Jurassic Park Collection 4K UHD (1993-2015)

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by VickPS

The Mummy master looks reaally good for Universal standars, Caps-a-holic comparison really surprised me. But Returns is not as good.

Mummy is probably still my #1 35mm remaster on UHD, despite all of the amazingness that Sony has produced. Why? Because it came from Uni-****ing-versal of all places and I'm still astounded by how good it looks. Returns is not as good a transfer as that BUT it is still a materially different effort to the Blu-ray transfer (framing & geometry are clearly not the same) and it still pisses over the Blu-ray from a very great height.

OMG, so i would actually love them even more for that!
Even more hyped now.

I was gonna put in a bit of snark about you'd loooove that but I couldn't work it in, you've done my job for me. Whether you're taking the piss or not, when movies already have excellent black levels like Apollo 13 then having it crushed down even more (causing posterisation where the midtones are swallowed up and just transition straight to black) looks all kinds of wrong to me. YMMV, ya filthy animal.

Originally Posted by s_har

And now that those Universal released titles directed by Stephen Sommers are mentioned may I just add how awesome I think the Van Helsing UHD looks?

Eh, it's got a fair bit of crush in the blacks over and above the already very dark Blu-ray, however it's got enough expansion in the highlights that the image escapes looking as plugged up as E.T. or Straight Outta Compton do in HDR.

[s_har]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Eh, it's got a fair bit of crush in the blacks over and above the already very dark Blu-ray, however it's got enough expansion in the highlights that the image escapes looking as plugged up as E.T. or Straight Outta Compton do in HDR.

Yeah compared to the BD it's darker than the darkest parts of hell for sure. Watching the BD literally feels like entering the gates of heaven in comparison. I think you'll just have to go batshit crazy with the settings to compensate though. Of course then all the lighting effects in Castle Frankenstein will leave you permanently blinded, but that's a reasonable sacrifice no?

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by VickPS

[Show spoiler]

Apparently Frodo is more for spitting than swallowing.

Ahem.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The Mummy looks awesome. Even Riddhi - yes, Riddhi - seems to like what he's seen of it via our pics and comments, so what does that tell you?

Personally I think Universal have dropped the ball (or at least fumbled it) with several HDR regrades since then so I'm 50/50 on how the Jurassic Parks will turn out in UHD.

If they've got to **** one up to do the rest right, then I'll happily let JPIII be the sacrificial lamb goat.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

If they've got to **** one up to do the rest right, then I'll happily let JPIII be the sacrificial lamb goat.

To be absolutely honest, as long as JP1 is a slam-dunk home-run [insert further sports metaphor] then the others can swivel.

[brainofj72]

I like TLW almost as much as JP1.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

[Show spoiler]

To be absolutely honest, as long as JP1 is a slam-dunk home-run [insert further sports metaphor] then the others can swivel.

I figured that'd be how you'd feel about it, since you've been quite clear on only having any real fondness/appreciation for the original.

I'll admit, while it's my least favorite by far, I of course would still like to see JPIII be done justice PQ-wise this time around. It's looked awful on home video so far, and I've found that my appreciation for even mediocre films can grow when viewed via a stunning (or at least "good"!) remaster/restoration.

[Geoff D]

I think 3 and 4 are diverting enough entertainments while I've got some real problems with Lost World as you well know. I wouldn't say no to a properly handled suite of all four but if they MUST get one absolutely spot-on while the others are saddled with mediocrity then it's got to be the first one. It just does.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I think 3 and 4 are diverting enough entertainments while I've got some real problems with Lost World as you well know. I wouldn't say no to a properly handled suite of all four but if they MUST get one absolutely spot-on while the others are saddled with mediocrity then it's got to be the first one. It just does.

And I think that's the last one we should worry about! The original is simply on another level far as filmmaking quality and overall stature goes. We all know that. I think if Universal are going to give one of the original three extra effort, it'll be JP. I'm more worried about TLW and JPIII, precisely because there's less incentive for them to care.

[Waboman]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The Mummy looks awesome.

So you're saying I need to upgrade my Mummy's?🤔

[mzupeman]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

To be absolutely honest, as long as JP1 is a slam-dunk home-run [insert further sports metaphor] then the others can swivel.

