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Old 12-17-2009, 03:30 AM   #121
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I decided to start an actual review thread that can contain spoilers, since those that simply want to continue non-spoiler discussion about all aspects of the movie (soundtrack, posting interviews, news etc) but haven't seen it can talk in the discussion thread.

A poll has been added and selections are made public, since it would nice if people could spend a moment or two posting their thoughts associated with their grade. Please only vote if you have seen the movie -- do not simply give it an "F" if you are disgusted by the hype or have no interest in it (and on the flipside, an "A" simply because you think it will be great). I'll be looking forward to hearing everyone's thoughts!





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Old 12-17-2009, 03:35 AM   #122
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Thanks Sussudio.

I was hoping that we would have this thread. Now I just hope to be able to contribute to it as soon as possible.
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Old 12-17-2009, 11:25 AM   #123
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Well, I've seen it twice (in 3-D) already, and I can't wait to see it again.



Let me just repeat the two things that jumped out at me on second viewing:

--This is the most perfect amalgam of hard sci-fi and high fantasy yet achieved. Using hard (speculative) science, Cameron has grounded his flights of fancy in a way that actually surpasses our beloved Star Wars science.

--It's all about the proxies: not only the human/Na'vi hybrid avatars, but also the Na'vi/Pandoran wildlife hookups, human/AMP Suit hookups, Earth/Pandora hookups, and the interconnectedness of all Pandoran life. It's astonishing how well Cameron has imbued the entire film with this one theme.

Again, this is supposed to be archetypal epic storytelling, not a drama full of twists (although there are quite enough narrative turns), and I feel that the most important thing about it is that it clearly achieves everything it has set out to do.

Most awesomely.
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Old 12-17-2009, 12:44 PM   #124
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For my money Avatar, completely destroys recent years big budget sci-fi with the possible exception of this years District 9 (great, original storyline) and Star Trek (great characters, effective reboot/prequel).

For a sci-fi fan as big as myself, the return of Cameron to the genre is the best thing that could happen in the movie business since the LOTR trilogy.

Zoe Saldana and Stephen Lang are imo the standouts here. Neytiri is so alive and you can easily relate to her as a character. Lang owns some of the movies coolest moments hands down.

[Show spoiler]When he just knocks open a door in the control room to the outside, trying to stop Trudys Samson from taking off, we nearly fell down from our chairs. Same when he realizes Sullys betrayal and yanks the group out of their sleep. No mercy.

Some of the other characters are not as fleshed out as I would like to (Selfridge, Grace, Norm, Trudy) and I would like to have seen more character driven scenes in the film. But that must indicate that what we do see from them in the film, is enough to awaken our interest in seeing more, which must be a good thing.


Visually jaw dropping - comparing it with Star Wars and Lord Of The Rings almost doesn't do it justice. The cgi rendered shots of Pandora are absolutely incredible - the best I have ever seen.

I would rate it a 9/10 with the possibility of the directors cut Blu-ray improving on the small things missing from the film as it is now.

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Old 12-17-2009, 12:56 PM   #125
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don't forget to
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Sussudio, you should turn this into a poll of 1-5 stars for the rating
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Old 12-17-2009, 02:43 PM   #126
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But the thread title promises spoilers already - you wouldn't even come in here if you hadn't seen it
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Old 12-17-2009, 03:05 PM   #127
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A buddy and I were walking down Hollywood Boulevard last night. As we strolled past Grauman's Chinese Theatre there was a movie premiere, and sure enough, when we saw the "blue" carpet it was for Avatar. They actually shut down the entire street and it was crazy busy. We saw glimpses of Sam Worthington and Sigourney Weaver. Sadly, no Zoe Zaldana or Cameron.

My buddy, who works at Fox, saw a screening yesterday and said it was awesome. He definitely says the comparison to Star Wars is valid. He said even thought the storyline was a familiar "Dances with Wolves"/Pocahontas hybrid, Mr. Cameron made it seem fresh and new. After all, Cameron's other films have used familiar tropes of storytelling. The Terminator is a retelling of the "War against the Machines" genre. And Aliens is an "allegory of Vietnam" set in outerspace.

