around in the lower right corner.

bootman · 04-08-2008, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigdog

Sorry but you are freakin insane if you think the picture quality was not good for the lotr movies this weekend. Sorry to say but if it goes to blu the picture will only be slightly better, what blu does well and better then anything is sound.

I compared my dvd copies upconverted with a decent processor (DVDO VP20 w/abit 102 card) and on my 60" the pics were close.
If I zoomed in to simulate the cropping that took place it was almost a wash.

(mind you not all DVDs upconvert this well. LOTR trilogy is a fine pressing for a DVD)

Now just the dvd without the processor doing all the work was not as good.
But not everyone here is nuts enough to own a $2K midrange video processor to upconvert DVDs.

Ferris · 04-08-2008, 02:49 PM

I watched the end of both TTT and ROTK on TNT. It looked VERY good. I absolutely believe it will be mind-blowing when the Blu-day comes. There is no question in my mind. Peter Jackson demands were very high with respect to the CGI in the film. I think he'd be just as demanding with the Blu-ray encode (thank GOD).

04-05-2008, 12:10 AM	#1
pbparham Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Nashville	LOTR on TNTHD... WOW!(Question about cable/blu quality; not when will it be released) Hey all, I'm sitting here watching Lord of the Rings, The Fellowship of the Ring, on TNTHD. This one of the better looking HD movies I've seen from a cable/satellite provider. Is this the same thing we'll see on Blu when that glorious day arrives and we get these movies, or will it be better? I'm aware of cable/sat compression and HD-lite, so I'd think the quality of a blu release would be noticeably better, but am wondering if anyone has a good website or anything else that discusses how they treat the film when they prep it for tv vs. dvd and blu.

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04-05-2008, 12:13 AM	#2
jq71586 Special Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Fall River, MA Blu-ray collection:55 Trading Score:29	I said the same thing way back, and then people yelled at me and called me stupid and said it would be better. EDIT: 600th post. Yay.

04-05-2008, 01:30 AM	#4
chnandler_bong Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Sep 2007 4K collection:91 Blu-ray collection:598 DVD collection:182 Digital collection:97 iTunes collection:132 Trading Score:329	I bought the 3rd season of Lost on BD, and I've seen all three seasons in glorious HD via AT&T Dishnetwork. I have to say that if the BD version is gong to be better than what I've seen on TV then I don't think I'll survive just how beatiful the BD presentation will be. This very well may be my last post because I need to go look at the Jacob's Cabin episode in slo-mo.

04-05-2008, 05:09 AM	#5
nycomet Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Long Island, NY, USA ; I enjoy watching 3D blu-rays; 41 Blufans steels so far Home Theater Gallery:11 Blu-ray collection:1344 DVD collection:55 Digital collection:246 Blu-ray reviews:40 Trading Score:343	Well, if it ever comes out on BD I hope they don't include 4 hours of infomercials.

04-06-2008, 02:36 AM	#6
My_Two_Cents Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Wherever I may roam.... Home Theater Gallery:40 4K collection:35 Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:19 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:4	I apologize in advance if this is a dumb question, but I've wondered this for some time: If LOTR is being shown in HD on TNT, then why can it not be transfered to BD rather simply? This is not a LOTR specific question, but applies to any movies currently being shown on HD cable/sat, but not available on BD yet. Is it simply a matter of the film owners (for whatever various reasons) not "wanting" to do it?

04-07-2008, 02:52 AM	#10
turboedguy Banned Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Santa Clarita Ca.	It looks way too good to be upconverted. The up close facial details are great, and even on TNT, it looks better than many Blu-ray transfers.

04-07-2008, 04:12 AM	#12
Blu-Jawa Expert Member Member since:Dec 2007 4K collection:245 Blu-ray collection:1579 DVD collection:519 Blu-ray reviews:2	Spike HD was showing the star wars films and they also looked fantastic! I do not have the pay channels so I missed these when they were shown on HBO. I saw the LOTR films in HD last year and I agree the Blu-Rays for these films will be great.

04-07-2008, 09:43 PM	#14
Elandyll Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2007 Location:MD Blu-ray collection:188 Trading Score:1	Actually, and despite the gorgeous pictures and scenery, I found the images to be fairly soft in this HD presentation. I am quite sure a big part of it is a deliberate choice from the filmmaker, but I do believe that a good Blu Ray encode could deliver a much better picture All in all though, it was stunning, and a great way to revisit Middle Earth.

04-07-2008, 10:19 PM	#15
STARSCREAM Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Dagobah Blu-ray collection:148 Trading Score:67	I too watched the LOTR Trilogy on TNT this weekend and the picture was fantastic, waaaaaay better than the dvd's.

04-08-2008, 01:46 AM	#16
Sith Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Seal Beach, CA Blu-ray collection:168	it's all a matter of how they get there hd movies from the studio....If there given an extremely clean 1080i copythat's a direct transfer, it's gonna look great.... If there just upscaling it's not gonna be as nice.... But the highest resolution on my directv is 1080i....Not the 1080p we'll get when it FINALLY goes blu

04-08-2008, 01:56 AM	#17
Rabidhunter Senior Member Member since:Feb 2008	Yeah, the BD will have the advantage, the look and sound will be much better.

04-08-2008, 02:11 AM	#18
Psychonaut Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Apr 2008 Location:Second left after Wal-Mart Blu-ray collection:111	I can't bear to watch these with commercials cutting into them and little advertisements dancing around in the lower right corner.

04-08-2008, 02:49 PM	#20
Ferris Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Tampa Bay Area Blu-ray collection:79 Trading Score:1	I watched the end of both TTT and ROTK on TNT. It looked VERY good. I absolutely believe it will be mind-blowing when the Blu-day comes. There is no question in my mind. Peter Jackson demands were very high with respect to the CGI in the film. I think he'd be just as demanding with the Blu-ray encode (thank GOD).

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