The Hobbit Trilogy Discussion Thread

[radagast]

Originally Posted by teracore

Guys who is more powerful? Morgoth or Sauron?

Sauron was Morgoth’s servant. I would have to say Morgoth was more powerful.

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

The first film I think will be about the journey to Misty Mountain and then the second film will be everything that happens after that. Would be nice if both films did well and they made parts of the Silmarillion into movies.

I have read that the rights to the filmmakers extends only to material in LOTR or the Hobbit. And that Christopher Tolkien is adamant about not signing away any more rights to the movie industry. He was dead set against New Line filming LOTR.

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

There is a possibility of having Nazgul in this movie. As for Wizards, if the White Council is depicted (as I think it will be), this will provide the opportunity to show at least three of them together - Gandalf, Sauruman, and Radagast. If Del Toro wants to use artistic license, he could have the two blue Wizards present, thus the extremely rare occurrence of showing all five Wizards. That alone would be worth the price of the ticket!

I don’t remember being… I mean I don’t remember Radagast being on the White Council

Originally Posted by Mahatma

Didn't think of him since he's not in the book.But I guess Ian McKellen is playing gandalf again,so any role for FreemanThink he's one of my favourite actors of all time.Think H ewould lend class to Gandalf

Gandalf did mention me, I mean he mentioned Radagast to Beorn.

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

All 5 are the same actualy. I would not call him lesser

That is not how I read Tolkien’s writings. Each wizard had different “talents”. My talent, I mean Radagast’s was that he was a “master of shapes and hues”. And he was also close to animals and birds.

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

A cameo by Radagast would be logical. Radagast with a Georgia accent (Morgan Freeman) might be a little odd, but it could work.

I don't think the blue wizards ever showed up to the White council. After arriving in Middle Earth, they headed east either to "go into business for themselves" like Saruman, or just to take on a different task that didn't involve Sauron, or both. For whatever reason, Alatar and Pallando are never heard from.

According to Tolkein’s writings (I think “Unfinished Tales” states this), the Blue Wizards went into the east as soon as they came to Middle Earth “and so do not appear in these tales”. One account has Saruman going into the east with them and coming back alone.

Originally Posted by Goldengirl

that Radagast was a moth.

I beg your pardon.

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

I don't know, the Witchking of Angmar kicked his butt pretty easily.

That was only in the EE movie version of ROTK. That is one place that I really think PJ blew it. In the books, Gandalf takes on several Nazgul on Weathertop, and again later when rescuing Faramir. Gandalf was a maiar. The Witch-King was a human. And remember it was Gandalf the White that confronted him. If it hadn’t been for the Witch-king riding off to fight the Riders of Rohan, and Gandalf leaving to save Faramir from his insane father, Gandalf the White would have stomped Angmar boy.

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

That will be a negative aspect of The Hobbit compared to LoTR: no female main characters.

They could always PC the crap out of it like they did by sticking Arwen in LOTR so much.

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

He is alive and a forum member.

And here I am.

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

They might add a female to the White Council, maybe make Radagast into a woman. That wouldn't really bother anyone except Tolkien purists.

…and me.

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Well, I don't know if I'd say that...

In the books, Galadriel was the most powerful Elf in Middle earth, right? She was older than Elrond and Arwen is Elrond's daughter.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by radagast

And here I am.

The greatest post ever!

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by radagast

In the books, Galadriel was the most powerful Elf in Middle earth, right? She was older than Elrond and Arwen is Elrond's daughter.

She is the most powerful of the Elves in Middle-earth at the time of LoTR, being the last surviving (Noldor exile) grandchild of Finwe, and were the Elves to unite, she would undoubtedly be their leader. She is Elrond's mother-in-law, and therefore Arwen's grandma.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

She is the most powerful of the Elves in Middle-earth at the time of LoTR, being the last surviving (Noldor exile) grandchild of Finwe, and were the Elves to unite, she would undoubtedly be their leader. She is Elrond's mother-in-law, and therefore Arwen's grandma.

I always thought Lord Elrond was more powerful than Lady Galadriel, guess not. Oh right and what's up with Legolas' archery skills? He fires off arrows like he has a machine gun and his quiver never seems to be empty.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by radagast

I don’t remember being… I mean I don’t remember Radagast being on the White Council

Not specifically mentioned, but not out of the question. I would have a hard time believing he wouldn't have attended at least some of the White Councils, especially the one in question, since his residence is nearby.

[Batman1980]

Honestly and I'm probably remembering wrong, Radagast never struck me as an important or powerful character but rather more of a messenger boy.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

I always thought Lord Elrond was more powerful than Lady Galadriel

Galadriel would be more powerful since she lived in the presence and light of the two trees of Valinor.

Oh right and what's up with Legolas' archery skills? He fires off arrows like he has a machine gun and his quiver never seems to be empty.

Elves are notoriously good archers and Legolas is just freakin' awesome.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by radagast

Sauron was Morgoth’s servant. I would have to say Morgoth was more powerful.

I have always felt Sauron was more powerful, as he was more cunning about his means. He didn't want to simply overpower everything by sheer force or power to become the Dark Lord. His cunning relied more on actually persuasion and influence over another's mind and will, whereas he makes it appear that everyone acts with their own will, when in fact, it is really Sauron who controls them and they are secretly doing his bidding. I always felt this took more skill than what Morgoth had.

[P@t_Mtl]

Elrond, is he not half elve?

