Say thanks to Warner Bros. for Blood Diamond

[HDViewer]

Originally Posted by JTK

You're talking to a forum of mostly early adopters.

'Nuff said?

What has it been 6 months? I can understand your eagerness to buy something for your BD player. I was anxiously waiting to download my 1.7 update for my PS3 last night to find out it was only a minor update for the PS and PSP.

Warner needs to ramp up more production for BD but it doesn't happen overnight.

I could care less about PiP for Blood Diamond or any extras that BD would be capable of providing once the tools are fully developed for this title. I'm not going to be disappointed because it doesn't come with a game where I can change the accents of Leonardo DiCraprio. Now The Matrix is another story though.

As long as Warner is not cutting corners in regards to PQ. SQ I'm not so picky about.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Best of Both Worlds

Hmmm... That's worrying. Surely the sensible thing for Warners to do is issue identical editions on both formats. Does this mean they lean more towards HD-DVD than BD? (I ask that as a genuine question, as I really am not up on who supports what, other than that Warners seem to be one of the companies issuing on both formats.)

Warner CAN'T do identical releases without reducing their HD DVD offering.

Up to now they've been holding off BD releases because of a lack of IME. The full IME spec for BD (Profile 1.1) hasn't been finalized yet. So, Warner had three choices:

(1) Go least common denominator
(2) Release the HD DVD early and wait for the IME on BD
(3) Do what they are doing with Blood Diamond

Frankly, (1) would be unfair. And people have been complaining bitterly about (2) with regards to The Matrix, Batman Begins, etc.

Gary

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Warner CAN'T do identical releases without reducing their HD DVD offering.

Up to now they've been holding off BD releases because of a lack of IME. The full IME spec for BD (Profile 1.1) hasn't been finalized yet. So, Warner had three choices:

(1) Go least common denominator
(2) Release the HD DVD early and wait for the IME on BD
(3) Do what they are doing with Blood Diamond

Frankly, (1) would be unfair. And people have been complaining bitterly about (2) with regards to The Matrix, Batman Begins, etc.

Gary

I was unaware of this. I've only had a BD player for a week and am learning the ropes. So really, what can be said is that the only thing that Warners can be blamed for is not waiting before releasing this title. The ball seems firmly in Sony's court over the delay in getting the format's players IME-ready.

[Scorxpion]

We have waiting many times before to buy Batman Begins and V for Vendetta its not a problem if it is released in BD before HD-DVD

Again and insist PIP is nothing to me.Again i would like to emphasis on this criteria how many of us has used his PIP in modern TV .Sure if there is a survey only 10% of population around the world has used it.

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by krinkle

Exactly! Who cares if the HDDVD version lets you vote in polls online? I (at one point before selling manyh of them) had over 500 DVDs and almost never watched the "extras". To me, and it seems many others, picture and audio quality are the most important.

I watch most extras on DVDs, to be honest, and a good extras package can sway my choice between buying and not doing so. When I said I didn't watch most "in movie experiences" on DVD, it was mainly because the format didn't allow it to feel particularly integrated. The IME on Batman Begins on HD-DVD is superb, and I feel I would watch that kind of thing from time to time.

Seriously I would much rather have V for Vendetta, Matrix, and Batman Begins now, than wait for November for a few minor features I'll never use.

There's plenty out there already to buy. I can wait for these titles until Sony gets their act together, to be honest. (Ignoring the fact that I have two of them on HD-DVD already!)

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by Scorxpion

We have waiting many times before to buy Batman Begins and V for Vendetta its not a problem if it is released in BD before HD-DVD

Again and insist PIP is nothing to me.Again i would like to emphasis on this criteria how many of us has used his PIP in modern TV .Sure if there is a survey only 10% of population around the world has used it.

10% of the audience is a high percentage. Do you think they should suffer because of the impatience of a small group of BD fans? I'm sure most potential purchasers would rather that a BD was as definitive as it could be - and not something that could include all possible special features if delayed by just six months.

[blitz6speed]

IME, Online polls, extras. ALL WORTHLESS CRAP. Up the bitrate, put a PCM track on it, BD50 that sucker and put it on the shelf. Thats all we want warner!!!

