I fear for 4k Disks...

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

I knew what the French meant.... You didn't have to translate it.

lol, you’re right. Perusing your posting behavior, I should have realized your worldliness quality… https://forum.blu-ray.com/search.php?searchid=25387574

Your savoir-faire is enviable.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

lol, you’re right. Perusing your posting behavior, I should have realized your worldliness quality… https://forum.blu-ray.com/search.php?searchid=25387574

Your savoir-faire is enviable.

I cannot tell if you are being sarcastic or not...

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by vargo

Incorrect, there are degrees of security owing to the number of elements in the playback chain. At a basic level home video content can be pirated in 3 ways:
1) Decrypting/Removing DRM directly from the media
2) Intercepting the display output and encoding it
3) Recording the TV/projector screen with a camcorder

Pirates will take whatever they can get but we know that they prefer something as close to the top of the list as possible for quality reasons.

Netflix is vulnerable to #2 and #3. The DRM used has never been cracked and is 100% secure up to the point it is output to the display. At that point, the HDCP vulnerability (2.1 and below) allows screen capture.

Bluray and iTunes downloads are vulnerable to #1,#2 and #3. Therefore by any definition, they are less secure (than Netflix).

Nothing is 100% secure since any idiot can point a camcorder at a TV or projector screen.

some of what you say is true, other is not but since this is not film pirating 101 I won't delve into it and say anything more. The issue is that you are missing the forest for the trees.

Let me make it simple. If an illegal copy was made from a source it is insane to call the original distribution method secure? DRM stands for digital rights management and someone made an illegal copy of the film and so it did not really do its job and keep the content secure. It would be like someone saying my home is secure but the burglars stole everything because they broke a window instead of coming through the door.

[vargo]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

I have Netflix rips from the day it was released of Star Wars: The Clone Wares: Season 6.

They are ripped by intercepting the display signal using a HDCP stripper and re-encoding it (or software that does essentially the same thing). The DRM itself currently used by Netflix has never been cracked. That is to say nobody has yet been able to directly intercept and decrypt the Netflix media file being played on your computer or other playback device.

The distinction (degrees of security) was pretty much the entire point of my post above.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by vargo

They are ripped by intercepting the display signal using a HDCP stripper and re-encoding it (or software that does essentially the same thing). The DRM itself currently used by Netflix has never been cracked. That is to say nobody has yet been able to directly intercept and decrypt the Netflix media file being played on your computer or other playback device.

The distinction (degrees of security) was pretty much the entire point of my post above.

Ah, sorry. I misunderstood you then.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by vargo

They are ripped by intercepting the display signal using a HDCP stripper and re-encoding it (or software that does essentially the same thing). The DRM itself currently used by Netflix has never been cracked. That is to say nobody has yet been able to directly intercept and decrypt the Netflix media file being played on your computer or other playback device.

like I pointed out before that is wrong. Do a bit more google search

The distinction (degrees of security) was pretty much the entire point of my post above.

and it never made any sense except in your own mind. There is a reason the expression is "A chain is only as strong as its weakest link" and not "A chain is only as strong as its strongest link" or " the link someone decides to focus on". If the content is (easily) pirated how was the source secure (no matter what tools are used to pirate it?). Now if someone wants to push the blame then in that respect it might make a bit of sense (I built links X1,X2, X3 and Z1,Z2,Z3 in the chain I have no control if someone used over cooked spaghetti to make link Y to tie the rest together) but the chain won't be any stronger or weaker because of the excuse.

[sonyfanboy]

Originally Posted by Rblu-Dblu

I would probably only buy new releases in 4k. Don't feel like investing thousands of dollars to replace movies that may not benefit from the upgrade or lack of as some of the companies would do. You know some will push off old masters on a 4k disc.

I agree with you. Im willing to buy all future new releases available on 4K BR if the content is mastered in that resolution. I will even replace my Blu rays like Predator and Terminator 2 if it got a proper 4K remaster on 4K BR.

I will avoid 1080p, 2K, and telecine sourced transfers on the 4K format.

[Gold Ranger]

Considering the talk in the Goodfellas thread, I figure it's time to bump this again!

[tronotized22]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

As we know, 4k media is just around the corner.
My greatest fear for it is that, like a lot of movies nowadays, they aren't being remastered to 2, 4, 6 or even 8k where available.
We are getting a lot of VHS, LaserDisk and DVD ports instead of proper Video Quality.
Also suffering is the Audio side of things. A lot of things are still being released with Lossy Sound. Heck, some movies are getting downgraded sound from previous releases.