For me, I am seeing it tomorrow morning. I took the whole day off and it's my early Christmas gift.
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Old 12-17-2009, 03:10 PM   #128
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I'm watching this in T-MINUS 3 Hours, You should put up a poll
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Old 12-17-2009, 03:28 PM   #129
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So I went to see Avatar last night and wow!!! It is visually the best movie I've ever seen. It is an epic story as said by Seretur and not a plot twist kind of movie and it is executed perfectly. Once again Cameron proves to be in top of the class. This movie is a breakthrough in technical aspects and as said by a friend of mine "It is our 2001: Space Odyssey". The acting was incredible, the CGI was the best we've seen so far. I'm going to see it again today.
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Old 12-17-2009, 03:48 PM   #130
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Old 12-17-2009, 04:06 PM   #131
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I gave it an A. The sotry was pretty good but nothing too revolutionary. However, the entire look of the film made it feel like sometihng I've never seen before.

The thought and the detail that Cameron put into the visuals and the environment were absolutely stunning (even minor things like the bugs that spun like glowing helicopters put a smile on my face). Everything was photo-realistic and the 3D effect was used superbly - didn't dominate or show off but created a subtle but still strong sense of depth.

Great acting by all characters, even the ones playing the Na'vi (you could really feel the character performance through the CGI to the point where they almost didn't feel like animated characters). However, must give extra credit to Stephan Lang. That was a superb bit of casting and he was perfect in the role.

I didn't really take in the audio as much - while there didn't seem to be anything out of place I was too captivated by the visuals to really pay attention to the score.

Brillaint peace of filmmaking which I can't recommend enough - provided you see it in 3D!
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Old 12-17-2009, 04:14 PM   #132
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Can't wait to see this on Monday...IMAX 3D....

Keep the reviews coming fellaz...
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Old 12-17-2009, 06:45 PM   #133
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To all those that have seen Avatar in 3D... Is it really that impressive?
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Old 12-17-2009, 07:11 PM   #134
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Does anyone know how to change a vote I clicked B but I scrolled down and it went to F instead?
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Old 12-17-2009, 07:16 PM   #135
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I have just come back from seeing Avatar in Imax 3-D.
It took like 40min. to somewhat get used to those glasses and the visuals on the screen.

Visually speaking: This movie is an absolute breakthrough, and entirely believable. The visuals are incredibly rich and organic. You are fully immersed into this world. It even surpasses Star Wars, ah, not really.
The quality of the visual effects do, but that's only natural, because it is brand new and J. C. is a perfectionist.

The flora and fauna of Pandora are just mind-blowing!

This is pure eye candy, and I can't wait to see it on BD in 2D!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, I really don't like 3-D. It's just gimmicky! If u prefer it, good for u.

I am definitely going to see it again in the cinema, but in 2D.

Now to the story: I love the message: We need to unite with the environment we live in, because we are one vast organism.
Nothing new there.

It's just that the characters are completely 1D.
Ther Na'Vis are super duper good and the people are super duper bad, for the most part. There is no inner turmoil. There are no surprises.
It's a visual feast for the eyes, and what a feast it is, but not more.

A must see for sure! Go see it now!

Ah, the end credit song is so utterly aweful that it almost ruined the entire movie for me. (I am a musician, u know?)
Please don't use this song on the BD Mr. Cameron, please!!! It's so horrible that I'm going to bring ear plugs to the next screening!

After all: Star Wars still rules the galaxy, and it always will!

May the force be with you!

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I decided to start an actual review thread that can contain spoilers, since those that simply want to continue non-spoiler discussion about all aspects of the movie (soundtrack, posting interviews, news etc) but haven't seen it can talk in the discussion thread.

A poll has been added and selections are made public, since it would nice if people could spend a moment or two posting their thoughts associated with their grade. Please only vote if you have seen the movie -- do not simply give it an "F" if you are disgusted by the hype or have no interest in it (and on the flipside, an "A" simply because you think it will be great). I'll be looking forward to hearing everyone's thoughts!




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[Show spoiler]Watching "Avatar," I felt sort of the same as when I saw "Star Wars" in 1977. That was another movie I walked into with uncertain expectations. James Cameron's film has been the subject of relentlessly dubious advance buzz, just as his "Titanic" was. Once again, he has silenced the doubters by simply delivering an extraordinary film. There is still at least one man in Hollywood who knows how to spend $250 million, or was it $300 million, wisely.

"Avatar" is not simply a sensational entertainment, although it is that. It's a technical breakthrough. It has a flat-out Green and anti-war message. It is predestined to launch a cult. It contains such visual detailing that it would reward repeating viewings. It invents a new language, Na'vi, as "Lord of the Rings" did, although mercifully I doubt this one can be spoken by humans, even teenage humans. It creates new movie stars. It is an Event, one of those films you feel you must see to keep up with the conversation.