[theknub]

Originally Posted by Best of Both Worlds

I was unaware of this. I've only had a BD player for a week and am learning the ropes. So really, what can be said is that the only thing that Warners can be blamed for is not waiting before releasing this title. The ball seems firmly in Sony's court over the delay in getting the format's players IME-ready.

im not sure how many times we have to repeat it, but FYI this is not in sony's court. it is in the BDA's court. sony may have spearheaded blu-ray technology but it is really an association of companies that create the specs.

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by theknub

im not sure how many times we have to repeat it, but FYI this is not in sony's court. it is in the BDA's court. sony may have spearheaded blu-ray technology but it is really an association of companies that create the specs.

Told you I was learning the ropes. Wasn't aware of this. And BDA stands for - Blu-ray Disc A...?

[Jack Torrance]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Warner CAN'T do identical releases without reducing their HD DVD offering.

Up to now they've been holding off BD releases because of a lack of IME. The full IME spec for BD (Profile 1.1) hasn't been finalized yet. So, Warner had three choices:

(1) Go least common denominator
(2) Release the HD DVD early and wait for the IME on BD
(3) Do what they are doing with Blood Diamond

Frankly, (1) would be unfair. And people have been complaining bitterly about (2) with regards to The Matrix, Batman Begins, etc.

Gary

So, correct me if I'm wrong - but Warner are releasing the BD version in advance of the hd-dud version? If so, that's a minor victory. And I think that fact alone will result in more sales for the BD version.

Though, I really did want the ability to vote on those IME opinion polls

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

IME, Online polls, extras. ALL WORTHLESS CRAP. Up the bitrate, put a PCM track on it, BD50 that sucker and put it on the shelf. Thats all we want warner!!!

Yeah, but the point is, that'd be fine for you, but for the average consumer, omitting those things could well have them going for the HD-DVD alternative... particularly if this becomes a trend. It could make the difference between them opting for a BD player or an HD-DVD player. There are too many parallels with the VHS/Betamax fight for those in the BD corner to be complacent on such things.

[HDViewer]

Originally Posted by Best of Both Worlds

Told you I was learning the ropes. Wasn't aware of this. And BDA stands for - Blu-ray Disc A...?

BDA stands for Blu-ray Disc Association.

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by HDViewer

BDA stands for Blu-ray Disc Association.

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/

Thank you. I'll try to remember!

[dialog_gvf]

Certainly people can argue that the BDA should have finalized the spec well before now, even if that meant dedicated players wouldn't support it for a while.

But, that is different that demanding Warner hold off titles for when they can offer the IME.

People have a choice if Warner goes the Blood Diamond route. If you don't want the title without IME, then don't buy it. But, people shouldn't be demanding we all wait for features they want.

Gary

[goodstuff]

I'l gladly pick this up as I'm only interested in the movie and not extras. I wish they did the same with The Matrix though

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by Best of Both Worlds

Yeah, but the point is, that'd be fine for you, but for the average consumer, omitting those things could well have them going for the HD-DVD alternative... particularly if this becomes a trend. It could make the difference between them opting for a BD player or an HD-DVD player. There are too many parallels with the VHS/Betamax fight for those in the BD corner to be complacent on such things.

Yeah maybe the average comsumer might be like that (thats why they're buying average DVD right now) but the Blu-ray comsumer at this moment is represented by the majority of this site's membership and as you can see from all the responses in this thread the ovelwhelming majority don't care about ime doodads and want the movies now with excellent BD Picture quality, that's what's important to them. You seem to be the only one having a contrarian vouice right now, replying to what everybody else is telling you!

Interestingly enough you said this before on the previous page! :

Originally Posted by Best of Both Worlds

Well, for me image and sound quality are paramount. The interactive features are nice to have, though when these kind of features were included on DVDs, I never actually used them...

Which one is it?

In Arrakis we Fremen have a saying: Either you comb yourself or wear a perm!

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Yeah maybe the average comsumer might be like that (thats why they're buying average DVD right now) but the Blu-ray comsumer at this moment is represented by the mayority of this site's membership and as you can see from all the responses in this thread the ovelwhelming mayority don't care about ime doodads and want the movies now with excellent BD Picture quality, that's what's important to them. You seem to be the only one having a contrarian vouice right now, replying to what everybody else is telling you!

