Toshiba upset with Blu-ray questions.

[ajc68]

I can't imagine this upscale player doing any better than my Blu-ray player already does.

And what are customers going to think when shopping during the holidays and they see a BD player for $199, and an upconvert player for a similar price. Why on earth would they spend nearly the same for a player that only plays DVD's, something they already have, when they can get a BD player that does both?

Toshiba is going to fail miserably with this one, and it’s so blatantly obvious. If the way the press reacted to their demonstration doesn't send up a red flag, there’s no hope left for them.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by Blu-dock Saint

It'd be nice to see a Blu comparison thrown up with those pics

*throws this thread around: Blu-ray Screenshot Thread (Large Files)

[RustyK94]

Originally Posted by Lou-Cipher

This article cracks me up The media asking questions that toshiba dont like to answer. Dont miss the second part of the article. http://techdigest.tv/2008/06/toshiba_controv.html

Tosh have a new blu-ray killer im scared

Seriously if they had the tec to make dvd as good a true HD source then why did they even bother with HD-DVD and costing there company 100's of millions of dollars on a failed format.

I hope tosh go bankrupt and save them self the embarrassment.

[Neo65]

Toshiba still has to go though panasonic, sony, sharp, hitachi, samsung, lg and just about every known maker of CE. The criteria for any new technology to be adopted in these companies is pretty tough, not to mention the engineers are going to laugh and make fun of the 'super-upscaler' privately before they even show up for the meeting.

My bet is other than direct toshiba affilates, noone will license this technology --- at this point no major CE maker wants to pay even 10c for better DVD playback, they're not making a profit on their existing dvd player lineup, and have moved on to the next format.

The world hasn't changed since Toshiba gave up on HD DVD, and it seems that the same HD DVD group in Toshiba hasn't either.

Slow news day.

[HDJK]

I really liked the comment from the fake amir:

'I supported HD DVD pushing fud for Microsoft for over a year.
My loyal followers will once again hop on the micro train and we will defeat Blu-ray.
Deadmeat,You are in charge for now.Push as much SUC fud needed..We will be victories!'

[mattym]

so just to clarify this then....HDDVD zealots who spent months spanking their monkeys on the premise that HDDVD have better picture quality than BD are now preparing the baby oil to tell us that SUC is as good as BD, which wasnt as good as HDDVD?

[badboi]

Originally Posted by Blu-dock Saint

It'd be nice to see a Blu comparison thrown up with those pics

Forget the Blu comparison. I'd like to see this Super SUC technology compared to the cheapest Oppo available. My money would be on the Oppo.

And Deadmeat. For some reason when I hear "Deadmeat" I think of those Viagra commercials.

[tron3]

Originally Posted by Blu-dock Saint

To counteract this "brilliant" idea I have recently pefected the super duper upconversion VHS player, now to remove errors from the tape on your old VHS's for clarity unmatched.

Pay pal sent!

...the representatives, including Emily Shirley, Head of Product Marketing at Toshiba Europe were obviously getting irate. "Blu-ray is only a storage medium", they retorted, ...

So what the heck is DVD? Or HD DVD for that matter. How about CD? Oh, and vynil records? Oh hey, here is an idea. Let's delete every other bit from our hard drives because storage devices simply don't deserve any respect. Then we can use SUC to fill in those missing bits and still have pretty reliable data.

From the tone of the article it is clear the press is against Toshiba. They are going to start losing a lot of media respect, as well as public support if they keep focusing their energies and money on "pay back" business stratagies.

Toshiba, you are a day late and a dollar short! However I see a real future for SUC technology. INSIDE BLU-RAY PLAYERS!

[david2189]

have tosiba lost the plot or something!!

[HDJK]

Originally Posted by david2189

have tosiba lost the plot or something!!

Apparently they have lost their 'h'

[wisper9999]

I am trying to see tosiba's point...but I can't get my head that far up my ass.

[Elvis Is Alive]

Exactly how many retailers are going to want to stock DVD players that SUC after being burned by HD-DVD? What kind of market is there for an overpriced DVD upconverter? Toshiba is going to ruin an already tarnished reputation with the retailers.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by Sling

LMAO
Deadmeat still in action....Toshiba must pay him for his bullSh"" posting habits

He (it?) has always been rabidly anti-Sony. If it is not Sony, you can be sure he's somewhere pushing it.