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Galadriel would be more powerful since she lived in the presence and light of the two trees of Valinor.



Elves are notoriously good archers and Legolas is just freakin' awesome.

Didn't they both have one of the 3 rings given to the Elves? Which Elf did the other ring go to?

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Honestly and I'm probably remembering wrong, Radagast never struck me as an important or powerful character but rather more of a messenger boy.

Saruman ("Aruman" to Bakshi fans ) was interested in power and control, Gandalf was most interested in the welfare of the inhabitants of Middle-earth (and therefore most true to his mission), and Radagast pretty much kept to himself, though he probably had his moments. The two Blue Wizards disappeared out the picture early.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Didn't they both have one of the 3 rings given to the Elves? Which Elf did the other ring go to?

Gilgalad originally possessed Elrond's ring, but gave it to him when he died. Cirdan gave his ring to Gandalf upon his arrival in Middle-earth.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Gilgalad originally possessed Elrond's ring, but gave it to him when he died. Cirdan gave his ring to Gandalf upon his arrival in Middle-earth.

Odd, never heard of Mithrandir using it or even mentioning it. Bit off-topic, trying to get my username changed to Gandalf Stormcrow.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by radagast

Sauron was Morgoth’s servant. I would have to say Morgoth was more powerful.




I have read that the rights to the filmmakers extends only to material in LOTR or the Hobbit. And that Christopher Tolkien is adamant about not signing away any more rights to the movie industry. He was dead set against New Line filming LOTR.



I don’t remember being… I mean I don’t remember Radagast being on the White Council



Gandalf did mention me, I mean he mentioned Radagast to Beorn.



That is not how I read Tolkien’s writings. Each wizard had different “talents”. My talent, I mean Radagast’s was that he was a “master of shapes and hues”. And he was also close to animals and birds.



According to Tolkein’s writings (I think “Unfinished Tales” states this), the Blue Wizards went into the east as soon as they came to Middle Earth “and so do not appear in these tales”. One account has Saruman going into the east with them and coming back alone.



I beg your pardon.





That was only in the EE movie version of ROTK. That is one place that I really think PJ blew it. In the books, Gandalf takes on several Nazgul on Weathertop, and again later when rescuing Faramir. Gandalf was a maiar. The Witch-King was a human. And remember it was Gandalf the White that confronted him. If it hadn’t been for the Witch-king riding off to fight the Riders of Rohan, and Gandalf leaving to save Faramir from his insane father, Gandalf the White would have stomped Angmar boy.



They could always PC the crap out of it like they did by sticking Arwen in LOTR so much.



And here I am.



…and me.



In the books, Galadriel was the most powerful Elf in Middle earth, right? She was older than Elrond and Arwen is Elrond's daughter.

Silly Radagast... you are just too

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by radagast

Sauron was Morgoth’s servant. I would have to say Morgoth was more powerful.

Definitely. Morgoth was Tolkien's equivalent of Satan.

That was only in the EE movie version of ROTK. That is one place that I really think PJ blew it. In the books, Gandalf takes on several Nazgul on Weathertop, and again later when rescuing Faramir. Gandalf was a maiar. The Witch-King was a human. And remember it was Gandalf the White that confronted him. If it hadn’t been for the Witch-king riding off to fight the Riders of Rohan, and Gandalf leaving to save Faramir from his insane father, Gandalf the White would have stomped Angmar boy.

Gandalf vs. Witch-king would have been an interesting match. Although Gandalf was inherently more powerful from a stand-alone perspective, Witch-king was sucking power off of his ring (one of the nine) and probably some power from the One Ring. Gandalf possessed an Elven ring (Narya) and would have triumphed over Witch-King, IMO. The only being in Middle-earth that could probably have beaten Gandalf was Sauron ("I am Gandalf, Gandalf the White, but Black is mightier still").

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Definitely. Morgoth was Tolkien's equivalent of Satan.




Gandalf vs. Witch-king would have been an interesting match. Although Gandalf was inherently more powerful from a stand-alone perspective, Witch-king was sucking power off of his ring (one of the nine) and probably some power from the One Ring. Gandalf possessed an Elven ring (Narya) and would have triumphed over Witch-King, IMO. The only being in Middle-earth that could probably have beaten Gandalf was Sauron ("I am Gandalf, Gandalf the White, but Black is mightier still").

The Witch-King of Angmar, so tough a little Hobbit and a woman put an end to him. He sure owned the crap out of Theoden though.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Odd, never heard of Mithrandir using it or even mentioning it.

I believe there is a little quip about it in LoTR Appendix B.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

The Witch-King of Angmar, so tough a little Hobbit and a woman put an end to him. He sure owned the crap out of Theoden though.

He caused alot more trouble than that for the Dunedain of Arnor in the days when he occupied Angmar. He pretty much laid the Northern Kingdom to waste. The Barrow-wight that you read about in LoTR (trapped Frodo and company) is probably one of the Witch King's buddies from that time period.

[Batman1980]

One has to wonder why Mithrandir didn't end him then, or Saruman when he was a good guy, for that matter. Sounds like the PERFECT servant of the Necromancer.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

One has to wonder why Mithrandir didn't end him then, or Saruman when he was a good guy, for that matter. Sounds like the PERFECT servant of the Necromancer.

There was a possibility of defeating him when King Earnur and Elves from Rivendell destroyed his army, but Glorfindel had Earnur let him go. He did well for "the Necromancer" except for one thing: getting the Ring.