The story, set in the year 2154, involves a mission by U. S. Armed Forces to an earth-sized moon in orbit around a massive star. This new world, Pandora, is a rich source of a mineral Earth desperately needs. Pandora represents not even a remote threat to Earth, but we nevertheless send in the military to attack and conquer them. Gung-ho Marines employ machine guns and pilot armored hover ships on bombing runs. You are free to find this an allegory about contemporary politics. Cameron obviously does.

Pandora harbors a planetary forest inhabited peacefully by the Na'vi, a blue-skinned, golden-eyed race of slender giants, each one perhaps 12 feet tall. The atmosphere is not breathable by humans, and the landscape makes us pygmies. To venture out of our landing craft, we use avatars--Na'vi lookalikes grown organically and mind-controlled by humans who remain wired up in a trance-like state on the ship. While acting as avatars, they see, fear, taste and feel like Na'vi, and have all the same physical adeptness.

This last quality is liberating for the hero, Jake Sully (Sam Worthington), who is a paraplegic. He's been recruited because he's a genetic match for a dead identical twin, who an expensive avatar was created for. In avatar state he can walk again, and as his payment for this duty he will be given a very expensive operation to restore movement to his legs. In theory he's in no danger, because if his avatar in destroyed, his human form remains untouched. In theory.

On Pandora, Jake begins as a good soldier and then goes native after his life is saved by the lithe and brave Neytiri (Zoe Saldana). He finds it is indeed true, as the aggressive Col. Miles Quaritch (Stephen Lang) briefed them, that nearly every species of life here wants him for lunch. (Avatars are not be made of Na'vi flesh, but try explaining that to charging 30-ton rhino with a snout like a bullet head shark).

The Na'vi survive on this planet by knowing it well, living in harmony with nature, and being wise about the creatures they share with. In this and countless other ways they resemble Native Americans. Like them, they tame another species to carry them around--not horses, but graceful flying dragon-like creatures. The scene involving Jake capturing and taming one of these great beasts is one of the film's greats sequences.

Like "Star Wars" and "LOTR," "Avatar" employs a new generation of special effects. Cameron said it would, and many doubted him. It does. Pandora is bevy largely CGI. The Na'vi are embodied through motion capture techniques, convincingly. They look like specific, persuasive individuals, yet sidestep the eerie Uncanny Valley effect. And Cameron and his artists succeed at the difficult challenge of making Neytiri a blue-skinned giantess with golden eyes and a long, supple tail, and yet--I'll be damned. Sexy.

At 163 minutes, the film doesn't feel too long. It contains so much. The human stories. The Na'vi stories, for the Na'vi are also developed as individuals. The complexity of the planet, which harbors a global secret. The ultimate warfare, with Jake joining the resistance against his former comrades. Small graceful details like a floating creature that looks like a cross between a blowing dandelion seed and a drifting jellyfish, and embodies goodness. Or astonishing floating cloud-islands.

I've complained that many recent films abandon story telling in their third acts and go for wall-to-wall action. Cameron essentially does that here, but has invested well in establishing his characters so that it matters what they do in battle and how they do it. There are issues at stake greater than simply which side wins.

Cameron promised he'd unveil the next generation of 3-D in "Avatar." I'm a notorious skeptic about this process, a needless distraction from the perfect realism of movies in 2-D. Cameron's iteration is the best I've seen -- and more importantly, one of the most carefully-employed. The film never uses 3-D simply because it has it, and doesn't promiscuously violate the fourth wall. He also seems quite aware of 3-D's weakness for dimming the picture, and even with a film set largely in interiors and a rain forest, there's sufficient light. I saw the film in 3-D on a good screen at the AMC River East and was impressed. I might be awesome in True IMAX. Good luck in getting a ticket before February.

It takes a hell of a lot of nerve for a man to stand up at the Oscarcast and proclaim himself King of the World. James Cameron just got re-elected. Watching "Avatar," I felt sort of the same as when I saw "Star Wars" in 1977. That was another movie I walked into with uncertain expectations. James Cameron's film has been the subject of relentlessly dubious advance buzz, just as his "Titanic" was. Once again, he has silenced the doubters by simply delivering an extraordinary film. There is still at least one man in Hollywood who knows how to spend $250 million, or was it $300 million, wisely.

"Avatar" is not simply a sensational entertainment, although it is that. It's a technical breakthrough. It has a flat-out Green and anti-war message. It is predestined to launch a cult. It contains such visual detailing that it would reward repeating viewings. It invents a new language, Na'vi, as "Lord of the Rings" did, although mercifully I doubt this one can be spoken by humans, even teenage humans. It creates new movie stars. It is an Event, one of those films you feel you must see to keep up with the conversation.

