Say thanks to Warner Bros. for Blood Diamond

[blitz6speed]

IME, Online polls, extras. ALL WORTHLESS CRAP. Up the bitrate, put a PCM track on it, BD50 that sucker and put it on the shelf. Thats all we want warner!!!

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

IME, Online polls, extras. ALL WORTHLESS CRAP. Up the bitrate, put a PCM track on it, BD50 that sucker and put it on the shelf. Thats all we want warner!!!

Yeah, but the point is, that'd be fine for you, but for the average consumer, omitting those things could well have them going for the HD-DVD alternative... particularly if this becomes a trend. It could make the difference between them opting for a BD player or an HD-DVD player. There are too many parallels with the VHS/Betamax fight for those in the BD corner to be complacent on such things.

[dialog_gvf]

Certainly people can argue that the BDA should have finalized the spec well before now, even if that meant dedicated players wouldn't support it for a while.

But, that is different that demanding Warner hold off titles for when they can offer the IME.

People have a choice if Warner goes the Blood Diamond route. If you don't want the title without IME, then don't buy it. But, people shouldn't be demanding we all wait for features they want.

Gary

[goodstuff]

I'l gladly pick this up as I'm only interested in the movie and not extras. I wish they did the same with The Matrix though

[blublublu]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Certainly people can argue that the BDA should have finalized the spec well before now, even if that meant dedicated players wouldn't support it for a while.

But, that is different that demanding Warner hold off titles for when they can offer the IME.

People have a choice if Warner goes the Blood Diamond route. If you don't want the title without IME, then don't buy it. But, people shouldn't be demanding we all wait for features they want.

Gary

I thought BD-J was complete, hence there are no specs to complete.

The players themselves may not have implemented the 1.1 hardware profile, but that would be a different question and not a "spec" question.

See the following from an insider in the general forum:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=601

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Yeah maybe the average comsumer might be like that (thats why they're buying average DVD right now) but the Blu-ray comsumer at this moment is represented by the mayority of this site's membership and as you can see from all the responses in this thread the ovelwhelming mayority don't care about ime doodads and want the movies now with excellent BD Picture quality, that's what's important to them. You seem to be the only one having a contrarian vouice right now, replying to what everybody else is telling you!

Well, it's not just me, but even if it were, I don't think I should bow to the majority opinion, just because I am in a minority (here, at least). Besides, I don't think you can even say this forum supports your opinion, since only a tiny proportion of the members here actually post regularly.

Interestingly enough you said this before on the previous page! :
Originally Posted by Best of Both Worlds
Well, for me image and sound quality are paramount. The interactive features are nice to have, though when these kind of features were included on DVDs, I never actually used them...
Which one is it?

Both. I do subscribe to the view that picture and sound quality are of paramount performance, and no, I don't always watch all of the extras on a disc, but I do like to have the full choice. I can decide to watch an extra or ignore it, but I do strongly feel that if one format offers an extensive extras package, it should be identical on the opposing format. Where it is not possible for soon-to-be-sorted technical reasons, then a delay is better than a half-hearted release. Just my opinion, of course. Not trying to rubbish anyone else's view.

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by Best of Both Worlds

I do strongly feel that if one format offers an extensive extras package, it should be identical on the opposing format. Where it is not possible for soon-to-be-sorted technical reasons, then a delay is better than a half-hearted release. Just my opinion, of course. Not trying to rubbish anyone else's view.

The thing is that the technical short comings are against HD DVD NOT BD. BD has the technical advantage.

If they did release the titles simultaneously with extras, the problem is that WE, BD owners, don't want the inferior bit rate encoding that comes with HD-DVD. We want the full bit rate available to us on a BD.

And here is where the technical advantage is ours, however, BD is limited by HD DVD given their limited storage capacity. The extras mean that WE, BD owners, get the short end of the stick because WE get stuck with the inferior HD DVD bit rate encoding.