Well, it's not just me, but even if it were, I don't think I should bow to the majority opinion, just because I am in a minority (here, at least). Besides, I don't think you can even say this forum supports your opinion, since only a tiny proportion of the members here actually post regularly.

Interestingly enough you said this before on the previous page! :
Originally Posted by Best of Both Worlds
Well, for me image and sound quality are paramount. The interactive features are nice to have, though when these kind of features were included on DVDs, I never actually used them...
Which one is it?

Both. I do subscribe to the view that picture and sound quality are of paramount performance, and no, I don't always watch all of the extras on a disc, but I do like to have the full choice. I can decide to watch an extra or ignore it, but I do strongly feel that if one format offers an extensive extras package, it should be identical on the opposing format. Where it is not possible for soon-to-be-sorted technical reasons, then a delay is better than a half-hearted release. Just my opinion, of course. Not trying to rubbish anyone else's view.

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by Best of Both Worlds

I do strongly feel that if one format offers an extensive extras package, it should be identical on the opposing format. Where it is not possible for soon-to-be-sorted technical reasons, then a delay is better than a half-hearted release. Just my opinion, of course. Not trying to rubbish anyone else's view.

The thing is that the technical short comings are against HD DVD NOT BD. BD has the technical advantage.

If they did release the titles simultaneously with extras, the problem is that WE, BD owners, don't want the inferior bit rate encoding that comes with HD-DVD. We want the full bit rate available to us on a BD.

And here is where the technical advantage is ours, however, BD is limited by HD DVD given their limited storage capacity. The extras mean that WE, BD owners, get the short end of the stick because WE get stuck with the inferior HD DVD bit rate encoding.

What should happen is use the higher bit rate encoding and cut the extras out of the HD DVD so that it fits on a red disc...

Oh wait, HD DVD can't handle the higher bit rates, so the studio defaults to the LOWEST common denominator and that is the inferior HD DVD bit rate for both formats....so the technical shortcomings are on HD DVD not on BD.

That is why HD DVD must die....

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

The thing is that the technical short comings are against HD DVD NOT BD. BD has the technical advantage.

If they did release the titles simultaneously with extras, the problem is that WE, BD owners, don't want the inferior bit rate encoding that comes with HD-DVD. We want the full bit rate available to us on a BD.

And here is where the technical advantage is ours, however, BD is limited by HD DVD given their limited storage capacity. The extras mean that WE, BD owners, get the short end of the stick because WE get stuck with the inferior HD DVD bit rate encoding.

What should happen is use the higher bit rate encoding and cut the extras out of the HD DVD so that it fits on a red disc...

Oh wait, HD DVD can't handle the higher bit rates, so the studio defaults to the LOWEST common denominator and that is the inferior HD DVD bit rate for both formats....so the technical shortcomings are on HD DVD not on BD.

That is why HD DVD must die....

^^AMEN!

[KingDeezie]

Warner Brothers can die in a fire...

Everyone keeps saying that HD-DVD only has Universal as their exclusive studio, but they are wrong...

Warner is exclusively releasing only decent versions of movies on HD-DVD and totally dicking BluRay...

I was so excited the day I came home with my PS3 and my HDMI Elite reciever, drooling that someday I would have loseless audio and HD video of awesome movies like 300....

Nope....sorry, Warner is too worthless to give the BluRay faithful any serious devotion....

First they slap us with delaying of the Matrix....and then they continually offer us BluRays with horrible audio tracks...

What the hell are they wasting space for?? Warner is awful, and should get with the program....

The saddest part is that Warner is going to almost soley be the reason that HD-DVD wins this format war...

The Matrix Trilogy is going to bring this format war to the forefront and give HD-DVD a huge advantage over Bluray...

The first Matrix movie racked up the DVD sales when it was first released, and anyone that walks into a store and sees the Matrix in HD only on HD-DVD is going to be seriously interested in buying a player...

Sony needs to pull something totally outrageous to conter-act that....what that is is anyone's guess...