DTS-HD MA is not as important as CC/subtitling for the deaf/hearing impaired!

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by prerich

I would love it if people would make HDTV's without speakers because all I use them for is a visual monitor anyway. Can't you activate CC through the BD itself (in the menu). Just turn the captioning on.

Some BD titles do not have English SDH subtitles, just English, which is why he's demanding for CC since CC MUST be supported. Since the PS3 also plays DVDs and DVDs have CC, enabling CC would make it a better player.

HDMI video does not carry CC signal that the HDTV can then decode whereas standard cable or broadcast signal delivered via component do. The PS3 can overcome this by reading the CC titles within the video signal and rendering it to the video before delivering it to the HDTV via HDMI.


fuad

[Caligula]

Originally Posted by Marcusarilius

Encoded on the disks...?

my wife said sometimes it is and not..

closed captioned would say exact what actor/actress say and sometimes subtitle would be exact. but she said, subtitle leaves out a lot of words that was said in movies. sometimes it wil lmake the converstation shorter.

[olitas]

One thing that I don't understand, why would you need closed-caption if you have subtitles.

[Caligula]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

Some BD titles do not have English SDH subtitles, just English, which is why he's demanding for CC since CC MUST be supported. Since the PS3 also plays DVDs and DVDs have CC, enabling CC would make it a better player.

HDMI video does not carry CC signal that the HDTV can then decode whereas standard cable or broadcast signal delivered via component do. The PS3 can overcome this by reading the CC titles within the video signal and rendering it to the video before delivering it to the HDTV via HDMI.


fuad

Thank you for pointing that out.

but, i hear that other bd standalone players able to play cc via hdmi?? is this true

[Marcusarilius]

Originally Posted by unreal1080p

I understand your desire for a Closed Captioned feature on the PS3 and it is a VERY valid point... but ragging on DTS-HD MA... a feature that the MAJORITY of PS3 Blu-Ray movie fan owners have been praying 5 times a day since November 2006 for simply is'nt the way to do it.

SONY is not a charity... it's a business... and they will release features that will benefit the MAJORITY of it's (PS3) users first and foremost prior to features with limited mass appeal. This is not saying that your desired feature is not important... far from it... but pissing off the majority of PS3 owners telling them that their desired feature is "NOT IMPORTANT" is

Ever heard of "you catch more bees with honey then vinegar?"

Perhaps you should attempt to endeer yourself to the majority of PS3 owners so they may support your cause... instead of shitting on their heads.

Food for thought.

Gone to see Montreal kick the ever loving shit out of Boston

Goodnight

This is all a tad on the harsh side. Some points made, but to insult with crazy smileys and the like? Not necessary. Ever heard of "you catch more bees with honey then vinegar?"

[Caligula]

Originally Posted by olitas

One thing that I don't understand, why would you need closed-caption if you have subtitles.

i already explained

[X-Ninja]

Originally Posted by Caligula

I can understand you hearing people rely on sound. BUT need of DTS-HD Master Audio and PS3 update for it IS NOT IMPORTANT!

There are children who are having problem with hearing, or with any kind of learning disability NEEDS Closed captioned. Sony Playstation 3 does not have that feature and I feel that DTS-HD Master Audio can wait because you already have sound PCM,lossless, DD True HD or whatever. How can children understand movies or cartoons without closed captioned watching Disney on DVD or Blu ray with C.C. (not subtitles) Closed captioned provides subtitles for Deaf and hearing impaired (SDH) feature, not all Blu-ray discs are SDH and few non SDH Blu discs have CC meaning movie wont recongize any kind of background noise or whoever speaking in different language.

Not only for children, there are various age people watching movies with their ps3. Also, not many people have receivers, speakers or any kind of equipment that support / use DTS-HD Master Audio. Why? Maybe they can’t hear or have hearing problem and need understanding with Closed Captioned.
I mean, PS3 cost a lot money and they don’t have C.C and why didn’t they add that feature for ps3? Playstation 2 does play CC with any dvd. Why?

People would not buy HDTV(s) if it doesn’t have speakers and they would demand for the company to make a TV with speakers. What about us, who can’t hear or understand movies without Closed Captioned? THIS IS DISCRIMINATION! I have nothing against DTS-HD MA, but this is not fair they receive update for it. I am happy for you guys to have it but not all people are happy with next update.

lol

um... To be simple - more people want DTS-HD (Including myself) then people who want Closed Captions. In all honesty, I diddnt even know there was a difference between subtitles and closed captions until reading this thread - and even still... the difference is minimal.

This thread is retarded in my opinion... To complain about a free feature that makes the sound better (simply because there are deaf people....... ) is a bit on the retarded side...

[prerich]

Originally Posted by Caligula

subtitles on bd is not Closed captioned.. get this guys.. subtitles and closed captioned are different!!

similar but different..

Hey, I just discovered this. And I see what you are talking about. I don't own a ps3 (I'm an HTPC person). My HTPC does CC on Ratatouilie (i.e. - man speaking in french accent - People say the best food is made in France). I see what you mean. If the PS3 can't do this - they need to correct it.

[Caligula]

Originally Posted by bajor27

Thanks for the explanation. That's what I thought the difference was, but I wasn't 100% sure.

I still don't think I've seen that many titles (DVD or Blu) that say they are closed captioned, but I don't really ever pay attention to that stuff. I'll be sure to take a look at my collection next chance I get.

depending on what year dvd was made, about 70% dvd have cc feature.. not all time, VHS usually have that box icon and dvd uses either..