The story, set in the year 2154, involves a mission by U. S. Armed Forces to an earth-sized moon in orbit around a massive star. This new world, Pandora, is a rich source of a mineral Earth desperately needs. Pandora represents not even a remote threat to Earth, but we nevertheless send in the military to attack and conquer them. Gung-ho Marines employ machine guns and pilot armored hover ships on bombing runs. You are free to find this an allegory about contemporary politics. Cameron obviously does.

Pandora harbors a planetary forest inhabited peacefully by the Na'vi, a blue-skinned, golden-eyed race of slender giants, each one perhaps 12 feet tall. The atmosphere is not breathable by humans, and the landscape makes us pygmies. To venture out of our landing craft, we use avatars--Na'vi lookalikes grown organically and mind-controlled by humans who remain wired up in a trance-like state on the ship. While acting as avatars, they see, fear, taste and feel like Na'vi, and have all the same physical adeptness.

This last quality is liberating for the hero, Jake Sully (Sam Worthington), who is a paraplegic. He's been recruited because he's a genetic match for a dead identical twin, who an expensive avatar was created for. In avatar state he can walk again, and as his payment for this duty he will be given a very expensive operation to restore movement to his legs. In theory he's in no danger, because if his avatar in destroyed, his human form remains untouched. In theory.

On Pandora, Jake begins as a good soldier and then goes native after his life is saved by the lithe and brave Neytiri (Zoe Saldana). He finds it is indeed true, as the aggressive Col. Miles Quaritch (Stephen Lang) briefed them, that nearly every species of life here wants him for lunch. (Avatars are not be made of Na'vi flesh, but try explaining that to charging 30-ton rhino with a snout like a bullet head shark).

The Na'vi survive on this planet by knowing it well, living in harmony with nature, and being wise about the creatures they share with. In this and countless other ways they resemble Native Americans. Like them, they tame another species to carry them around--not horses, but graceful flying dragon-like creatures. The scene involving Jake capturing and taming one of these great beasts is one of the film's greats sequences.

Like "Star Wars" and "LOTR," "Avatar" employs a new generation of special effects. Cameron said it would, and many doubted him. It does. Pandora is bevy largely CGI. The Na'vi are embodied through motion capture techniques, convincingly. They look like specific, persuasive individuals, yet sidestep the eerie Uncanny Valley effect. And Cameron and his artists succeed at the difficult challenge of making Neytiri a blue-skinned giantess with golden eyes and a long, supple tail, and yet--I'll be damned. Sexy.

At 163 minutes, the film doesn't feel too long. It contains so much. The human stories. The Na'vi stories, for the Na'vi are also developed as individuals. The complexity of the planet, which harbors a global secret. The ultimate warfare, with Jake joining the resistance against his former comrades. Small graceful details like a floating creature that looks like a cross between a blowing dandelion seed and a drifting jellyfish, and embodies goodness. Or astonishing floating cloud-islands.

I've complained that many recent films abandon story telling in their third acts and go for wall-to-wall action. Cameron essentially does that here, but has invested well in establishing his characters so that it matters what they do in battle and how they do it. There are issues at stake greater than simply which side wins.

Cameron promised he'd unveil the next generation of 3-D in "Avatar." I'm a notorious skeptic about this process, a needless distraction from the perfect realism of movies in 2-D. Cameron's iteration is the best I've seen -- and more importantly, one of the most carefully-employed. The film never uses 3-D simply because it has it, and doesn't promiscuously violate the fourth wall. He also seems quite aware of 3-D's weakness for dimming the picture, and even with a film set largely in interiors and a rain forest, there's sufficient light. I saw the film in 3-D on a good screen at the AMC River East and was impressed. I might be awesome in True IMAX. Good luck in getting a ticket before February.

It takes a hell of a lot of nerve for a man to stand up at the Oscarcast and proclaim himself King of the World. James Cameron just got re-elected.
Source - Chicago Sun News Blog
All I can say is WOW and now I HAVE to see this.

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Old 12-17-2009, 09:18 PM   #138
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Just got back. While I am still a little undecided on the movie, the graphics and 3-D effect were pretty solid. Best I have seen.

My synopsis would be "dances with wolves" set on a planet with aliens.
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This film is sci fi PERFECTION
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To all those that have seen Avatar in 3D... Is it really that impressive?
it is indeed

The theatre i went in, started the movie (previous show got delayed) before everybody could find the seats and settle down,
and we could make out when a new patron put on glasses.

coz as soon as you put on glasses, there was a loud audible ooh aah ,awesome,cool etc

Man, this is not some poke in your face kind of gimmicky 3D.
It is like scene playing out in front of your seat in real space.

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