What should happen is use the higher bit rate encoding and cut the extras out of the HD DVD so that it fits on a red disc...

Oh wait, HD DVD can't handle the higher bit rates, so the studio defaults to the LOWEST common denominator and that is the inferior HD DVD bit rate for both formats....so the technical shortcomings are on HD DVD not on BD.

That is why HD DVD must die....

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

The thing is that the technical short comings are against HD DVD NOT BD. BD has the technical advantage.

If they did release the titles simultaneously with extras, the problem is that WE, BD owners, don't want the inferior bit rate encoding that comes with HD-DVD. We want the full bit rate available to us on a BD.

And here is where the technical advantage is ours, however, BD is limited by HD DVD given their limited storage capacity. The extras mean that WE, BD owners, get the short end of the stick because WE get stuck with the inferior HD DVD bit rate encoding.

What should happen is use the higher bit rate encoding and cut the extras out of the HD DVD so that it fits on a red disc...

Oh wait, HD DVD can't handle the higher bit rates, so the studio defaults to the LOWEST common denominator and that is the inferior HD DVD bit rate for both formats....so the technical shortcomings are on HD DVD not on BD.

That is why HD DVD must die....

^^AMEN!

[KingDeezie]

Warner Brothers can die in a fire...

Everyone keeps saying that HD-DVD only has Universal as their exclusive studio, but they are wrong...

Warner is exclusively releasing only decent versions of movies on HD-DVD and totally dicking BluRay...

I was so excited the day I came home with my PS3 and my HDMI Elite reciever, drooling that someday I would have loseless audio and HD video of awesome movies like 300....

Nope....sorry, Warner is too worthless to give the BluRay faithful any serious devotion....

First they slap us with delaying of the Matrix....and then they continually offer us BluRays with horrible audio tracks...

What the hell are they wasting space for?? Warner is awful, and should get with the program....

The saddest part is that Warner is going to almost soley be the reason that HD-DVD wins this format war...

The Matrix Trilogy is going to bring this format war to the forefront and give HD-DVD a huge advantage over Bluray...

The first Matrix movie racked up the DVD sales when it was first released, and anyone that walks into a store and sees the Matrix in HD only on HD-DVD is going to be seriously interested in buying a player...

Sony needs to pull something totally outrageous to conter-act that....what that is is anyone's guess...

[HDJK]

Originally Posted by KingDeezie

Warner Brothers can die in a fire...

Everyone keeps saying that HD-DVD only has Universal as their exclusive studio, but they are wrong...

Warner is exclusively releasing only decent versions of movies on HD-DVD and totally dicking BluRay...

I was so excited the day I came home with my PS3 and my HDMI Elite reciever, drooling that someday I would have loseless audio and HD video of awesome movies like 300....

Nope....sorry, Warner is too worthless to give the BluRay faithful any serious devotion....

First they slap us with delaying of the Matrix....and then they continually offer us BluRays with horrible audio tracks...

What the hell are they wasting space for?? Warner is awful, and should get with the program....

The saddest part is that Warner is going to almost soley be the reason that HD-DVD wins this format war...

The Matrix Trilogy is going to bring this format war to the forefront and give HD-DVD a huge advantage over Bluray...

The first Matrix movie racked up the DVD sales when it was first released, and anyone that walks into a store and sees the Matrix in HD only on HD-DVD is going to be seriously interested in buying a player...

Sony needs to pull something totally outrageous to conter-act that....what that is is anyone's guess...

It's not PCM but I wouldn't call it horrible. The Departed got a lossless track, letters is announced with one and what Blood Diamond is remains to be seen. Give them time, they will catch up

As for the counter strike:

May 22 / June 5

'nuff said

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by KingDeezie

anyone that walks into a store and sees the Matrix in HD only on HD-DVD is going to be seriously interested in buying a player...