In order for 4k to truly take off, DVD needs to be completely gone by the time 4k starts coming out.
Also, EVERY 4k Title must come with a BD and UV code in order to survive.
BD should not be a standalone option either, but 4k should also be relatively inexpensive, both Movie and Player wise.

Why does DVD need to be completely gone? It probably won't be because of the global market, but why can't UHD Blu-Ray and DVD coexist?

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by tronotized22

Why does DVD need to be completely gone? It probably won't be because of the global market, but why can't UHD Blu-Ray and DVD coexist?

Same reason why VHS is now gone.
The Market can't sustain the 4-Way split!
DVD
Blu-Ray
UHD
Streaming

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Same reason why VHS is now gone.
The Market can't sustain the 4-Way split!
DVD
Blu-Ray
UHD
Streaming

Yes it can.

VHS was gone because it was less convenient than DVD, more costly to produce, and because DVD players were not backwards compatible.

DVD is still 68 percent of the disc market...and holding. It was 68 percent last year and it's 68 percent this year. At that rate, when do you think DVD will be gone?

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Yes it can.

VHS was gone because it was less convenient than DVD, more costly to produce, and because DVD players were not backwards compatible.

DVD is still 68 percent of the disc market...and holding. It was 68 percent last year and it's 68 percent this year. At that rate, when do you think DVD will be gone?

Not soon enough!

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

Same reason why VHS is now gone.
The Market can't sustain the 4-Way split!
DVD
Blu-Ray
UHD
Streaming

At the time VHS was discontinued the market was only a 2-Way split (VHS & DVD). There is currently a 3-Way split without issue.

VHS tapes are more expensive to produce than DVDs, so studios wanted to discontinue VHS. Blu-ray discs will never be cheaper to produce than DVDs so there is no reason why the studios will have a strong desire to stop making DVDs.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Yes it can.

VHS was gone because it was less convenient than DVD, more costly to produce, and because DVD players were not backwards compatible.

DVD is still 68 percent of the disc market...and holding. It was 68 percent last year and it's 68 percent this year. At that rate, when do you think DVD will be gone?

Not directed at me but I would say 9 years.

[Coenskubrick]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Not directed at me but I would say 9 years.

I reckon they might make their 30th anniversary. Maybe. Hopefully not that long. I'd like to see Blu ray become the standard.

[I KEEL YOU]

There seems to be way too little buzz around 4K discs among the general population. There is plenty of talk about 4K technology, but the UHD disc aspect of it doesn't seem to get any hype. Sure the release is still around half of a year away, but I remember more hype around HDDVD before it was released than now.

I don't think I've come across a single article that is dedicated enitrely to UHD discs on new sites' tech section or on sites like IGN. But I've seen plenty "should you buy a 4K TV" articles. I've seen some UHD disc articles posted on this forum of course, but I never stumbled upon any just casually browsing. Maybe I was just unlucky.

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by I KEEL YOU

There seems to be way too little buzz around 4K discs among the general population. There is plenty of talk about 4K technology, but the UHD disc aspect of it doesn't seem to get any hype. Sure the release is still around half of a year away, but I remember more hype around HDDVD before it was released than now.

I don't think I've come across a single article that is dedicated enitrely to UHD discs on new sites' tech section or on sites like IGN. But I've seen plenty "should you buy a 4K TV" articles. I've seen some UHD disc articles posted on this forum of course, but I never stumbled upon any just casually browsing. Maybe I was just unlucky.

I haven't seen any either.
I think one reason is because we don't have any 4k releases lined up yet.

[batman2000]

Originally Posted by HD Goofnut

I've been saying this for a few years. The only titles that are going to benefit from a 4K format are the ones that have had their digital intermediary completed at 4K or higher. Then there's the issue of visual effects as most are completed at 2K.

I also wanted to say that there's no need for 6K at all. It works like this:

2K = 1920 x 1080 (BD)
4k = 3840 x 2160 (4K BD) - This is four times the number of pixels as 2K. This is equivalent to 35mm, which is what most films are shot in.
8K = 7680 x 4320 - This is sixteen times the number of pixels as 2K. This is equivalent to 65/70mm films.

what's the equivalent to current films then?

[Gold Ranger]

Originally Posted by batman2000

what's the equivalent to current films then?

2k / 1080p

[batman2000]

Originally Posted by Gold Ranger

2k / 1080p

so 4k and 8k are overkill for digital movies than i thought something higher than 8k would be the equivalent for digital movies.