I pay attention to it all the time becuz i REQUIRE IT! same as you with your sounds

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by X-Ninja

lol

I bet if you have friends and families who are deaf, you wouldn't "lol".

I think this feature will make the PS3 an even stronger product than before so logically I support this even though I don't need it now. United we stand, people.


fuad

[doctorsteve]

Let's agree - it's ALL important.

Best quality Picture.
Best quality Sound.

Assisting those that can't hear great, sure - it's important too. I look forward to the day that the function is there for those that need it. As Slec pointed out - we are in the early stages. Common sense says - cater to the early adopters, cater to the masses, enhance as able. Most early adopters aren't jumping for joy over the arrival of crystal clear captions, the masses will not jump on board because they can read a bunch of words in the middle of those damn black bars, so - unfortunately - CC is not at the top of developers list.

Give it time bruthaman, give it time. In the mean time - if you'd like to start a petition (oh GOD - did I just say that?) I'll sign it. If you like to give us addresses to send emails to developers - I'll send one.

But I MUST disagree when you say the best quality sound is not important. Showcasing "Master-Perfect" sound will gather many more bees to the hive than offering CC. It's just business, yo.

Cheers - keep fightin' the good fight - Doc.

[Caligula]

EXACTLY!! THANK YOU!! EXACTLY!!!

Originally Posted by prerich

Hey, I just discovered this. And I see what you are talking about. I don't own a ps3 (I'm an HTPC person). My HTPC does CC on Ratatouilie (i.e. - man speaking in french accent - People say the best food is made in France). I see what you mean. If the PS3 can't do this - they need to correct it.

[T-Town Oil]

maybe DTS HD MA is important for someone who is blind? ever thought of that?

[Caligula]

Originally Posted by T-Town Oil

maybe DTS HD MA is important for someone who is blind? ever thought of that?

but you already have sounds without dts hd ma and blind people will able to hear a lot in the movie with the background noises.. there are many other options that you can use with sounds and no other option for people with disability

[Slec]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

I bet if you have friends and families who are deaf, you wouldn't "lol".

I think this feature will make the PS3 an even stronger product than before so logically I support this even though I don't need it now. United we stand, people.


fuad

here here...

Caligula, I was serious before. You and Blindcat87 should get together, maybe start a thread (with a more appropriate title) and brainstorm some ideas. Might bring some others in with thoughts on the subject. Then see if you can get the insiders to pass along.. I know Blindcat has some thoughts on how this stuff should be done...

[Caligula]

im sorry to say this, i think the title is appropriate. this is how deaf people would feel if no updates and updates with cc feature.
we would say samething and demand in order for any sony insider here to recongize even with the title.. no offensive for anyone but spoke truth here how i feel about updates after updates without CC

if tv has no sound at all, all updates were subtitles related and you would post " Subtitles not important" and demand for sounds!!

Originally Posted by Slec

here here...

Caligula, I was serious before. You and Blindcat87 should get together, maybe start a thread (with a more appropriate title) and brainstorm some ideas. Might bring some others in with thoughts on the subject. Then see if you can get the insiders to pass along.. I know Blindcat has some thoughts on how this stuff should be done...

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Caligula

What about us, who can’t hear or understand movies without Closed Captioned? THIS IS DISCRIMINATION! I have nothing against DTS-HD MA, but this is not fair they receive update for it. I am happy for you guys to have it but not all people are happy with next update.

I invent X. Unless X is immediately fully featured to every person with challenges, I'm being discriminatory?

I am 100% behind you pushing for better CC handling. 100%. But, please don't condemn us all for wanting the best video and audio out of a videophile/audiophile format.

Gary

[Caligula]

in that sentence, i said i m happy for ya all with ur update..

i didnt condemn but stating that other feature is important for children or whoever doesnt need dts hd ma in order to understand movies which you already have enough updates related to sound.. its our turn! dont u agree?


my son is deaf and not all disney movies are blu. and i cant play dvd without cc, which pissed me off. thats the main why i posted te original post

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

I invent X. Unless X is immediately fully featured to every person with challenges, I'm being discriminatory?

I am 100% behind you pushing for better CC handling. 100%. But, please don't condemn us all for wanting the best video and audio out of a videophile/audiophile format.

Gary

[coolmilo]

I still don't get the point of this thread. DTS-HD MA is important because that is the only way you get lossless audio from some studios (Fox). Adding DTS-HD MA to PS3 makes it the best Blu-ray player on the market at the moment.

Close Caption is probably important too. But it should be in addition to and not a replacement for DTS-HD MA. My guess is DTS-HD MA is a little more important at the moment because more people will benefit from it and it could help grow the Blu-ray market.

When the time is right, add CC to the PS3 as well.

All in all, I think the Sony is doing a great job with PS3, I may buy one soon.

[Slec]

Originally Posted by Caligula

im sorry to say this, i think the title is appropriate. this is how deaf people would feel if no updates and updates with cc feature.
we would say samething and demand in order for any sony insider here to recongize even with the title.. no offensive for anyone but spoke truth here how i feel about updates after updates without CC

With the current title there will be a great deal of back and forth about HDMA and why it was given... A thread that concentrates on what you want in a clear and concise manner will go much further than a bitter sounding one such as this. I realize this title has brought a lot of people into it...but how productive has it really been to solve your needs?

Something like
"Improve the PS3 for Deaf, blind and Hard of hearing submissions"

If you want to be heard, you need to present your requests in a manner that will garner respect. Not one that bashes an improvement/milestone for the PS3 developers. I would assist in any way i could to get these functions into the PS3... I'm just trying to help get this whole thing in a different light.