At some point it will get to the point people automatically oppose anything he supports (like his racist and anti-semitic crap).

Gary

[MOONPHASE]

Originally Posted by wisper9999

I am trying to see tosiba's point...but I can't get my head that far up my ass.

hey it takes a lot of stupidity to put your own head in your ass but i think Toshiba have got their heads stuck there and everything they do seems to make it go deeper and deeper inside

[JTK]

So what?

That really should just about everyone's response to Toshiba at this point. They've completely rendered themselves irrelevant. I really don't care if they ever support BD at all. It's their loss.

Frankly, who is going to deliberately choose to buy a Toshiba product anyways if they see comparably priced products from Sony, Samsung, Panasonic and the like anyways?

Screw 'em. They can rot.

The more I think about it, the more I like this idea of Disney and SPE pulling out of DVD entirely and really making these guys sweat and giving BD adoption a nice kick in the ass, to boot.

The hell with Toshiba.

[Thegide]

So explain to me this...

A customer is in an electronics store faced with two decisions: a SUC player or a Blu-ray player. A SUC player plays DVDs, while the Blu-ray player plays Blu-rays. I would assume most people in this position have figured out that Blu-ray is HD and that DVD is not. Therefore, to the average person, a SUC player is still just a DVD player. I think the idea of "upconverting" is still poorly understood by most people. Having a totally new product (Blu) that supports HD is very clear that it's superior to regular DVD.

I think a lot of people acquire upscaling players to replace their dead regular DVD players, by mere accident. It's not something they fully understand the benefits - it just sounds good so they buy it. But they aren't likely to buy if their existing player works just fine...

But the SUC players are likely to be on par with entry Blu-ray prices by the time this tech hits the market (if it ever does). So now Joe average is in the store looking at DVD players and Blu-ray players at the same price. He has an HDTV, so which is he going to go for? The overpriced DVD player or the HD player that plays both his DVDs and Blu-ray?

[tron3]

Originally Posted by JTK

...

The more I think about it, the more I like this idea of Disney and SPE pulling out of DVD entirely and really making these guys sweat and giving BD adoption a nice kick in the ass, to boot.

The hell with Toshiba.

Oh, how delightfully evil. <SUC's back spittle>

Think about it. When Disney went BD exclusive, a few BD supporters scoffed saying "Big deal, it's only Disney. We need Warner!". I pointed out that the world is filled with families. Families buy Disney. Heck, even single people buy Disney. EVERYONE buys Disney. Everyone quickly agreed and saw the light.

So yes, Disney dropping DVD would certainly be a kick in Toshiba's chops and start the Dominoe effect. But I don't see them doing that until BD players hit the retail sweet spot where everyone starts buying them. I'm hoping by the end of 2010.

[Bourne1]

Oh that DeadMeat guy is hilarious; so pathetic and delusional...

[Ectoplasm]

Originally Posted by Monkey

A still picture is worthless to compare. Only baby Damien knows what artifacts will be introduced using this technology.

Your forgot these: http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...14/dg96_13.jpg
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...14/dg96_12.jpg
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...14/dg96_15.jpg
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...14/dg96_16.jpg

[JTK]

Originally Posted by tron3

Oh, how delightfully evil. <SUC's back spittle>

Think about it. When Disney went BD exclusive, a few BD supporters scoffed saying "Big deal, it's only Disney. We need Warner!". I pointed out that the world is filled with families. Families buy Disney. Heck, even single people buy Disney. EVERYONE buys Disney. Everyone quickly agreed and saw the light.

So yes, Disney dropping DVD would certainly be a kick in Toshiba's chops and start the Dominoe effect. But I don't see them doing that until BD players hit the retail sweet spot where everyone starts buying them. I'm hoping by the end of 2010.

On the heels of that: I don't care if Toshiba ever supports Blu-Ray or not.

In fact, I'm hoping they don't ever bother. They'll be doing everyone a favor.