Same. Honestly, I'm half considering really just either going for the Best Buy steelbook, but I'm scared it'll have stacked discs like the Men In Black Trilogy. I'm also considering ordering single releases from the UK, but I'm also concerned about text on screen being replaced by generic text, much like what happened with the location bits in The Mummy. *bites nails*

[VickPS]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Mummy is probably still my #1 35mm remaster on UHD, despite all of the amazingness that Sony has produced. Why? Because it came from Uni-****ing-versal of all places and I'm still astounded by how good it looks.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Returns is not as good a transfer as that BUT it is still a materially different effort to the Blu-ray transfer (framing & geometry are clearly not the same) and it still pisses over the Blu-ray from a very great height.

For sure it pisses all over the BD, except for maybe color grading, but could still look way better. At least from those pics.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Whether you're taking the piss or not, when movies already have excellent black levels like Apollo 13 then having it crushed down even more (causing posterisation where the midtones are swallowed up and just transition straight to black) looks all kinds of wrong to me. YMMV, ya filthy animal.

Apollo 13 remastered demands a 2.2 to look filmic on all panels i've tested, it's a bit borderline of a transfer as whites and blacks are already pushed to max.

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

I'll admit, while it's my least favorite by far, I of course would still like to see JPIII be done justice PQ-wise this time around. It's looked awful on home video so far, and I've found that my appreciation for even mediocre films can grow when viewed via a stunning (or at least "good"!) remaster/restoration.

Totally agree.

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

I'm more worried about TLW and JPIII, precisely because there's less incentive for them to care.

Well at least TLW is a Spielberg movie. Should be privileged in some way.

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

The bottom image (from an actual theatrical film print) -



can in no way look like this pile of blue coprolite (in film projection)-

Quickly worked on a middle ground on pixlr online editor, but turned out not so good. Too boosted around 70IRE and colorwise looks a bit weird, though the monitor i'm using is not calibrated at all and it's pretty hard to push compressed BD sourced pictures..

[bluescholar]

^Eh. Looks better than either of the other ones to my eyes.

[guachi]

The way the light is coming from the right side of the screen and the yellow look of the image would be appropriate for a late afternoon before sunset during the "Golden Hour", though I still don't like it.

The blu ray image, while better looking at first, has unrealistic lighting because, as described above, the light is clearly coming from the right, as the shadows indicate, but the image makes no sense as there are no highlights worth a darn. It's like the light is coming from nowhere and the white balance was "corrected" even if the image should probably be more yellow (because of time of day, not because of color timing choices)

In the 20 minute video linked above on the before and after of IL effects there's a scene with Jeff Goldblum and two other actors in a tower or something filmed in front of a blue screen. There's light that's on that is really bright and contrasty in the original image but the adjusted image film erases most of the highlights. Goldblum turns the light off in the scene so you really see how much light and constrast it's adding to the scene. It's like the light isn't actually casting any light in the adjusted version. It'd be a great place to show off HDR and make it far more natural, regardless of any color timing issues.

[Riddhi2011]

Originally Posted by guachi

The way the light is coming from the right side of the screen and the yellow look of the image would be appropriate for a late afternoon before sunset during the "Golden Hour", though I still don't like it.

The blu ray image, while better looking at first, has unrealistic lighting because, as described above, the light is clearly coming from the right, as the shadows indicate, but the image makes no sense as there are no highlights worth a darn. It's like the light is coming from nowhere and the white balance was "corrected" even if the image should probably be more yellow (because of time of day, not because of color timing choices)

In the 20 minute video linked above on the before and after of IL effects there's a scene with Jeff Goldblum and two other actors in a tower or something filmed in front of a blue screen. There's light that's on that is really bright and contrasty in the original image but the adjusted image film erases most of the highlights. Goldblum turns the light off in the scene so you really see how much light and constrast it's adding to the scene. It's like the light isn't actually casting any light in the adjusted version. It'd be a great place to show off HDR and make it far more natural, regardless of any color timing issues.

You spoke my mind! Thank you!

The last scene in JP2 always feels like an afternoon one when the sun is going down and the animals are returning to their nests/dens after foraging for food throughout the day (just like modern wild animals do). If so, the light should be yellow-ish, not blue, like in the Blu-ray disc.

Originally Posted by VickPS

Quickly worked on a middle ground on pixlr online editor, but turned out not so good. Too boosted around 70IRE and colorwise looks a bit weird, though the monitor i'm using is not calibrated at all and it's pretty hard to push compressed BD sourced pictures..

