Pirates 1 & 2 - Black Bars??

[kknight]

black bars annoyed me a lot when I had a fullscreen TV, after buying widescreen half the movies uses the full widescreen without the black bars so it wasn't so bad anymore. but at 32", the picture was a bit small at times so after upgrading to 40", everything looks just right even with the black bars I believe there's LCDs out there that actually has wider widescreen viewing but then that would mean black bars on the left and right on movies that aren't full widescreen.

[ra1024]

Originally Posted by miked924

I think it's hilarious when I read people think they are getting jipped cause the movie doesn't fill the whole screen. Maybe you should've got a few lessons before you went to the big leagues and got an hdtv and a blu ray player. Stores should test people on what they're buying since more than half have no clue...if they pass they can buy it!

We don't need these kind of comments here. We're mostly adults here and you can present your opinion in a responsible manner. Btw, there is a basis for people to feel "jipped" because an OAR film is not using the full resolution of their equipment. People buy HD equipment for the increased detail it offers. 2.35 films in OAR do not make full use of the detail available and people have in essence paid for resolution that's going to waste. That being said, I totally understand people who want to see the film the way the director intended and don't feel they're being foolish in the least. It's simply their preference just as those of us who would prefer more detail/larger picture over the OAR version.

[Scorxpion]

Originally Posted by kknight

black bars annoyed me a lot when I had a fullscreen TV, after buying widescreen half the movies uses the full widescreen without the black bars so it wasn't so bad anymore. but at 32", the picture was a bit small at times so after upgrading to 40", everything looks just right even with the black bars I believe there's LCDs out there that actually has wider widescreen viewing but then that would mean black bars on the left and right on movies that aren't full widescreen.

Correct after i bought my LCD screen which is XBR Bravia i enjoy BD viewing even for some black bars on 2.35.1 aspect ratio.just for Some friends who is asking about Black bars check you LCD TV widemode is set to FULL.

ENJOY YOUR BD experience.

[gand41f]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

I will say this again... I think all TV's should be freaken 2.35:1.

Won't that make them easier to topple?

just kidding
gandalf

[Garconis]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

I am kinda upset, more disappointed than anything. Got my POTC 1 and 2 in today and popped in number 1 and to my shock, I have black bars. I was expecting the movie to fill the screen.

Is this normal?

BEFORE ANYONE SAYS IT - I READ THE STICKY!

However, on the back of pirates it says - 2.35:1

What I don't understand is, Night At The Museum is ALSO 2.35:1 and it filled the entire screen.

What am I missing?

HELP!

DISAPPOINTED, that it is in OAR? I HATE when they make it 16x9 ratio, just to fill the screen, when thats NOT how it should be. I also hate how most of the movie companies are detailing their aspect ratios on the back of the cases. They say: 16x9...but then they say the aspect ratio. STOP SAYING 16x9 on the cases! It's Blu-ray, of course it's going to be for 16x9 (1080p) TVs. Just let us know the actual aspect ratio of the displayed image!

[Garconis]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

When I was Video "dumb" still sorta am - I thought widscreen tv + widscreen movie = no black bars.

I was wrong. So I mostly bought Fullscreen movies for the longest time. I have grown out of that and buy ONLY Widescreen movies up until a few days ago. Now I buy BD.

Anyway, why can't they just make it so the movie fills the ENTIRE screen and I don't feel like I just spent all this money only to have 1/4 of my screen NOT USED. I just feel jipped kinda.


However, I don't have a problem with the bars at all. I like my entire picture on the screen.

Then go get a PlayStation 3 and games for it. Those are full 1080p vertical. Or just get HD programming for your TV, to watch TV shows in. MOVIES should always be displayed the way the artist intended.

Thats like buying a work of art from a gallery, and then chopping off the sides so that it fits in the frame that you bought a day earlier.

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by Garconis

Then go get a PlayStation 3 and games for it. Those are full 1080p vertical. Or just get HD programming for your TV, to watch TV shows in. MOVIES should always be displayed the way the artist intended.

Thats like buying a work of art from a gallery, and then chopping off the sides so that it fits in the frame that you bought a day earlier.

I do have a PS3. And your analogy regarding art work - it's not the same.

I am not going to argue over this as there is nothing that can be done, however I will ask this question - why make tv's and movies that don't "mesh" well with each other? Would it not be better to have a movie that is presented as the director or whoever is shooting it would have and a tv that displays that image filling the entire screen instead of wasting some of it?

Forgive me, but are we not aiming for standards?

[kknight]

Originally Posted by Garconis

DISAPPOINTED, that it is in OAR? I HATE when they make it 16x9 ratio, just to fill the screen, when thats NOT how it should be. I also hate how most of the movie companies are detailing their aspect ratios on the back of the cases. They say: 16x9...but then they say the aspect ratio. STOP SAYING 16x9 on the cases! It's Blu-ray, of course it's going to be for 16x9 (1080p) TVs. Just let us know the actual aspect ratio of the displayed image!

instead of using numbers, maybe pictures instead. like 2.35:1 shows a picture with bars at the top and bottom and 1.85:1 shows a picture with the full movie. that would be more user friendly

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by kknight

instead of using numbers, maybe pictures instead. like 2.35:1 shows a picture with bars at the top and bottom and 1.85:1 shows a picture with the full movie. that would be more user friendly

Yup.