Well I think when someone goes to a store on May and sees Casino Royale and Pirates of the Caribbean 1 and 2 while 3 is playing on movie theaters on BD only is going to be seriously interested in not buying an HD DVD player..

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by KingDeezie

The Matrix Trilogy is going to bring this format war to the forefront and give HD-DVD a huge advantage over Bluray...

The first Matrix movie racked up the DVD sales when it was first released, and anyone that walks into a store and sees the Matrix in HD only on HD-DVD is going to be seriously interested in buying a player...

Do you really think that The Matrix will make much of an effect? It's 8 years old now, and the sequels have diminished its reputation considerably. The format war will be affected much more by new big-hitter movies like Casino Royale which arrive on HD day-and-date with DVD.

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

The thing is that the technical short comings are against HD DVD NOT BD. BD has the technical advantage.

If they did release the titles simultaneously with extras, the problem is that WE, BD owners, don't want the inferior bit rate encoding that comes with HD-DVD. We want the full bit rate available to us on a BD.

And here is where the technical advantage is ours, however, BD is limited by HD DVD given their limited storage capacity. The extras mean that WE, BD owners, get the short end of the stick because WE get stuck with the inferior HD DVD bit rate encoding.

What should happen is use the higher bit rate encoding and cut the extras out of the HD DVD so that it fits on a red disc...

Oh wait, HD DVD can't handle the higher bit rates, so the studio defaults to the LOWEST common denominator and that is the inferior HD DVD bit rate for both formats....so the technical shortcomings are on HD DVD not on BD.

That is why HD DVD must die....

Talk about completely ignoring my point and going off on a tangent...

[MatrixS2000]

Originally Posted by Best of Both Worlds

Talk about completely ignoring my point and going off on a tangent...

??? Your point was that that equivalent content should be released on both formats - and that BD lacked some BD-J FEATURES.

BD-J is a FEATURE which can be added at some point (although many don't really care), not a technical advantage.

The technical advantages that BD has, like the ones I stated, cannot added afterwards - your stuck with an inferior format.

You have to look beyond today....

[Best of Both Worlds]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

??? Your point was that that equivalent content should be released on both formats - and that BD lacked some BD-J FEATURES.

BD-J is a FEATURE which can be added at some point (although many don't really care), not a technical advantage.

The technical advantages that BD has, like the ones I stated, cannot added afterwards - your stuck with an inferior format.

You have to look beyond today....

But if you read my post that you replied to, I wasn't talking about technical advantages, but about technical hold-ups (BD-J), which is why I considered your post to be ignoring my point.

As for your comment about the BD-J feature being able to be added at a later point, I'm fully aware of that, but the bottom line is that I don't think it's fair to expect people who want that functionality to double dip. Warners should have waited with this title.

[baccusboy]

Originally Posted by MatrixS2000

The thing is that the technical short comings are against HD DVD NOT BD. BD has the technical advantage.

If they did release the titles simultaneously with extras, the problem is that WE, BD owners, don't want the inferior bit rate encoding that comes with HD-DVD. We want the full bit rate available to us on a BD.

And here is where the technical advantage is ours, however, BD is limited by HD DVD given their limited storage capacity. The extras mean that WE, BD owners, get the short end of the stick because WE get stuck with the inferior HD DVD bit rate encoding.

What should happen is use the higher bit rate encoding and cut the extras out of the HD DVD so that it fits on a red disc...

Oh wait, HD DVD can't handle the higher bit rates, so the studio defaults to the LOWEST common denominator and that is the inferior HD DVD bit rate for both formats....so the technical shortcomings are on HD DVD not on BD.

That is why HD DVD must die....

I fear the same thing in terms of games for the PS3.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by blitz6speed

IME, Online polls, extras. ALL WORTHLESS CRAP. Up the bitrate, put a PCM track on it, BD50 that sucker and put it on the shelf. Thats all we want warner!!!

Hehehe! I like the way you think. Seriously, it's not that complicated.