Eh, the shot now looks like morning, around 10 am. It's too bright and looks unnatural/processed. Also, the sun is obviously on the upper right corner of the frame, hence the shadows. But in your tweaked pic, there is no shadow (look at the Rex's head). So, the sun's position is made unclear from your altered pic.

I appreciate your effort, don't misunderstand me. But the golden hour yellow-ish afternoon haze feels about right considering the effect of the scene which feels like the day is about to end and the sun is preparing to set. The animals are returning home. Even thematically it makes sense, as the animals WERE RETURNED to their HOME and John Hammond ensured that now they would be protected; which 'Fallen Kingdom' is crapping all over by having the DPG declare that the Sorna animals are dead and John Hammond's dying wish wasn't respected at all.

Also, if possible, try setting your monitor's colour temperature to 6500 Kelvin (K). That will give you a proper starting base.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

The last scene in JP2 always feels like an afternoon one when the sun is going down and the animals are returning to their nests/dens after foraging for food throughout the day (just like modern wild animals do). If so, the light should be yellow-ish, not blue, like in the Blu-ray disc.

Probably. I do think overall though that these should be between the warm and cool pics people compare. I think both look extreme and a mid-point is needed.

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by guachi

The way the light is coming from the right side of the screen and the yellow look of the image would be appropriate for a late afternoon before sunset during the "Golden Hour", though I still don't like it.

The blu ray image, while better looking at first, has unrealistic lighting because, as described above, the light is clearly coming from the right, as the shadows indicate, but the image makes no sense as there are no highlights worth a darn. It's like the light is coming from nowhere and the white balance was "corrected" even if the image should probably be more yellow (because of time of day, not because of color timing choices)

In the 20 minute video linked above on the before and after of IL effects there's a scene with Jeff Goldblum and two other actors in a tower or something filmed in front of a blue screen. There's light that's on that is really bright and contrasty in the original image but the adjusted image film erases most of the highlights. Goldblum turns the light off in the scene so you really see how much light and constrast it's adding to the scene. It's like the light isn't actually casting any light in the adjusted version. It'd be a great place to show off HDR and make it far more natural, regardless of any color timing issues.

And the only problem with this (and comparing a blu-ray image to a piece of film, which has it's own set of problems and inaccuracies) is that film prints ALWAYS tend to be higher contrast than they should be. Look at any blu struck form a film print, and you find the baked in contrast is overdone compared to the negative, partially because of how the light needs to travel through the film rot project the image. It doesn't mean the projected image will have exactly the same contrast, but it's one reason (among several) why you can't compare a film "scan" to how something looks on a home TV.

The contrast on that film still looks both terrible and inaccurate. If that were on blu, everyone would be screaming that blacks are crushed (they are). Not saying the blu looks correct, but the actual image should probably be somewhere in between.

[Fat Phil]

Hmm. Seems the UK is getting a trilogy boxset not a four film collection like other territories. I wonder what the reasoning behind that is?

[Riddhi2011]

I'm not saying the contrast should crush the blacks on home video. No! I'm saying it should lean towards the warmer look than the colder blue-ish look of the 2D BD; considering the time of the scene, which looks like afternoon. Afternoons typically have a warm golden glow and a yellow colour.

Perhaps Universal Home Video department will surprise me with a master that looks as gorgeous, lovely and filmic like The Mummy 1. And I expect that treatment for ALL THE 3 FILMS, not just JP1.

[Bates_Motel]

Originally Posted by Riddhi2011

I'm not saying the contrast should crush the blacks on home video. No! I'm saying it should lean towards the warmer look than the colder Blue-ish look of the 2D BD; considering the time of the scene, which looks like afternoon. Afternoons typically have a warm golden glow and a yellow colour.

And again, movies aren't real life, so whatever it looks like in reality doesn't mean that's how it should look in a film. Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying in general.

And only magic hour (the hour before sunset) have a "golden" glow to them. In fact, what most people probably don't know is that shadows have a blue tint on film, which is why color balance for shadows is around 7000K (as opposed to regular daylight balance of 5500/5600K) because they read that much cooler.

It shouldn't be as warm as the 3D version, which looks unnatural, and shouldn't be as cool as the 2D blu. Again, somewhere in the middle would be "correct."

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

And again, movies aren't real life, so whatever it looks like in reality doesn't mean that's how it should look in a film.

I wish we could get this pinned as a giant banner across the top of the site.