[ra1024]

Originally Posted by Garconis

Thats like buying a work of art from a gallery, and then chopping off the sides so that it fits in the frame that you bought a day earlier.

That's not correct. OAR gives you less size and resolution than non OAR and that's why there are those of us who would rather sacrifice some of the edges to get the same size and detail as a 1.85 movie.

[easyrider]

Originally Posted by kiddtigger

I'll be honest, I didn't use to like bars on 2.35 movies when I had a 36" 4:3 television. You could barely see the movie, but once I got my 50" pioneer, nothing but the OAR will do.

I love black bars giving me a perfect OAR.
It reminds me that I am watching a film, not just TV

[Deciazulado]

Anamorphic projection hasn't been 2.35 since the 70's .. So your movies might be even wider than that.

People have been watching movies with black letterbox bars in theaters since 1952 and NOBODY complains on theaters. I really don't understand why when people watch it on a miniature TV they keep complaining. Image too small? Buy a bigger TV. Not enough money? Sit closer. Still not good enough? Buy the VHS. It's in fullscreen.

[miked924]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Anamorphic projection hasn't been 2.35 since the 70's .. So your movies might be even wider than that.

People have been watching movies with black letterbox bars in theaters since 1952 and NOBODY complains on theaters. I really don't understand why when people watch it on a miniature TV they keep complaining. Image too small? Buy a bigger TV. Not enough money? Sit closer. Still not good enough? Buy the VHS. It's in fullscreen.

I agree....I have no complaints about the image here at all. I love the picture however it looks, it's framed artwork. I loved 2.39 even on a 4:3 tv, now it's even slimer on 16:9. People not getting there money's worth on their resolution?? Give me a break

[TallCoolOne]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

I will ask this question - why make tv's and movies that don't "mesh" well with each other? Would it not be better to have a movie that is presented as the director or whoever is shooting it would have and a tv that displays that image filling the entire screen instead of wasting some of it?

well they could make tv's that mesh well with different aspect ratio movies, but then would you buy a separate tv for your TV shows in SD (4:3), a separate one for 16:9 letterbox stuff, and a separate one for your 2.40:1?? wouldn't it just make more sense to buy one larger one that can display them all? hmm...

[DrinkMore]

OK OK! The last 11 billion posts made the point. I got it. Thanks for posting.

[Garconis]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

I do have a PS3. And your analogy regarding art work - it's not the same.

I am not going to argue over this as there is nothing that can be done, however I will ask this question - why make tv's and movies that don't "mesh" well with each other? Would it not be better to have a movie that is presented as the director or whoever is shooting it would have and a tv that displays that image filling the entire screen instead of wasting some of it?

Forgive me, but are we not aiming for standards?

But all movies are open to the director's (or whoever decides it) choice of aspect ratio. Some directors might want to make a standard 16:9 movie, while another one might want to even make a 4:3 one (like Borat was); even though most TVs are now 16:9. A director shouldn't HAVE to make a film in 16:9 just because that happens to be the ratio of most TVs - especially when the film was never really made for the TV anyways.

[Garconis]

Originally Posted by ra1024

That's not correct. OAR gives you less size and resolution than non OAR and that's why there are those of us who would rather sacrifice some of the edges to get the same size and detail as a 1.85 movie.

But you would be sacrificing some information that the director intended you to see throughout the movie. Sure, it probably isn't important information, thats why they have guys that specifically choose what part of the scene to cut out - but stil...

I'm an artist (yes, with a 4 year degree) so thats probably why I consider each frame to be a work of art, and wouldn't want to get rid of any of the artists vision for the film.

[shido]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

Thank you. I have seen what is clipped off on the edges and can live without it.

At least, give me a setting to enable or disable it.

Can't you just zoom in then?

[Rustmonsteru]

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

I will say this again... I think all TV's should be freaken 2.35:1. I'd much rather have black bars on the side and have the picture be smaller for 1.85 images than 2.35 images. Not that I mind black bars at all on 2.35 movies, it just feels wrong to have movies feel like they're supposed to be much larger than flat ones.

1.85 is a happy middle ground for tv ratio.
Can you imagine a 2.35 tv watching an old 1.33 film like Seven Samurai?
Then you'd have some crazy big pillarboxing.

[blushiz]

I DISPISE widescreen cut offs AND sidebars.

Why?

You bought a good sized TV and you want to use it, why only use a small portion in the center of the damn tv? It's such a waste. Widescreen helps the picture become widescreen format but if your TV is already widescreen then why do you need it? You just squish the picture more and more until you have 2 inches of tv frame around the picture and about 10 inches on all sides boxing the image in the center of the screen.

Pretty soon your 72" becomes a 50".

Who wouldn't be a little upset?